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Fw: Claude
Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:00:56 -0500

>>>>>>Probably the first "natural" seducer I met was "Claude."  Claude lived
>>>>>>(probably still lives) a life out of a porno movie.  While my
>>>>>>with him ultimately turned bad, I think more good for me came out of
>>>>>>overall than anything else.  I credit Claude with waking me up, making
>>>>>>lose my naivete at a crucial time in my life.  I met him at a
>>>>>>joint where cars park all around the big circular structure and either
>>>>>>and stand in line waiting to be served or waitresses on roller blades
>>>>>>is way before in-line skating) would come to your car and serve you.
>>>>>>was dynamic, original, funny, etc.  Being with him and just watching
>>>>>>television was like being at a party.  He was always joking around,
>>>>>>you to do things and coming up with stuff to do.  But he is a
>>>>>>He is one of the only two people I have met in my life who literally
>>>>>>from minute to minute.  Both of these people don't keep food in their
>>>>>>fridges; Claude would go to a supermarket pretty much for every meal
>>>>>>restaurant or whatever; but there was no long term planning in his
>>>>>>He lived off what he could make scamming or off women (he had at least
>>>>>>woman I knew of -- the separated wife of a guy he knew socially -- who
>>>>>>would go over to her house -- actually the guy's house that he would
>>>>>>the divorce -- and do the wife; while there wasn't a direct charge for
>>>>>>services, she would ask him if he needed money and he would always get
>>>>>>$100, etc. from her -- actually the guy's money too.  This was a lot
>>>>>>money 20 years ago).  One of the things that (I felt) appealed to
>>>>>>that when he approached them he was more interested in what he could
>>>>>>of them materially rather than sexually, and I was sure that they
>>>>>>on this fact and that made him different from other guys.  Not that
>>>>>>picked up on his wanting to get something from them, but that he was
>>>>>>primarily motivated by sex.  He was a sexual maniac; once he picked up
>>>>>>super hot babe, took her to his place, and in the space of two hours
>>>>>>times with her.  He says he was starting number 13 when I rang the
>>>>>>While I found this hard to believe, I did become friendly with his
>>>>>>serious girlfriend at the time and she told me he was amazing, how he
>>>>>>got tired.
>>>>>>Claude's sense of humour was one of his biggest assets in getting
>>>>>>was totally confident of his abilities also.  I once asked him if he
>>>>>>that he could always go home with someone when he went to a bar and he
>>>>>>me that he just knew that he could.  I have seen him do and get away
>>>>>>things that I never would have believed if someone would tell me.  He
>>>>>>big charge out of getting away with things; he couldn't believe that
>>>>>>would let him do the things he would do.  And did he get women.  They
>>>>>>up to him very quickly and he took full advantage.  I didn't know how
>>>>>>some of the things he did even though I was there when they happened.
>>>>>>example, we were driving down the street and there's this very, very
>>>>>>blond walking to her apartment building holding two bags of groceries.
>>>>>>can still hear him leaning out of the passenger side of my car,
>>>>>>"Miiiiiiiiiiiisss, oh Miiiiiiiiisssss!!" and pretending to ask for
>>>>>>directions.  Within the space of about 45 seconds she invited him to
>>>>>>and visit her!  I used to think that he was probably so much better
>>>>>>than I was but I now think that it was his personality.
>>>>>>He was a jekyll and hyde, though.  He could be absolutely ruthless.
>>>>>>these two young ladies one day, picked them up in my car.  Claude,
>>>>>>the two women and another friend of Claude's (male) (so we are three
>>>>>>and two women) and we drove them out to this disco about 45 minutes
>>>>>>where they lived.  Well, Claude tried to see if they wanted to have
>>>>>>(they were interested in him but weren't going to be that easy), if
>>>>>>wanted to go to get something to eat, if they wanted to go get
>>>>>>drink, etc.  Essentially the answer to everything was no.  So Claude
>>>>>>myself and the other guy to lose them in the club and gets us out of
>>>>>>disco (and I am not proud of this to this day) and we leave them
>>>>>>said to me, "Hey, they didn't want to have sex, they didn't want to
>>>>>>drink, so they were completely useless" and he couldn't care less.
>>>>>>time we are walking downtown behind three women.  While they weren't
>>>>>>fat, they could have lost 15-20 pounds each but they were attractive.
>>>>>>are walking behind them and he starts singing "Three Little Pigs"!
>>>>>>What was absolutely amazing was they turned around and started to try
>>>>>>tell him off, but it was clear that they were so turned on that they
>>>>>>barely tell him anything!  I used to watch these episodes in
>>>>>>Another time we went to a gym.  He stands, arms folded, legs crossed
>>>>>>leaning against the wall near the exit to the ladies changing room.
>>>>>>really cute girl comes out and he stares right at her crotch as she
>>>>>>out.  Instead of getting upset, she's beaming!
>>>>>>We went to California together.  We hook up with Johnny, a really
>>>>>>friend of his from Montreal who is living with this very good looking
>>>>>>lady who apparently was supporting him.  She in turn was being
>>>>>>three "boyfriends", older guys who gave her cars, money, jewellry,
>>>>>>her attentions and affections.  She lived in this gorgeous apartment
>>>>>>Redondo Beach with a picture window overlooking the ocean.  A few
>>>>>>after we arrived, we are out with Johnny and her and Johnny and her
>>>>>>a fight.  Well, I still don't know why she said this, but she goes,
>>>>>>I'm leaving!", turns to Claude and says "what about you?"  He turns to
>>>>>>Johnny and says, "Sorry, man, I'm going with her!"  Here she hasn't
>>>>>>to him probably yet for ten minutes and she threw out the guy she was
>>>>>>with for him.  As I was staying in L.A. I stayed in the apartment with
>>>>>>Claude and her a couple of times, so this is a first hand account.
>>>>>>He had a unique style that just appealed to women's imagination.  I
>>>>>>he called up this really gorgeous girl that we had met probably a year
>>>>>>earlier.  He hadn't called her in all that time.  He gets her on the
>>>>>>and starts telling her that he has this new car and wouldn't she like
>>>>>>driving in it with him, with everyone looking at them because they
>>>>>>both be so good looking together.   She eats it up and is ready and
>>>>>>to see him.
>>>>>>He had interesting techniques in bars.  He was always nonchalant in
>>>>>>if nothing was planned.  I have seen him squeeze between a guy and a
>>>>>>who were talking at the bar in a crowded place apparently to order a
>>>>>>from the bartender.  But then he would turn to face the girl, cutting
>>>>>>the guy and start talking to her!  He used to like doing magic tricks
>>>>>>bars and met tons of women doing card tricks and small coin stunts.  I
>>>>>>seen him take home two women at once more than once, and he once told
>>>>>>that he usually is able to hook up with two women once every month or
>>>>>>(these being new recruits, not repeats).
>>>>>>He could not hold a job for long, although he did do stints in shoe
>>>>>>clothing stores, etc.  When asked what he did, one reply was that he
>>>>>>own business.  "What is that?" he'd be asked.  "None of yours!" was
>>>>>>answer.  Or he would tell them that he was retired.
>>>>>>He would change his wardrobe each season; usually by going into a
>>>>>>store, seducing the woman who worked there and she would tell him when
>>>>>>come back when she was alone watching the store.  She would give him
>>>>>>empty bag, he would take what he liked into the changing room and
>>>>>>a full bag.
>>>>>>I used to hear or see some of this stuff (I made it clear to him that
>>>>>>didn't like that, that he was smarter than that and that I wanted
>>>>>>do with this type of behaviour so usually he didn't do this in front
>>>>>>and think he wouldn't do it to me.  Famous last words, as he ended up
>>>>>>stealing from me and that's how we stopped being friends.
>>>>>>When he pulled that stunt on me, I pretty much fell into a depression
>>>>>>about a year but came out of it stronger and much wiser for the
>>>>>>I saw after that he had a pattern of latching onto guys who were not
>>>>>>socially adept as he was who had things he wanted or could use and he
>>>>>>kept doing what he was doing.
>>>>>>Last I heard he was in Boca Raton, married to some woman and
>>>>>>waiting for the two year waiting period to be over so he could get his
>>>>>>I know that there is a lot that I had seen and learned from him, and
>>>>>>can remember more that is worth mentioning I will write about.
>>>>>>As always, your comments are appreciated.
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