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Fw: Claude
Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:00:56 -0500
>>>>>>Probably the first "natural" seducer I met was "Claude." Claude lived
>>>>>>(probably still lives) a life out of a porno movie. While my
>experience
>>>>>>with him ultimately turned bad, I think more good for me came out of
it
>>>>>>overall than anything else. I credit Claude with waking me up, making
>>me
>>>>>>lose my naivete at a crucial time in my life. I met him at a
hamburger
>>>>>>joint where cars park all around the big circular structure and either
>>go
>>>>>>and stand in line waiting to be served or waitresses on roller blades
>>>>(this
>>>>>>is way before in-line skating) would come to your car and serve you.
>>>>>Claude
>>>>>>was dynamic, original, funny, etc. Being with him and just watching
>>>>>>television was like being at a party. He was always joking around,
>>>>>prodding
>>>>>>you to do things and coming up with stuff to do. But he is a
>>psychopath.
>>>>>>He is one of the only two people I have met in my life who literally
>>live
>>>>>>from minute to minute. Both of these people don't keep food in their
>>>>>>fridges; Claude would go to a supermarket pretty much for every meal
>(or
>>>a
>>>>>>restaurant or whatever; but there was no long term planning in his
>>life).
>>>>>>He lived off what he could make scamming or off women (he had at least
>>>one
>>>>>>woman I knew of -- the separated wife of a guy he knew socially -- who
>>he
>>>>>>would go over to her house -- actually the guy's house that he would
>>lose
>>>>>in
>>>>>>the divorce -- and do the wife; while there wasn't a direct charge for
>>>his
>>>>>>services, she would ask him if he needed money and he would always get
>>>>$60,
>>>>>>$100, etc. from her -- actually the guy's money too. This was a lot
of
>>>>>>money 20 years ago). One of the things that (I felt) appealed to
women
>>>>was
>>>>>>that when he approached them he was more interested in what he could
>get
>>>>>out
>>>>>>of them materially rather than sexually, and I was sure that they
>picked
>>>>up
>>>>>>on this fact and that made him different from other guys. Not that
>they
>>>>>>picked up on his wanting to get something from them, but that he was
>not
>>>>>>primarily motivated by sex. He was a sexual maniac; once he picked up
>>>>this
>>>>>>super hot babe, took her to his place, and in the space of two hours
>>came
>>>>>12
>>>>>>times with her. He says he was starting number 13 when I rang the
>>>>>doorbell.
>>>>>>While I found this hard to believe, I did become friendly with his
most
>>>>>>serious girlfriend at the time and she told me he was amazing, how he
>>>>never
>>>>>>got tired.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Claude's sense of humour was one of his biggest assets in getting
>women.
>>>>>He
>>>>>>was totally confident of his abilities also. I once asked him if he
>>felt
>>>>>>that he could always go home with someone when he went to a bar and he
>>>>told
>>>>>>me that he just knew that he could. I have seen him do and get away
>>with
>>>>>>things that I never would have believed if someone would tell me. He
>>got
>>>>a
>>>>>>big charge out of getting away with things; he couldn't believe that
>>>>people
>>>>>>would let him do the things he would do. And did he get women. They
>>>>>warmed
>>>>>>up to him very quickly and he took full advantage. I didn't know how
>he
>>>>>did
>>>>>>some of the things he did even though I was there when they happened.
>>>For
>>>>>>example, we were driving down the street and there's this very, very
>hot
>>>>>>blond walking to her apartment building holding two bags of groceries.
>>I
>>>>>>can still hear him leaning out of the passenger side of my car,
calling
>>>>her
>>>>>>"Miiiiiiiiiiiisss, oh Miiiiiiiiisssss!!" and pretending to ask for
>>>>>>directions. Within the space of about 45 seconds she invited him to
>>come
>>>>>up
>>>>>>and visit her! I used to think that he was probably so much better
>>>>looking
>>>>>>than I was but I now think that it was his personality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He was a jekyll and hyde, though. He could be absolutely ruthless.
We
>>>>met
>>>>>>these two young ladies one day, picked them up in my car. Claude,
>>>myself,
>>>>>>the two women and another friend of Claude's (male) (so we are three
>>guys
>>>>>>and two women) and we drove them out to this disco about 45 minutes
>from
>>>>>>where they lived. Well, Claude tried to see if they wanted to have
sex
>>>>>>(they were interested in him but weren't going to be that easy), if
>they
>>>>>>wanted to go to get something to eat, if they wanted to go get
>something
>>>>to
>>>>>>drink, etc. Essentially the answer to everything was no. So Claude
>>gets
>>>>>>myself and the other guy to lose them in the club and gets us out of
>the
>>>>>>disco (and I am not proud of this to this day) and we leave them
there.
>>>>He
>>>>>>said to me, "Hey, they didn't want to have sex, they didn't want to
eat
>>>or
>>>>>>drink, so they were completely useless" and he couldn't care less.
>>>>Another
>>>>>>time we are walking downtown behind three women. While they weren't
>>>>really
>>>>>>fat, they could have lost 15-20 pounds each but they were attractive.
>>So
>>>>>we
>>>>>>are walking behind them and he starts singing "Three Little Pigs"!
>>>>>>What was absolutely amazing was they turned around and started to try
>to
>>>>>>tell him off, but it was clear that they were so turned on that they
>>>could
>>>>>>barely tell him anything! I used to watch these episodes in
amazement.
>>>>>>Another time we went to a gym. He stands, arms folded, legs crossed
>and
>>>>>>leaning against the wall near the exit to the ladies changing room.
>>This
>>>>>>really cute girl comes out and he stares right at her crotch as she
>>walks
>>>>>>out. Instead of getting upset, she's beaming!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We went to California together. We hook up with Johnny, a really
>sleazy»
>>>>>>friend of his from Montreal who is living with this very good looking
>>>>young
>>>>>>lady who apparently was supporting him. She in turn was being
>supported
>>>>by
>>>>>>three "boyfriends", older guys who gave her cars, money, jewellry,
etc.
>>>>for
>>>>>>her attentions and affections. She lived in this gorgeous apartment
in
>>>>>>Redondo Beach with a picture window overlooking the ocean. A few
>nights
>>>>>>after we arrived, we are out with Johnny and her and Johnny and her
get
>>>>>into
>>>>>>a fight. Well, I still don't know why she said this, but she goes,
>>>"Well,
>>>>>>I'm leaving!", turns to Claude and says "what about you?" He turns to
>>>>>>Johnny and says, "Sorry, man, I'm going with her!" Here she hasn't
>>>talked
>>>>>>to him probably yet for ten minutes and she threw out the guy she was
>>>>>living
>>>>>>with for him. As I was staying in L.A. I stayed in the apartment with
>>>>>>Claude and her a couple of times, so this is a first hand account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He had a unique style that just appealed to women's imagination. I
>>>>>remember
>>>>>>he called up this really gorgeous girl that we had met probably a year
>>>>>>earlier. He hadn't called her in all that time. He gets her on the
>>>phone
>>>>>>and starts telling her that he has this new car and wouldn't she like
>to
>>>>be
>>>>>>driving in it with him, with everyone looking at them because they
>would
>>>>>>both be so good looking together. She eats it up and is ready and
>>>>willing
>>>>>>to see him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He had interesting techniques in bars. He was always nonchalant in
>>bars,
>>>>>as
>>>>>>if nothing was planned. I have seen him squeeze between a guy and a
>>girl
>>>>>>who were talking at the bar in a crowded place apparently to order a
>>>drink
>>>>>>from the bartender. But then he would turn to face the girl, cutting
>>off
>>>>>>the guy and start talking to her! He used to like doing magic tricks
>in
>>>>>>bars and met tons of women doing card tricks and small coin stunts. I
>>>>have
>>>>>>seen him take home two women at once more than once, and he once told
>me
>>>>>>that he usually is able to hook up with two women once every month or
>>two
>>>>>>(these being new recruits, not repeats).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He could not hold a job for long, although he did do stints in shoe
>>>>stores,
>>>>>>clothing stores, etc. When asked what he did, one reply was that he
>had
>>>>>his
>>>>>>own business. "What is that?" he'd be asked. "None of yours!" was
his
>>>>>>answer. Or he would tell them that he was retired.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He would change his wardrobe each season; usually by going into a
>>>clothing
>>>>>>store, seducing the woman who worked there and she would tell him when
>>to
>>>>>>come back when she was alone watching the store. She would give him
an
>>>>>>empty bag, he would take what he liked into the changing room and
leave
>>>>>with
>>>>>>a full bag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I used to hear or see some of this stuff (I made it clear to him that
I
>>>>>>didn't like that, that he was smarter than that and that I wanted
>>nothing
>>>>>to
>>>>>>do with this type of behaviour so usually he didn't do this in front
of
>>>>me)
>>>>>>and think he wouldn't do it to me. Famous last words, as he ended up
>>>>>>stealing from me and that's how we stopped being friends.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When he pulled that stunt on me, I pretty much fell into a depression
>>for
>>>>>>about a year but came out of it stronger and much wiser for the
>>>>experience.
>>>>>>I saw after that he had a pattern of latching onto guys who were not
as
>>>>>>socially adept as he was who had things he wanted or could use and he
>>>just
>>>>>>kept doing what he was doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Last I heard he was in Boca Raton, married to some woman and
>desperately
>>>>>>waiting for the two year waiting period to be over so he could get his
>>>>>Green
>>>>>>Card.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know that there is a lot that I had seen and learned from him, and
if
>>I
>>>>>>can remember more that is worth mentioning I will write about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As always, your comments are appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clifford
>>>>>>cli***f@cl***.com[ ? ]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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