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Everyone is Watching this Woman
Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:39:44 -0500

Comments:
The mail was fast and furious on the last post and many are watching for
what will happen with that woman I went out with.  Here are some selections:

Eric (commenting on the book suggestion: "Bluff your way into astrology" By
Alexander C. Rae): This book is one of the best books to ever hit the book
stores. I mean where else can you learn how to bluff your way into a
"romance foretold by the stars" in under 100 pages..:) I recommend it to
everyone.

Leon: (Commenting on "she's too intelligent and wise about relationships
which makes her dangerous") Makes her a great person to learn from. You need
to Pump Her for information.

My Comment: If we were able to connect with all women such that they were as
interesting and interested as this one was with me, men would not need to
learn to deal with them.  It was very natural.

Leon: (Commenting on "he got deeply involved and is struggling to get out of
it and I don't want to get into the same situation.")  He Didn't set his
limits at the beginning.

My Comment:  No, but he got into a situation that he does not like to be in
and it is very painful.  This brings up two thoughts:  firstly, no pain, no
gain.  If you aren't prepared to get burned once in awhile, you shouldn't
play with fire.  For anything other than a superficial relationship, you
have to expose yourself to the risks to get the rewards.  I consequently
think too much and hold back unless I feel that, should this happen, that I
have chosen who I may end up having this happen to me with.   I was once
told that people choose their clothes with more care than they do their
relationships.  If you wanted to buy a suit, you might go into several
stores, compare prices, try many different ones on, etc. before buying.
When it comes to choosing a partner, how many of us are this careful?  The
other thought I had is that I seem to notice an intense period that happens
with women as you start to date them, where without necessarily specifically
saying so they can convey a seriousness and intensity of the situation to
you that seems to pass as time goes on and you get to know them more.  I
notice this more with very intelligent women as opposed to less intelligent
ones.  You have to pass through this phase before they relax and allow
things between you to settle down.  Am I the only one noticing this?

Leon: (Commenting on my comment "At 9:30 she calls me up,
very upset that as she has thought about it she is very uncomfortable
with what's going on with me.")  She's setting the base of support for her
desired outcome. (Commenting on "She doesn't date very
often and when she does she wants it to be special): She Wants It To Be
Special. She's saying what she wants to hear.  (Commenting on "She thought I
was a gentleman, not a womanizer (which she
defined as a man constantly in search of a parent replacement, looking for
something that isn't real, etc.") Isn't it interesting how easy this stuff
is for the girls. You are to behave like she wants you to. i. e. a gentleman
which has certain behaviors already defined.  (Commenting on: "Well I
listened to all of this and never admitted to anything.  I said, "What did
you think? Did you think I was going to invite you over to my place and then
seduce you?") Now she is so silly isn't she, or is she. She got you to
disavow what you wanted. Now you have to act congruent with what you said.

My Comment:  Yes, I implied that I disavowed what I wanted but I was careful
in my choice of words.  I only asked her what she was thinking, not that
that was not my intention.  I think I played somewhat with confusion in this
situation but there may have been a better way to handle it.

Leon (Commenting on: "I am sure that most guys chase her for her looks (she
in fact confirmed this to me when we did go out finally last night) and are
only interested in nailing her"): An excellent way to keep a guy in line.
And it does remind me of this one girl who took big time advantage of me.
Seems she was pretty easy for some other guys. Which I found out afterword.

My Comment:  Anyone ever heard of "anyone but my husband?"  When she made
the comment about guys mainly being interested in her looks, I said that I
have to like the cover but it is more important that the book is good.  I
really dismissed that idea to her right away, as if her looks did not
impress me.  Which, because I had caution in the back of my mind more than
anything else, they didn't.

Leon: (Commenting on "She did a lot of the talking and spoke freely about
her sexuality, her life, her having never completely surrendered herself in
a love relationship") Are you the man to get her to surrender herself
completely in a love releationship. What A Challange!!

My Comment:  When this came up in our conversation, I said to her that I
thought that when she met this special person (self pointing) that I
believed that this surrender would be very sweet and would be easy and
surprisingly comfortable for her.  That her fears may prove unfounded and
she may come to realize that she may have made this out to be much more than
it will be when it happens (now, with me...).

Leon (Commenting on "She kissed me on both cheeks but leaned into the first
one in such a way that I could have made out with her but I didn't take the
bait as I have to make her pay for thinking that I was anything other than
the best thing that could ever happen to her")  She was willing to kiss you
on the cheek. The leaning in on thing: did she want to be kissed or check to
see of you were staying in line? Shes 42 with kids, she isn't 16 working at
McDonalds, and she spoke freely about her sexuality. If she doesn't slip you
some tongue next time, chances of getting what you want are silm.  Unless of
course you use some SS, and start getting her hot.  Cliff, this woman is
your big time opportunity to learn a lot of shit.  Write down everything
that happens with her.  Especially what she says, and your initial feelings
and response. We will be able to benefit from it in two ways. One by being
able to recognize it and Two by being able to use it ourselves.

My Comment:  My feeling, based on the way she kissed my cheeks (where
actually she veered towards my lips rather than me doing this.  In Montreal,
the "two cheek kiss" when you meet and when you part is very common and is a
politically correct way for her to express some affection) remains that if I
were to have made a movement towards making out with her she really would
have gone for it.  And I did use SS on her selectively (she did a lot of the
talking), mostly in terms of sections of process language and some ambiguous
statements.  I agree that there is an opportunity to learn here and I will
provide further details as they develop.

Leon: (Commenting on "I think I know now what to do, talk less about the job
and more about plans to improve my situation just as you described.")  Find
something about life that you can speak about enthusiastically and the link
everything to yourself. That's what I'm doing. The girls just light up and
are totally rapped. I'm actually starting to think that I can just keep
rambling on and never stop. "I just got into poetry and it's like you See
Something So Wonderful right in front of you and you just have to Go For
It." I just blab about anything.

My Comment:  I think you can talk about anything at all but the key is the
underlying attitude which will be reflected in what you are saying.  To make
this clearer, obviously a computer nerd talking non-stop about software no
matter how enthusiastic will not get a woman excited unless underlying this
is a personality which has some seductive elements.

Leon: So here's a pattern for you. Go for it:
"I’ll bet that you're the type of person that when you See Something You
Really Want. You are definitely going to Go For It. Right? Well you Remind
me of my Close Friend Kim. When she sees that Something Special that she
really wants. She says its like You Are Mysteriously Drawn Toward It. And
you Feel A Desire Deep Inside that you just have to fill. Like the other day
she was at the mall and there was this dress.  It's like you See Something
Sooo Attractive right in front of you and You Really Want It. And it's like
there’s this window of opportunity. And you know that you have to Go For It.
Because you know that someone else can appreciate How Attractive It Is. She
was really excited to see how well it fits because It's Sooo Sexy. The way
it moves over her body. And the way it softly caresses her. She says it's
the same when she sees someone and He’s So Attractive. That you stop and you
Go Inside and you think about The Ideal Man You Want To Be With. And you
realize that Everything You Want In A Man Is Right Here. It's that same
window of opportunity. You just have to Go For It. She actually stops guys
and is open about what she wants. She finds that she gets to Be With Someone
Exciting, by doing this. So ________, if you were to find Someone Attractive
and you could Imagine Having A Wonderful Time Together. What would you do to
make sure that you could Be With Him."  And if she says what she will do,
and does it at the same time,  that would be great.  I just developed this
so I haven't used it yet.

My Comment:  Thanks for the pattern, which I decided to present here for
those reading this who have never seen a typical SS pattern.  But I am not
really looking for these postings to be presenting patterns; that is best
left where it belongs which is on the SS list.  The purpose of these is for
comments on seduction which would be off-topic for the SS list, not to
compete or present SS material.

Generaly: On the subject of "purpose," I think that the key is "Strength."
In other words, women are attracted to men who are "Strong."  AND, I am not
talking about physical strength, because a lot of the muscle boys are real
wimps.  I am talking about the kind of strength that makes a woman feel
safe, relax, and allows her to be a woman.  Let me give you an example:
This morning my date tried to get me to put on my clothes, and carry a
one-gallon can of paint out to her car.  I made a personal decison not to.
She tried all of her feminine wiles on me.  I did not budge.  After it was
all over, she was
happy!  I consider being strong to have been a great gift to her.  It would
have been a whole lot easier to give her what she asked for, but I decided
to put out a little extra energy, and take a little extra risk to give her
what she wanted.  What did she get?  She got another opportunity to let go,
relax, and feel the strength of the masculine.  This means that she could
relax and be a woman.  The main way that a woman can get to feel this
strength is to test for it.  After detecting her feminine relaxation, I
anchor it big-time!!!

My Comment:  I remain fascinated by these type of tactics which prove to be
highly effective but are out of my ordinary behaviourial expectations.  For
example, showing strength like this and having her be thrilled that you
didn't do what she was pushing you to do.

Generaly: I have found that when women are "bitches" they are setting up a
situation where a man can show his strength.  I really enjoy this now!!!  I
never thought that I would enjoy abuse, threats of  abandonment, and pushy
behaviour.  Now that I know what is going on, I have found a way to turn it
into a great gift, and a great feeling of personal control.  To this end, I
have started to use all kinds of metaphors with the women like:  why don't
you just put a leash around my neck, trim my ears and tail, and take me out
for a walk to show your friends (said with a sardonic tone.  use a dog, cat,
fish, of any kind, this is the land of a million metaphors), use me like a
charm on your bracelet, and of course the Sargy type patterns of "Feel the
strengh, know you can relax, feel like a women because you can see that the
man in front of you is a real man, etc..."
Polarity is the driving force behind the force of sex!!!  "Strength" can
help anyone relax.  For example: in your business lives, do you feel
yourself relax when you are around people who have shown that they
are strong?  People who you know will be there when the chips are down,
people who you know will take care of business and weather whatever storms
come up and hold up their end of the deal.  It could be said that "trust"
requires that you be able to "count on" that person.  Strength!

My Comment:  This is a very important realization.  If we are to conclude
that when woman are being bitches they are really giving you the opportunity
to put them in their place so they can respect, admire and desire you, this
should change dramatically how you deal with those situations.  For example,
Ross talks of a lot of good comebacks when women are bitchy such as "you're
no where near good looking enough to have that kind of attitude".  But if we
take this to the next level it means that using force against force
(obviously in a calculated manner) that you should be able to quickly turn
the situation around.  I have this underlying belief in people and that
ultimately they are basically good (not everyone, of course) (that means
you, Ray) (just kidding) and "everyone is nice to someone".  So the fact
that they may be a bitch to you at one time doesn't mean that with the right
handling she won't be craving you another time.

Maxin:  (Commenting on: "In fact, the more I learn the more I think that
women are as eager to seduce men as men are to seduce women, it's just that
most men don't go after them in a way that lets them express this")  And
also women don't really receive a lot of training in this respect. I for the
most part have always required women to be quite the seducers» to get me
interested.  A few times here and there I have been the initiator, but I so
loved having a woman work hard to pique my interest and I was so shy that it
really didn't happen unless SHE wanted (and wanted it bad enough) I am so
happy to have discovered SS and even though it is requiring me to relearn
much of my modus operandi with women, I can feel
myself changing in really powerful and exciting ways. Part of the
problem with allowing women to seduce you, is that it seems that the
ones who really have it down, are "oddities" either overweight, slightly off
the mark in the physical beauty department, or having strange ideas about
relationships. When women are drop dead gorgeous, they are sometimes
crippled in the learning department, because so many opportunities are just
thrown at them. I don't know if you've ever had the experience of being with
an beautiful woman who doesn't know how to kiss, is a boring lay, and is
neurotic about blowjobs, but I have. Some women don't "have" to leard how to
be any good at these things because they have an overabundance of
relationship opportunities and even the men they are with are too spineless
to tell them it is a problem.

My Comment: Surely many of us have had women that were disappointing in
their performance next to their looks.  But my experience today is that
there are a hell of a lot of women out there who are very experienced, very
knowledgable, great performers, and highly intelligent.  Yes, it is true
that many overweight women really have great personalities; but a lot of
beautiful women have problems expressing their special qualities because
most men can't see beyond their looks.

Maxin: (Commenting on: "I know that I still deal with my own limiting
beliefs which I am aware that I allow to prevent myself from obtaining
everything I want out of women and relationships.") I have noticed, that
beautiful and intelligent women are incredibly fascinated with this topic, I
engaged a woman in the spa hot tub one day
when she said "I always remember faces but I'm not so good with names", I
said "keep saying that and it will be true". She reacted like I had said the
most profound thing she had ever heard. Beautiful and
intelligent women are consistently told that they are beautiful and have
everything going for them, but sometimes know their limiting beliefs are
what are really holding them back. I think this is why Major Mark's "I'm a
hypnotist" strategy works so well, they crave was to defeat their limiting
beliefs, just like we do, we are the creme de la creme of men in our society
today, so "on it", so interested in fulfilling our potential, that we have
dedicated a significant portion of our lives to learning how to get what we
want.

My Comment:  Have you ever noticed that if you say something that sounds
profound to a woman that she usually eats it up, whether it was profound or
not?  I think a discussion of working on your limiting beliefs points to
your ambition at improving yourself and this is appealing.

Maxin: (Commenting on: "At 9:30 she calls me up, very upset that as she has
thought about it she is very uncomfortable with what's going on with me.")
How incredibly lame, calling a hour late to tell you she was uncomfortable
about the plans she made with you, I understand her point, but her choice of
delivery was an attempt to regain control and have you work within HER game.

My Comment: I agree and was aware of it when she called.  I wasn't totally
prepared for her attack but I knew not to specifically give an inch; repeat
what she says to show I understand, be vague, be strong, and just let her
blow off steam were what I was thinking.

Maxin: (Commenting on "She did a lot of the talking and spoke freely about
her sexuality, her life, her having never completely  surrendered herself in
a love relationship, etc.") Use this last point as leverage if she gives you
a hard time or tries to exert power or control.  In other words, you told me
previously about never completely surrendered yourself in a love
relationship, maybe you have never met a man who was worthy of that and that
you realize you feel safe enough to let yourself feel that with... ME, as I
understand it, that's kind of sad.  I was talking to my friend Colleen and
she was telling me that until she found the man she could feel comfortable
about surrendering herself to, she never truly felt she had reached her full
potential as a fulfilled women (or any other thing she might be motivated
by) blah blah blah

My Comment:  As soon as a woman talks about sex with me in a manner which
doesn't exclude the possibility of having sex with me, I know she's toast.
If I blow it now, it will only be my own fault.


Maxin: (Commenting on "She kissed me on both cheeks but leaned into the
first one in such a way that I could have made out with her but I didn't
take the bait as I have to make her pay for thinking that I was anything
other than the best thing that could ever happen to her.")  You are awesome,
this is the best handling of this situation I could
possibly imagine. Sounds like you are not out of the woods yet, watch for
more power play stunts from her, but she sounds like she's probably off the
fence and in your court.

My Comment:  I think so also.  But she is looking for big game (i.e. a
rrrrrrelationship) and I want to take the next steps carefully with her.

Maxin: The February issue of Playboy Magazine has an article by a guy who
decided to go on 20 dates and sereptitiously videotaped them for a movie
project, the movie is due out in March 99 (if I remember correctly) called
"20 dates" or something like that. He says in the process he learned how to
date and that the key is volume, after as many dates as he did, he got used
to the flow, and what he should say based upon certain questions etc. good
article, I can't wait for the movie.  (Commenting on when you are asked
about your job) The best bet, is to discover something about your current
job that you do like, something that you are passionate about, and come up
with a way to seguae into a seduction theme while talking about it. I am a
High Tech Recruiter, and I tell women I love how I can pick up the phone and
connect with people all over the Nation. And how I now have connections,
sometimes with people I haven't even met yet, in Atlanta or D.C. or Texas or
Florida etc.

My Comment:  I don't think we can underestimate the effect of the language
of seduction.  Talking about "connections", "love"(even love of a job), etc.
all plant these words in their heads coming from you and in the grand scheme
of things contribute to their overall opinion of you.

Maxin: (Commenting on My Comment about "The only difference between what you
were talking about and the situation I mentioned is that the move to talk
into her ear was done before a connection had been established.  Some guys
are able to create that "instantaneous connection" but for me I find that it
takes awhile for her to really feel connected to the point where she will
keep out distractions from friends and other men who may try and step into
the picture)  I read this and thought you were creating a pattern. This is
great stuff, this actually could be something that you could say to a woman
"Some guys are able to create that "instantaneous connection" but for me
I find that it takes awhile for her to really feel connected to the
point where..."   I rarely talk about instantaneous connections, mostly
because I find that the topic is a mine field, so many women have had the
experience (especially if they are 25+) of having been burned by someone
they "thought" was connecting to them in that way.

My Comment:  I have to say that I frequently talk right away about making
that powerful connection, now, with me, to many of the women I approach.
Rather than finding ones that have been burned, I find a large number of
them that I approach just have never made an instantaneous connection and I
have to go to a different nude erection (new direction).


A2dotml: (Commenting on my story about Caroline's sister in the last
posting) In the last 6 months I've lost out on 2 relationships.  One with an
extremely beautiful (maybe the best looking I have ever gone out with) HB
and one who is the most passionate woman I have ever known.  I thought the
way to go was what I thought was the opposite of how other men treated them
both.  I'm 44 they were both 30. Both with kids, a deal I'm not willing to
get into since I have 3 of my own that live with me.  Anyway, although they
both liked me, I played it too casual.  Both now have boyfriends that went
all out for them. It seems to me most women like the idea of falling in love
and being swept off
their feet in a short period of time.  It also seems to me that going all
out doesn't mean that you are making a lifetime commitment to them.

My Comment:  I think if you were to consider all of the various strategies
and tactics that have been successful, the only logical conclusion is that
different things will work with different, and sometimes the same, women.
For example, she may find a guy who is aloof interesting and the next day a
guy who does something different in an intriguing way (such as going all
out) could also be of interest.  In terms of going all out, I think this
relates to the concept of worthiness in that a woman of quality doesn't want
to go with just anyone.  She wants someone who is worthy.  Part of that
worthiness can be the man's effort and strong interest in her.  I know from
time to time I am lazy and this just doesn't show them the value that they
feel they deserve.  So I try and keep this under control.

Terry I look at the rubes that pick up women instinctually and see that
their base intelligence is not very high.  Take my cousin for example. He
has not read a book for years and years. Yet he can go out on any night and
say, "I want a blow job in my truck" and he will get a blow job in his
truck. He doesn't know how he does it. Alcohol is
a factor, so is blatancy, but he has never analyzed his own behaviour and
I'm sure if he did his results would change. But looking at his behaviour
and looking at why he is able to score I can cite the following reasons: 1.
He is married (shitty but he cheats), therefore there is no pressure. If he
doesn't get the bj he knows he can go home and get it. (He also doesn't
think oral sex is cheating).
2. He talks to everyone, and anyone. He rarely has to do a cold (warm)
walkup because he gets people who he is talking to to introduce him to the
HB's.
3. Over the course of the night he becomes very blatant in a joking manner.
He talks openly about sex, with everyone, and regards his sex talk as
nothing out of the ordinary.


My Comment: I used to be friends with a woman (actually still friends but
she would only wait for me to call and one way friendships I usually end)
who told me of this short, bald, skinny and nothing to look at guy who had
the filthiest mouth she ever came across.  Yet her and all her friends
thought he was just the sexiest thing around.

Terry: 4. Definiteness of purpose. (He knows exactly what he wants when he
walks into a place)
5. He is in killer shape. Working out is his religion.  I'll think of more,
but I haven't been out with him in awhile as he often gets into fights as
well.

My Comment: Your cousin just knows how to be the jerk women love.

Terry:  I think the key to starting conversations is what Hyperbond calls
ecology of your states. You have to install the states in yourself. If you
want her to feel pleasant sensations, you have to be experienceing pleasant
sensations and so on. I am establishing a hierarchy of states that I wish to
install. When I am satisfied with what I have I will send it off.
(Commenting on moving cautiously with a woman) I have over erred on the side
of caution. THis in my mind was to appear a gentleman, or something. Now, I
am going to be blatant as hell. I used to be a lot crazier before I got
desperate. When I was younger, I got laid a lot. This had to do with a
certain blatancy that I don't have the balls to pull off anymore. A lot of
this stuff ain't legal either, and if it doesn't work, you are in trouble.
When I was a  kid, I didn't have these concerns.  For example, In my early
twenties, I lived in Asia. I had a steady girl and we dated for over a year.
Cultural differences drove us apart, yada, yada.  Anyway after we split up,
I went to Thailand to drown my sorrows. Now being
in  a place like Thailand makes you blatant as hell. You can get sex anytime
you want for 5 bucks so it is not an issue, follow me? Anyway, I didn't want
Asian women at that juncture. White women was what I wanted. In the span of
one month I got laid 10 times. 5 of these were women that were walking past
me in a bar, I would grab them and give them a full tongue kiss. Alcohol was
involved, but no one resisted me. I don't know how I got away with that shit
but it worked. I have done this in the past in Canada as well, at parties,
in the bar, no one has ever resisted or put up a fuss. I have not done that
since Thailand though.  Other stuff that I used to do was crap like grabbing
some chicks tits, or ass or something. I haven't done that in a long time
either.  When I was in Asia, at first I was having trouble getting laid. Not
getiing the chicks home and undressed, but they would always say no. I
talked to a very wise ex-patriot and he said, "Asian women need to be taken,
they will always give you the impression that they don't want to, you have
to take them." So when they said no, I would continue, if they pushed me
away, I would stop, but if they would respond to my touches, i.e. mouth says
no body
says yes, then I would continue.  I always stop, when a white woman says no.
Maybe they need to be taken as well? Or at least feel like they are being
taken.  I'm not sure what point I am trying to get to here, but, at one
point in time, I knew what to do, yet now, at least pre-SS, I had been
floundering. Perhaps it is from over anal-lyzing.
(Commenting on "as soon as they talk about sex I know their ass is
mine.  Women will not talk about sex with someone they wouldn't consider
having sex with because they don't want that person to get the wrong idea)
If women talk about sex, I get horny and this makes me bolder.  (Commenting
on my comment about Montreal "We got cold weather but we have some of the
hottest women around.") I have to agree with you Clifford, women in Montreal
dress like they do in Europe. This makes a huge difference. Winnipeg, is no
slouch though. We get a bad rap, but, if you haven't been you would be
pleasantly surprised. Several top models come from here, and Playboy once
rated Grand Beach in the top ten for women. I think it is the mix of
Ukranian and Russian blood that we have here. Lots of blondies. You can go
out and see some awesome women. I
guess, every place and every culture has some beautiful women though, right?

My Comment: From what I have seen, every sizable city has some amazing
women. You may have to really look to find them, though.

Terry: (Commenting on a comment I made about my goals in relation to
seduction): So where do you want it to be? What are your goals in regards to
this? Have you been studying NLP, and introducing process language to your
non-seduction dealings?

My Comment:  I want to conquer this man-woman thing, to be able to fully
execute any seduction I undertake and maintain it on my terms.

Terry: I think NLP is all about change. I know my core being will not
change, I will always be who I am , yet, behaviours, are malleable. People
are people, everyone has similiar hopes dreams and aspirations. To use this
knowledge to make people's lives better is what is important to me. Happy
girls fuck more, too.  (Commenting on luck in hunting for women) Hopefully
now that I am installing these states, that luck will not play a part. I
know you are using an expression but that was my primary motivation to
dropping the money on Ross's course was so that I didn't have to rely on the
oh so nebulous luck. I got my last girl friend through luck, and put up with
three years of hoping she was going to become the person that I
wanted her to be. In the end I knew that was never possible, yet, I still
wanted it to, because I thought, well, now I have to get lucky to find, a
person who has all the qualities that I want.  Today, I have the attitude
that I don't need luck. I am the selector, and when I make a choice to be
with someone it is my choice. I know you are at this stage already, but I
will be there as soon as I can.

My Comment:  Someone once mentioned to me that women marry a man hoping to
change him and men marry women hoping they won't change.  I think the
ultimate strategy is that no one can make you happy except yourself.

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Cliff’s Comment: For those of you who are just reading about this for the first time, I decided a couple of emails ago to add links to these emails.  The idea would be to get enough money in to hire someone to take over the administrative work (and also to buy things which would improve this list, such as proper mailing list software) for this list.  If you were going to buy the product anyway, just use the link that appears below and you are helping to keep this list going at no extra cost to anyone.

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RECOMMENDED:

One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo’s Double Your Dating» e-book.  David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" — which is "hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for several years now that I originally met through one of Ross’ Speed Seduction» seminars.  His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.

Ron Louis and David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes.

Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites that have been seen within this "seduction community". After seeing several terrible reviews and "flames" from alt.seduction.fast, I decided to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal to anything I have seen in the past.  At any rate, I know you wanted a review.. and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his members area than I would expect to see from any other site.

Not only does this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee, but it stands alone and it’s program is unmatched. Right now they’re doing a Free Trial period, and I’d take advantage of this while you can. The site reads "Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women. From A – Z, you’ll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you’ll see why their members like this program so much.

NOT REVIEWED YET:

Here’s another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past but I haven’t gone through the old emails to check. Do You Want To Know A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?

Advanced Macking has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.

This one also looked pretty interesting. Information on breakups and loving-styles.

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The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting. Comments, please.

Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using Personals for SexThe Guide contains the following Inside Secrets: Replying to ads – how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.   Placing ads – how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide contains a list of the best adult personals sites.

A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language to make others obey your command.

Arte’s New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman’s g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend – but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully.

Check this out.

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Cliff’s Comment: The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from them doesn’t send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors of these sites consider setting this up — from the little experience I have had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you are missing a lot of business by not doing this):

 

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