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He’s Raised the Bar Once Again
Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:20:35 -0500

More Websurfing:  Flyer has sent me a note about, a site which sells "THE MANUAL: A list
of hints and tips to increase the chances of the average male in attracting
and seducing the fairer sex." This seems like a good one; below is a small
portion of the "demo extract" which I found very good (since this is
available freely, I took the liberty of copying it here):  "Understand this
if you get nothing else out of this tract; WOMEN ARE NOT LIKE MEN. We are
direct in matters of the heart, they are subtle. We use mental logic in
making our mating decisions, they use emotional logic. We are driven by the
need to have sex with as many different women as possible. They are driven
by the need to find the most successful, robust, intelligent and protective
male to have children with, and to bind that male to her."  Flyer made the
following comments on the manual itself: "I checked out the manual from, and it was pretty general, covering 1st level advice (didn't
talk about SS): the essentials, etc.
Though, I think that it may be too general. For example, they mention that
if you wear scuffed shoes, it could cost you, claiming that women make snap
judgements about you based on your shoes. I find this hard to believe, and
if a woman is going to make a judgement like this, in my book she falls into
the stupid-ass flake category."  My comment is that I have had women make
decisions about me on less, so it doesn't surprise me.

Hugh Hefner has raised the bar again.  The January 2000 issue of Playboy
carries his first interview in the magazine in many years and, at 72, he is
currently involved with three very attractive women, simultaneously.  Two
are twins and all are blond.  They sometimes have a friend join them.  And
this is going on now for over a year.  Meanwhile, ex-wife Kimberly Conrad
and his two sons (now 8 & 9 years old) live in the mansion next door that he
bought for her (it seems from reading that article that that relationship is
also unresolved, other than the fact that the traditional marriage frame
doesn't work for her).  As well, his parties are the hottest ticket in
Hollywood and his popularity, since the
breakup of his marriage, is skyrocketing.  This reminds me of Ross's analogy
about how in the beginning man went out hunting with a knife and spear to
get food.  But then man developed agriculture and with crops growing,
animals would come to them.  In other words, there are better ways.
Suggestions to recreate the Hefner lifestyle, anyone (other than by starting
up a men's magazine)?

Brother Marcus: I tried a pheromone cologne that doesn't have its name on
the bottle so I can't remember. I got it out of an Adam & Eve catalog, I
think. One of the first times I wore it, I went to a party at a friend's
house. He has two female half-wolf dogs, and I had to keep batting them away
because they were ALL OVER me the whole night licking at my neck. Not what I
had in mind, and it never seemed to work on human females. If the pheromones
do have any effect on women, it might be masked over by other things they
might be distracted with (looks, status, etc.)

Maxin(Commenting on the website I mentioned recently, Seems to be a broken link on chapter 4, but you
get the basic idea reading up to there. Straightforward sells this book, it
used to be called "How to be a Sexual God in 3 Easy Lessons", and the author
Dusty White.  It's now called "How to Find, Control and Seduce the Woman of
Your Dreams (And How to Get Rid of Them if They're Not)". It is basically a
guide to the twelve Zodiac signs and how to influence women based upon their
signs. I think that 80% or so of women are very much follow the stereotype
of their signs, you could look at it as if they were given post hypnotic
suggestions to behave how their zodiac dictates (after all, most people have
checked out what the zodiac says about them), and as a result it influences
their behavior. (The book might even work for men, especially if they are
astrology at all.)  The book is good, it comes with a rather stern warning
on the cover not to share the fact that you have it with the women you know.
is humorous also. I have been able in some cases to utilize pattern language
based on the values the book says that women should have without having done
a values elicitation with the woman, and in at least one case, turned things
completely around. If you have ever experienced not being able to "figure
out" a specific woman, this book may give you enough of a clue to be able to
get into her headspace and utilize your SS skills to get the rest.

Horn Dog (Commenting on Rick's comment (paraphrased) that women like drama,
and if you don't provide it for them, then they will provide it for you.):
Rather than drama, a more fitting word might be "passion."  Women are
creatures of emotion,  and they gauge the quality of their relations with
others by the amount of emotional exchange that occurs between them positive
or negative.  Dr. Joy Browne always tells her male callers on national radio
that women would rather be loved than fought with, but they'd rather be
fought with than be ignored.  So, if you've got an HB that you'd really like
to keep around, pay attention to her moods. Watch for the times she is
especially feeling needy and clingy, and play them for all they're worth.
Maybe a little "tease and take-away" may be in order.

Bill: What I pasted below is a testimonial, Is this book any good?
"It's true, Eric Weber's world famous classic, "How to Pick Up Girls," has
helped more men pick up girls than any other book in the world. Interviews
with 25 beautiful girls give you insights into why women get horny, how to
keep a woman guessing, and what it takes to clinch the deal when she seems
interested. And Eric's new book, The Ironman, gives you the confidence to
dazzle today's really great women, the elegant models, lawyers, and business
execs with money and class."

My Comment: I read it many, many years ago.  My memory says that even back
then I wasn't impressed (long before I knew Ross).  I would say that what I
remember would compare to Don Diebel's stuff -- AFC advice.  Maybe I am
wrong.  I would like someone to check out The Ironman, though, and let me
know what they think.

Rod (Commenting on Dee's post about Mind Power Seduction): My only question
is if this is working so well for Dee, why hasn't he had sex with the woman

Dee: Which woman, may I ask? The one I wrote about in the last newsletter?
To answer your question, (presuming we are talking about the same woman) is
TIME. I doubt that after using MPS successfully a few times that a woman
will rip off your clothes and have you then and there. I recall saying that
I have been using MPS on this girl for only about a month, and I don't
really see her that often around the office. When I do, she flirts like mad,
and didn't before I used MPS.

Rod:  He doesn't even say that he's gone on a date with her.  Come on!  Dee
can talk until he's blue in the face about how she says "Hello" to him in
the morning, but for some of us in the peanut gallery, the proof is in the
My only question is if this is working so well for Dee, why hasn't he had
sex with the woman yet?

Dee: I think I have stated a little more than this in that post. Read a
little bit more carefully. Her drastic behavior change is proof enough to me
that it works!  She does a lot more than just say "Hello" now... I haven't
had time to update you on what has been happening. We are talking more and
more everyday... it is in the DEVELOPMENT stage for now. Don't worry, I am
positive it will lead to where I wish. (SEX) And just what is proof to you,
friend? It would be easy for anyone to say "Yes! I have had sex with a
person I used MPS on!" I could easily have said that in this EMAIL. Would
that really be proof for you? In that case, I will tell you WHEN it actually
does happen.
P.S. And come OUT of the "peanut gallery" and SHARE YOUR

Freeqshow: Hey Clifford, man am I glad we caught this one in time. This guy
Artie Schiff ( is a con-man and these
tapes are completely bogus-regardless of his marketing genius! I got
suckered into buying several "customs" from this guy a few years back and
they simply do not work.  Artie claims his subliminal messages are delivered
64,000 times per tape. The way he accomplishes this is by layering 6 tracks
of "digital computer generated" audio on top of each other and then speeds
them up, sort of like listening to a 33 album on 78. In theory it should
work but the research I've seen on subliminal technology doesn't indicate
that a "single" voice track is effective, much less one that was created by
a fucking computer. Don't fall for the sales pitch...Incubi/Mephisto is a
sure fire alternative to this guys smoke and mirrors routine.  Now, on the
other hand, Artie does have some nice products on his site. I have purchased
some of his Solomon Amulets and other magickal goodies and they are of very
high quality, so..........

My Comment:  Despite your negative opinion, it seems like this stuff isn't
that bad since you say "in theory it should work" and then go recommend some
of his other products.  It seems that his tapes didn't work for you but the
products look legitimate in general.  According to you, this may not be the
best place to spend your money for this type of product, but that's not
quite the same as calling him a fraud.

Rod: I was thinking today about how much better I have been doing with women
now than in the past, and what I am now doing differently.  I think one of
the best things we can do is to stroke our women's egos in the right way.  I
think this is best done by reassuring them of their insecurities and showing
appreciation for the things they put effort into.  Even for good-looking
women, lots of them are insecure about their looks.   Tell them how
beautiful/sexy they are--often. Lots of women also worry about losing their
mate or they worry that he doesn't care enough for them.  So I'll tell them
how much I like them, shit like that. For example, I just sent a message to
this one babe I know saying, "I may have lost all sorts of money at the
horse track yesterday, but I still consider myself damn lucky for knowing
you."  Let's just say that her response was fantastic. A year ago, I
wouldn't do shit like that.  It's fucking cheesy, wimpy, unmanly and sappy.
I swallowed that aspect of my pride and being a wuss once in a while has
really gotten me much more trim than I did before.  I don't know if others
suffer from the same dilemma, but allowing myself to be less macho for a
couple minutes a day has made a huge difference. Bottom line: stroke those
egos.  Send those sweet little messages every now and then even if you don't
feel all that strongly.  Think of all the women who complain their
boyfriends/husbands don't say "I love you," or send flowers or shit like
that.  By doing crap like what I outlined above, you are distinguishing
yourself from those people that women complain about all the time.

My Comment: Sometimes the obvious works best.  You might pick up a copy of
Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People -- it has some very
wise advise.  Not new technology, but some good common sense. My informal
research (talking to women I am picking up) indicates that, contrary to
popular belief, there are a lot of romantic men out there.  More than we

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I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites that have been seen within this "seduction community". After seeing several terrible reviews and "flames" from, I decided to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal to anything I have seen in the past.  At any rate, I know you wanted a review.. and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his members area than I would expect to see from any other site.

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This one also looked pretty interesting. Information on breakups and loving-styles.

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