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Here's a treat! On the Speed Seduction» IRC Channel (#sargy) Doc David and I
were on while he updated us on his latest, infamous gym seduction
techniques. Here are the highlights, edited to make it more readable:
What is a amazing is the number of girls who said I was too fat
at 230/240 lbs., pre-SS who would not talk to me then, and how they they
love me so much now. I never had such impressive results as recently.
Docdavid - your gym stories are really incredible stuff. I
thought that what you said indicated that you had gained weight since I had
seen you in L.A. a year or two ago.
I have gained and then I lost it .
What has been the difference getting you such results with women?
I think I just have an attitude that I don't need them anymore so
I don't try in an aggressive manner.
So you try in a "who cares" sort of way?
To be honest, every once in a while, I see someone who has a
vivid imagination who can go into trance very deeply and when I find her I
load her with anchors of incredible lust, then I keep firing them and wait
for her to close.
How do you recognize those of this vivid imagination?
you already know that by now don't you?
Sparkly eyes?
No, that is not enough.
The full doggy dinner bowl look in 10 seconds. If I don't get
that I don't bother. If you go to aerobic classes or similar such stuff,
you will see one in 10 go into that state automatically, 1 in 50 deeply and
you also have the anchors, by following what the class is doing. I don't
select the anchors, the aerobic instructor does by saying words over and
over and you will see one or two react.
Very devious. For the rest of their lives everytime the
aerobics instructor says "Step to the left!" they will get horny for Doc
Dave.
No, not quite but there are other stuff. "Hello" is all right.
Ever seen studio cycling, also called Powerpacing, RoadRacing, or Spinning.
Well, here the instructor says in the beginning 'We are going over this
trail today and talks about this real trail that he based the course for the
hour on. He then describes the trail as we ride. I would then talk to the
girl later saying how much of an expert she is to get her attention and then
say how I was on that trail for real, and how he described it so well and
redescribe it transitioning to .. and it is amazing when you ride and that
the bicycle feels like a part of you. Then I describe sensations and how
when you get to the top of the hill, I insert peak experiences pattern and
how you feel a connection with the universe... just like you feel a
connection when you meet someone new. Then I talk and ask why she is doing
the exercise.. what values does she hope to achieve .
Then I repeat said values and self point to me, etc.
Damn that's devious!! I love it!
Devious is when I get them to hallucinate on how I will look
after exercising hard for several years. Devious is telling them to imagine
that they are biking to their pictures of all their goals and seeing those
pictures in front of them over the finish line. And while I am pointing to
those pictures I am pointing to the reflection of myself in the mirror.
There are other little tricks I use which I may have mentioned before. I
think I said I like stationary bicycles because I can turn the tension down
real low and match my pedaling cadence to theirs so they think I am working
out as hard as they are. By matching them exactly I think I mirror them
better. My theory is that psychic stuff is no different than what you are
doing now. You are creating a state within yourself that sarges both
overtly and psychically and there is no need to separate the two. What is
the need to separate the two? I am not a psychic expert so forgive me I am
saying something incorrectly, but is it not that one stage of presarging is
observing what she observes and putting yourself in her head to get her
sensations? Is that not the difference between Cold walk ups and Gold walk
ups? A Cold walk up is something an AFC does, walking up to someone cold. A
gold walk up is something an SS'er does, by preparing himself with google
and observing the way she acts and moves, so he approaches with strength,
google and power?
Ever try using anchors as pressure points? This is something I have tried
once or twice with someone who I know is into reflexology or chakras or
something like that. What I did was that I covertly set tons of anchors on
the wrist right below the thumb then when she talks about reflexology, I say
how I read in a journal that the corresponding point for the clitoris is on
that point on the wrist
(where the anchor is) and ask her if she feels anything when I touch it
in just the right way.
A little later on, Maw provided his gym technique:
Ok, here's what I do in the gym. I stare at her and make her notice
that I stare (or perhaps even get eye contact) then I leave her alone for
5-10 mins, with the occasional stare. Then I move myself closer to her, and
then on a break, I say... "Excuse me, I'm actually breaking my own rule here
of not talking to people when I'm in the gym, but I can't keep my eyes off
you, wondering...
are you just genetically gifted or did you have to work hard to look as good
as you do" ("get such great legs".. whatever fits)? Then she will laugh or
be flattered in some way.. so I will just ask.. "What's your name? and I
will offer mine.. and leave it again, as if I REALLY was just amazed. So I
keep her wondering again and at the END when she's about to leave, I go for
the kill.
Jason: Ya know what's interesting about this super HB thing is that I've
been
realizing something incredible lately. It's that there's an attitude to take
with super HB's (and all women really) that is pure gold. The thought is
that "INSTINCTUALLY women KNOW their role." The key word here is
INSTINCTUALLY. What this means is that on an "instinctual" level women ARE
all the same! They get their juices flowing when they are in the presence of
a "MAN" who is living HIS ROLE. MAN is the dominant one NOT women. (I'm not
talking about those humans who are "male". I'm talking about a MAN.) And
deep down inside women KNOW this. However most men haven't yet figured this
out and of course they think, act, and behave in such a way as to make the
woman the dominant one. The fact that men think of women as having all the
sexual power is dead wrong! It's the male who is truly a MAN who has all
the sexual power! And we have to embody that frame, and that attitude, and
the thoughts that go along with it accordingly. When a woman (no matter how
hot) see's and "feels" the presence of a man who knows HE is the dominant
one and SHE isn't, she does what a woman does and that is SURRENDER to the
more powerful being. That's where this whole idea of surrender comes from,
it's an INSTINCTUAL desire that women have had since they were young.
This is NOT and has NOTHING to do with being an asshole. This is about
being a MAN who is NOT afraid. Men who are assholes are simply limited as
far as other ways of displaying their attitude of not being afraid. The
reason women often go for muscles (ie. strong, powerful) or men with money
(ie. power) is because she thinks this man is more powerful than SHE is. So
therefore she "surrenders" to the more powerful. If someone was in a fight
or a ring with someone else who is "obviously" the more powerful and better
fighter and he knew he'd get his ass kicked and put in a serious amount of
pain (maybe even broken limbs or death) he would do the "natural" thing. He
would surrender! He would (for the most part) NOT fight. Let's pretend he
did fight...every move he made would simply be a "test" of the other's
ability. (Think in terms of how women are as you read this.) In a war where
one side knows it's gonna get wiped out by the other. They "surrender" to
the more powerful!
The funny thing is this is what women WANT to do! It's in their DNA! All the
acting like she's hot and knows she's the shit and all the other "head up in
the air" stuff is a test to weed out all the men who are less powerful than
she and don't know their role as a MAN. If you take a guy who's got muscles
but acts weak, women pick up on this INSTANTLY and he is worse off than a
man with no muscles but who understands that HE is a real man. (This
explains why you sometimes see scrawny men with babes.) If you look at all
the romance novels it's simply about a woman finding a man who thinks, acts,
and behaves like a MAN who lives his "role" of a MAN instinctually. Think
almost animalistic here: The difference between a shaking puppy dog in the
corner and the buffed rottweiler who can tear up anything that gets in his
way. The whole bad boy thing is simply about a guy who's not afraid (i.e..
not a shaking puppy dog in the corner). And women are instinctually (because
of men and women's "roles") attracted to this. This is just a new way of
looking at the whole picture that makes it easier for my mind to act
accordingly.
Flyer (Commenting to Linda): Okay, I also caught that Stern show that had
that guy Steve who went out with Playboy Playmate and former Baywatch babe
Erika Elaniak. I don't mean to be a wet blanket, but I prefer to use common
sense. We really don't know the situation here. But to me, I get the feeling
that
in America, the women who are Playboy Playmates and appear in TV shows
who are absolutely beautiful are indeed the most self-absorbed, vain,
parasitical women on the fucking planet. Perhaps this wheelchair guy had
good cocaine?? Yeah?? Any wheelchair guy could get a lot of beautiful
women with this. Additionally, too, let's explore the possibility that Ms.
Elaniak's sexuality may be shut down, and how convenient she dates a guy who
can't get an erection!. I WOULD GIVE ANYTHING TO BE WRONG. I would really
love the idea that in America, an HB who's looks are compatible with Erika
Elaniak's could be attracted to someone who is not a famous rock musician,
movie director / actor, or coke dealer. Perhaps we should test this theory.
Anyone care to get a wheelchair and hang out at the beach??
JTB: I hate to tell you this but I am off the market probably fo a while. My
girl Alley and I have spent the last five days all wrapped up making googoo
eyes and shit. . I'm still in shock. This week I have permanently written
off Christina, Jodie, and Angela from Alabama who was flying in Friday for
the weekend-all
nixed. Hey, is this gonna get me tossed out of the club???:) Anyway, if you
have time this is a good story in itself. I have been hawking Alley for at
least 16-18 months. All my friends in the club kept telling me "stay away
from that bitch, she's a freak, she's a player, etc etc." Coincidentally,
her friends were telling her the same thing about me! I tried everything, we
went to Panther games, I made dinner, did this and that and all my normal
avenues to fuck a stripper just did not fucking get me anywhere...but there
was this thing in her eyes that I refused to give up on even though my best
friends were laughing at me and telling me I was being played. Enter her
best friend Felicia. Felicia is married with a sterling rep and quite
beautiful so I decided that if I couldn't have Alley then by God
I was gonna grudgefuck Felicia for the sheer fun of it. About two weeks ago
Felicia told Alley she was in love and considering leaving her
husband...well well well. Alley flew into the most wonderfully inspired
jealous tirade I have ever seen and all of a sudden.... Anyway, the first
nite we were alone after that I threw everything in the arsenal at her
including connections/fascination/falling in
love, poetry, et.al. and she dropped. My point here is...Alley has a son
that she is very devoted too. I had made this point before on the SS list
about how strippers with one kid, if they are a loving and devoted parent
are susceptible to connection patterns. I believe there are exceptions to
the "stripper" rules. As you know, I have been pretty much devoted to that
cause for the last three years and have successfully used IC/fascination
themes with strippers who have "one" child that they are very close too-this
doesn't take long to find out. Strippers with two kids, however, I have
found to be too emotionally drained at this point to use this routine
on...example-Felicia has two kids and a very boring hubby at home so I took
her on a little mental vacation and kept pouring it on till she couldn't
resist any longer. Bottom line, my new girl is not a player and she is very
inexperienced but very good material to work with. So, I guess what I'm
trying to say is that you can't fall into the trap of absolutisms believing
everything you hear and read. Discover for yourself, dude. Let me also
report that the couple is living a total fantasy right now and I'm happier
than I've been in years.
Nick: In response to Elroy's question concerning the woman I made feel
penetration psychically, she was 500 miles away at the time I did this, &
she called me also she was talking to me about how much she loves me etc.,
etc. I never embedded the suggestion to her about feeling my c*ck inside
her, rather she was telling me that she wanted to suck my c*ck so I started
to visualize making her feel that I was banging her. Hence the result
was her reacting shocked telling me that she felt as if I were f*cking her.
There are many other things I have not listed concerning Psychic Sexual
Command & Elroy you are totally correct I have had years of training my mind
& have very focused visualization honed from years of sorcery work. It is
also true that I have always lived in a social structure & personal life
that is firmly rooted in the belief that such powers exist & can be tapped
into. But I believe that anyone can tap into the power PSC provided they
use the proper altered
states & that is where NLP comes into play. By using NLP technology we
can install the proper altered states of consciousness that allow full
access
to PSI abilities. The Alpha state of consciousness is what causes the PSI
activities to occur. Through the proper use of NLP we can program ourselves
& anchor that mental state to be used automatically for PSC purposes or
other
Psychic influence applications.
I believe this is how Shamans have continued this skill for centuries; the
beating of their drums, the shaking of the rattle, etc. are all anchors that
intensify the altered state used to create psychic phenomenon. There are
many examples of this in many cultures, from the West Indies where one finds
Voodoo possession & its unexplainable feats to the East Indies where Indian
Fakirs walk on glowing hot coals & never receives a singe from doing so.
They all have their special methods of attaining these altered states & so
NLP can be a key factor in helping us achieve some level of Psychic
Influence capabilities. We don't need to walk on water or on hot coals but
we sure can learn to influence minds psychically. Thus I look forward to
attending one of Ross's Psychic Influence training seminars I know that the
mighty Guru Ross has linked to some more practical means of achieving the
same end that I & others before me have done for many centuries now.
Bruce: Get a new prop; a "wheel chair"? Could work, tell them your an
experi-mental case and could possibly walk soon with enough lower body
stimulation with a new experimental procedure that she could help take a
part in. It would be a great contribution to science if you would simply...
Halbster (Commenting on the wheelchair): I used to have a friend Ben who was
legally deaf. He wore hearing aids. When he was underaged he got into bars
by pretending he couldn't hear when they asked him for ID. Then he would
pretend to sign and talk like a deaf person. He didn't know sign language
and his speech was fine. Once inside the bar if an HB didn't respond
positively he'd say "I understand lots of other woman feel the same way
about deaf men." Then he'd fuck them shortly afterward. However, Ben was
also a good looking guy with a great personality. He really knew how to use
his handicap. Everyone around him felt like saying "No fair we can hear.
You have an unfair advantage."
My Comment: I think I remember you talking about this guy on the SS list
before. Must be a whole system out there for sympathy seductions...
Brother Marcus Surrealius: This is totally off the cuff, since I don't know
this fellow, but I imagine that having something so drastic happen as not
walking would present an opportunity to get in touch with something more
real than most of us deal with on a daily basis--how fragile and precious
life is. He reminds me of a roommate I had in college who had throat cancer.
His doctors couldn't get the cancer out of his throat in one go, so they had
him wear a small plug in his neck. They could then remove tumors every six
months without opening him up again. Aside from the very attractive ribbon
he tied round his neck to keep the plug and plate secure, he really had an
edge to his personality that everyone liked. It came from facing death every
few months. He always had at least one woman in his life or wanting to be.
Fortunately, one need not expose oneself to danger in such a way in order to
get the benefits of such a present, attentive-to-the-here-and-now
perspective.
Mystery: Basically what all this scientific talk, philosophy talk, and
paranormal talk among PUA's (Pick Up Artists) tells us is that the majority
of PUAs are actually rather intelligent individuals who have researched
social
interests. The debate is a healthy one but again, not for this list. Let's
simply say that the debate is not one of the stupid ones versus the smart
ones or vice versa. This is an intellectual debate and that is good news
for PUAs everywhere. This shows that PUAs are in fact intellectuals and a
few logical fallacies here and there aside, our communication skills and
level of thought is high enough to even bother pondering such things above
simple EAT SLEEP FUCK necessities. Aside from some opinion conflicts,
really it's all a moot point because I would
enjoy the company of anyone of you. I talked with Ross on the phone and
while he and I may differ on certain points on this off-topic debate, it DID
reveal that I am among a pretty elite group of like-minded intellectuals.
We are using BRAINS to get what we want out of life - we take our LIVES into
our own hands and don't simply accept what our parents have given us and
complain that we aren't good looking enough and excuse ourselves from
bettering our skills to attract women. There you go: I am off to LA and
would very much enjoy meeting any of you guys ... so far any of the people
I've met off the net have been not just acceptable people but rather very
cool guys who I would call
friends of mine and not just fellow PUAs. I think we went beyond that
once we realized we had such similar interests :)
Poetdude (Also commenting on the wheelchair): This is intriguing --
multifaceted phenomenon, to be sure. Been thinking about a similar thing; I
call it the "Melrose Place" effect (or just "Melrosing" for short). What
makes shows like Melrose Place (and other soaps) so irresistible? Well, you
have all these obviously very attractive people on the show. We all find
them sexually desirable, but not just that -- most of us find them more
attractive than we are.
Superior. A reach. On the other hand, their lives are incontrovertibly
fucked up -- each character has more issues than a lifetime subscription to
Newsweek. Which allows us to feel superior to them, because clearly we are
better-adjusted. I believe this combination of antagonistic feelings has an
irresistible effect on people. Perceived perfection turns people off, or at
least intimidates them (maybe the reason why extremely beautiful women do
not get hit on), but add to that a little bit of easily observed
imperfection -- messy clothes, runny nose, whatever -- and bingo! Enhanced
desirability and approachability. Now how does this apply to the
quadriplegics? There are many dualities you can latch on to, but a simple
one is, Hey, this guy has to overcome a pretty huge obstacle just to go
about normal life -- pretty damn impressive (superiority). But I can scale
a staircase, and he can't (inferiority). Now you can theorize all you want
about whether this is true at all, and if so, how does it work (the
oscillation between the two states of attraction-repulsion slams them into
trance and plops them zombie-like in your lap, if you wish), but can this be
applied? Sure. The only advantage wheelchair dude has is that his
strength/flaw is immediately
obvious without need for questioning. But do you have strengths (everyone
say 'awwww yeaaaah')? Do you have vulnerabilities? Can you make others
perceive them? There's a lot going on here -- perceived helplessness,
appealing to the bleeding-heart side of some people, etc. In the end, we
all want to feel important, while hanging out with someone who's cool
enough. Wheelchair dude satisfies both criteria, while a creature of
perfection will merely make you feel inadequate.
Joseph (Commenting on the guy "who had all these women after him simply
because of the wheelchair. "She doesn't like me. It's the damn chair" he
would say to his envious friends. What do you all have to say about this
phenomena?"): It could be a chance to showoff/practice their mothering
skills. I've seen that kind of scenario before and all the other women said
was that she was "so good" and "had a good heart." I don't know how true it
is but she seemed to like to get praise for something other than her looks.
Joseph (Commenting on the dating TV shows): You should check out Blind Date
& Change of Heart. Chic Logic @ its finest: On yesterday's Change of Heart
some chick went out with her guy twice and had her mom lie to her bf and say
she was sleeping. She almost did him on the hood of his car, which means
she did him because you always have to take it with at least a step further
than chix will admit. Then she had a change of heart at the end because SHE
said "relationships are about trust and I can't trust you."--hehe. On Blind
Date today the first chick was a vet assistant and actually brought a
freaking dog on the date. It wasn't a little puppy, the thing was dragging
her around. Then she said she wouldn't go out with the guy again because HE
had insecurity problems. The second chic was wannabe comedian and used
the show as an audition.
She wanted this guy to tell her how hilarious she was. A complete disaster.
Typical exchange: F-I am the most pleasurable person to be around. M-How
can you, in any way, be pleasurable? F-Did you just say that? He blows out
and I thought they'd leave, but they go to a cigar joint, argue more, then
end the date. He screwed up by not ending the date first.
Joseph: I remember a couple of guys were talking about ss-vacations. Have
they been to Iceland? Its not as cold as the name would indicate and they
have
some of the most beautiful women in the world, many of them (natural)
blondes if that makes a difference.
John: Have you seen the movie Magnolia yet? Tom Cruise plays, in a sense,
Ross! In the movie, he plays a seduction guru named T.J. who holds
conventions complete with the heading: 'cause no pussy has more than 9
lives." 'T.J.' differs from Ross, though, in that T.J. is more 'against'
women, which is later ascribed to his anger with his father-- or something
like that. Also, no hint of NLP but there are mentions of 'turning friends
into your sperm receptacles and even a blue book. Anyway, the movie itself
was complicated, and my friends and I came into the movies about 15 minutes
later. No one really knew why I was laughing the whole time the seduction
bit was on. Quite an interesting movie.
My Comment: I haven't seen it. Ross has and he loved it, but I have gotten
other reports that it is a bit dreary. I have a feeling I'll wait for it to
be out on video.
Gary (Commenting on http://yourpenis.com/">Click here: YourPenis.com Natural
Penile Enlargement Website... Voted #1 By Health Web 2000): I would like to
hear that this works also. Who wouldn't? I am a bit skeptical though as the
site is all boasting claims and no substance. Looking at the testimonials
section, I recognized that some of the pictures have been around the net for
several years. This didn't do much to lower my BS meter. Who knows, maybe it
really does work and those finding themselves with extra inches are
compelled to show the world? On the positive side, the site is very fast
and it doesn't take long to forward through all the pages. Even the pictures
download very fast.
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