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Rodd is looking for people in London, England to get together with to learn
and sarge.  If interested, hit "Reply" to this and let me know.


JT's Rules for Being a Regular at a Strip Club:
Rule No. 1: Take care of the bartenders
Rule No. 2: Depending on your level of success, the bartenders will
eventually turn on you.
Rule No. 3: Hang on to your cash. I don't get table dances and I only tip
girls onstage if they are fucking extraordinary. But you have to have a hook
when you go to tip them. You could leave them $20 and they may ignore you
the rest of the night if they notice you're not getting dances. I'll walk up
and as soon as I make first eye contact STOP, and project that they have
affected me in some mysterious way and then launch into " You know that
sensation just before you step into a hot steamy bath, and you can feel
...................well, that's exactly
what I felt when I first looked into your eyes, Hi, my name's Freeqshow" : )
Point to where you're standing at the bar and invite her over...she won't be
long but she'll want to freshen her makeup first. I don't buy dances for
myself but if a girl is hanging out with me I'll buy a dance for a total
stranger somewhere in the near vicinity....and try not to watch.  They know
you're watching but they won't catch you if you're cool and for some weird
reason they get a kick out of this. Your generosity to her and a complete
stranger will make an impression. I've had
guys pick up my entire tab as a result so it might not cost you anything.
Oh yeah, I always tip $5 to the girls onstage....and make sure they see the
money. Otherwise they put you in the same category as the losers with their
$1's. You want to create some separation between you and the next guy
without going deep into the hole. Keep the conversation lively but not loud
or boisterous. Be aloof, let your eyes wander while you're going through
your routine, and if you find out she has a kid launch immediately into
connection/fascination/little girl/ time
distortion....don't worry about the SS rules, if they have one kid and
not polar interrupters you won't have any problems.


>Mystery: "The Kiss Close" is my favorite routine.  Once you have three
>indicators of interest (she touches you, laughs consistently at your
>leans in towards you, smiles a lot and keeps eye contact, resumes chat
>you force silence, etc) you then phase shift.  You turn 180 degrees on a
>dime.  Go from humorous and non-sexual to saying, "Stop.  Would you like
>kiss me?", right out of the blue.

I agree; the sudden shifting without a lead in will generate a genuine
response, at least for a moment before she tries to cover up again.
Sometimes, when I meet a woman, and have good rapport, I will suddenly look
at her as if the thought JUST popped into my head and say, "Are you seeing
anyone you really like? Someone who's with you in the way you TRULY want
them to be?"  The response is always VERY powerful...they are impressed with
the CASUAL directness. My best is that Mys asks very matter of factly...NOT
dripping with sexual tonality, but matter of fact Mys, that is a CRUCIAL
detail, so don't leave it out!
>Mystery: I have MUCH better results (and MUCH more fun) playing "The Game"
>alone.  It forces you to approach.  It's a great motivator.

I agree here; UNLESS I'm with a young, attractive woman who acts as both
bait and as a "stamp of approval". Then it gets MUCH easier.
>Mystery: Be a story-teller - THAT is the skill of the PUA.  It isn't
>SEDUCING; it's STORY-TELLING.  It is my personal belief that SS patterns
>aren't as 'hypnotic' as they are 'entertaining' stories.

Well, yes and no. You MUST be entertaining, but they are MORE than stories.
They contain metaphors for the direction you want their minds to SLIIIIIIIDE
into.  But he's right about being entertaining.
>Wakeboarder: Sweet
>Most hot girls gets get "sex-talk" right away from AFCs.  NOT
>talking sex with them makes them question whether you are interested in
>them.  Leave them guessing until you get indicators of interest from them.
>If they like your great personality (confident, humorous, etc) they will
>give you subtle but distinct clues.

Good point; let them see you ARE different.
>Mystery: If there is ONE mental state you should force yourself into, it's
>TALKATIVE.  Talk your fucking HEAD off.  Just go from one story straight
>into another one like a comedian does.  Ever find yourself excited about
>something and you talk and talk and talk?  THAT is what must happen to get
>girl.  You have to ENTERTAIN them.  Look talkative yet not desperate.

Yeah, well you have to know when to shut up, show curiosity and ASK
THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AS WELL.   But damnit, it's hard doing all this
>Mystery: They don't have to interact with it.  It's a good thing to have
>flexible stories to allow for some comment but it's not necessary.  It's
>YOUR job to perform the material.  It's your audience's job to listen,
>and generally be entertained.  That's it.  At the end of 10 minutes you
>see the girls digging you (positive indicators).  You then phase shift
>abruptly into the close.

I'd rather shift into asking some questions about them, SEEING HOW
THEY RESPOND, so I can closely evaluate WHO SHE IS.  Mys, if all you are
doing is talking, how are you learning anything about THEM as people, except
their level of interest in you? Or is that all you need to see..they are hot
and they want you? I'm assuming this is fine if you don't want more in a
roll in the
hay......but I find asking the right questions DEEPENS the rapport and
attraction inside of them while I get to learn about them based on their
answers and whether I want to pursue something further. Then again, I DON'T
WORK CLUBS AND YOU DO! I only go to a club that has dancing WHEN I ALREADY
>Mystery: Like a good comedian, have your material prepared yet when
>be prepared to dynamically omit certain routines and to add others on the
>fly.  Sometimes certain routines fit the situation better than others.
>3 to 5 alternative openers (as a comedian would) and enjoy performing the
>one you think best fits the situation will get the best reaction for the
>group you are in front of.

Again, where in all these "routines" comes the questions that deepen the
rapport, tell you about who SHE IS at deeper levels than her surface
appearance and responses AND allow you to evaluate her on more than her
looks and interest in the moment? I missing something here?
>, you need to go from the walk up to the TALKATIVE performer
>entertaining story-teller.

Ask questions about her that require her to open deeper-level structures in
>  You will need A LOT of energy for this
>(enthusiasm is contagious after all) and for many to go from slumping
>to being in performer mode is ABRUPT

Yes; you DO need lots of energy to be always on. If you rely more on what
SHE gives you in her responses, it requires much LESS energy; more like an
Akido master completely relaxed and loose tossing a dozen opponents around
and not even breaking a sweat instead of having to hop around doing a
million hits a second.
>Mystery: The quality of a woman is SO subjective. Quality is difficult to
>QUANTIFY.  80% of QUALITY?  It's pointless trying to mix and match these
>concepts. INSTEAD consider that there are HOTTIES and UGs (YOU get to
>based on your personal criteria) and of the HOTTIES, some have pleasant
>personalities and others do not.  You cannot possibly judge her
>until she LIKES you.

Actually, you can't judge her personality unless you know what to observe.
Her responses to you are just RESPONSES........whether she is attracted or
not. That tells you LITTLE about her personality.
>  So go out ... FIND her, MEET her, ATTRACT her and THEN
>decide if you want to CLOSE her AFTER judging her personality.  Judging
>by the way she treats you on your approach is lame because particularly
>beautiful women all have their bitch shields up and running.

Judging where her responses to you will go based on how she treats the
initial approach is not wise, because yes, most have their bitch shield up
and running...IN CLUBS especially. And that is one of the prime problems of
going fishing in a pond with cautious fish. And one reason why I avoid
clubs.  But Mys is correct on this, accept you don't ever really get to
judge her personality as far as I can tell from his approach. You can judge
if she's going to fuck you, but that's not the same thing.  Not at all.
>Mystery: No matter what social status you have (or THINK you have), it's
>still something you must convey in the first 25 minutes of meeting her.
>ALL start equal BEFORE meeting her; all men.  The issue is, can we
>congruently convey our social status (real or not) in our performance?

How about; can we convey our concept of who we are...the kind of MAN
that we are? What does it say about a man who wants, even INSISTS on
learning a bit about the WOMAN, over and above whether she's attracted to
him?  Versus one that is ONLY looking for positive sexual responses? What
kind of woman are you going to attract with one versus the other?

NOT the same as learning about her personality. Please don't confuse them.
And you can do both; it need not be either/or.
Let me just clarify one more thing, so you guys take my comments about Mys
in context: MYS definitely has "got game".  When it comes to clubs, I'm
talking THEORY; Mystery has the experience. In a club, he'd mop the floor
with me, although I'd put Rick H.(my student who banged 5 girls at once!) up
against him and eagerly watch the results of that contest.(Rick has met Mys
and agrees; he's got game.
My point is that observing a woman's level of interest tells you NOTHING
about her personality. You aren't likely to learn that until AFTER you've
banged her, using what Mys is teaching you, and that is PERFECTLY FINE if
that is what you want. GO FOR IT! And enjoy......
I think you CAN insert another step, involving asking the right questions,
as Bishop does if you've read his Bishop's Journal or followed his posts on
my list.

My other point is; I DON'T LIKE CLUBS! I don't like drunk, drugged
people. I DON'T LIKE LOUD NOISE! YUCCH! I  don't like the way my body
feels when I am STILL on my feet at 2 am. It ain't for me, for reasons OTHER
than the HB dynamics that it poses. I see more pretty girls on the bike path
100 feet from my window or at the bar, having dinner at Cheesecake Factory
or at the take out line at CPK (California Pizza Kitchen). They aren't on
guard,  I don't have to pay a cover charge, wait in line, put up with loud
noise, dim lights, drunks and drugged folks and they are MUCH easier to
Why fucking go to a club? Sorry...I just DON'T get it....
Sarge on!


>Topics Include:
>Clubbing alone
>Wakeboarder: I need to be made fun of for this comment but I feel like a
>wiener if I go to a club myself
>Lego: Bro, your trippin'. I go solo many times. It's good actually.  It's
>weird if it's a first night but if I've been there before it's cool.
>Mystery: Yeah, I understand ... and yet, staying home alone will make you
>feel so much better?  Go out alone, meet some cool dudes when you get
>(they will become your wingmen there) and then run around getting #'s.
>Report to your fellow PUAs what happened.  Whatever happened to the
>"The alphamale gets all the women?"  Shit dude, what are you, a mommas
>Do you need your hand held?

If you're really at this stage, trying to learn what's working & what's not,
and why sometimes it's better to go out alone and sometimes better to go out
with friends, you need to get into a lot more situations, and gather tons
more feedback.
Find or ask a woman friend to go with you; women will ALMOST ALWAYS find you
more attractive when it appears to them that you're considered
valuable & cool by other women.  Some women are more likely to show it
when you're with other women, some women are less likely to show it.  You
have to learn how to read the myriad signals you'd receive & when & how to
act on them.
If you would have thought this is a hard thing to do, it ain't.  Ask a
happily married (or dating) couple you know well if you can borrow the lady
of the pair for a night out, helping YOU to flirt.  Chances are she'll jump
at the opportunity for a SAFE & DIFFERENT night out than she's used to
having, without risking her secure lifestyle.  BTW this works even better if
they've been trying to set you up with people already.  LOL!
Then make the entirety of the evening about your flirting habits. You'll get
GREAT feedback, she'll have a good time helping a friend, and everyone wins.


The July issue of Loaded magazine has an article
about French clubs that I found interesting.  It has a listing of about 40
sex clubs with addresses and phone numbers so guys like Nathan who live in
and others who visit might want to swing by, if they already haven't.  The
current Gear magazine "Sex, Drugs, & RocknRoll" has an article about the
Man Show & female ejaculation if anyone is interested. :)

Last week I went to that dream workshop at Borders put on by
was ok, kind of religious/culty but they did have a couple of dream
exercises from a book called "The Art of Spiritual Dreaming."  One of the
concepts was the dream Hourglass.  Which says that our unconscious is like
the top half of an hourglass and that we employ a 'dream filter' which only
permits our conscious a few grains of our mental/creative/spiritual
potential at a time.  We also did an exercise with a partner (mine was a
40ish married woman who I presume was a 'member').  We were to imagine
ourselves walking in our preferred surroundings while asking ourselves
questions like "What is my next step (in life)?"  We then were to imagine
ourselves receiving something on this journey from someone of significance
in our lives.  Nothing really came of that for me.  During the next
exercise, which I think has some promise as a PU, we were to remove an
article from our pockets and relate it to our journey/life.  My partner
removed a ticket stub from that Bruce Willis movie and we decided it was her
'ticket' to a new
phase in her life: her kids are now in secondary school (teenagers) and are
no longer children and her relationship with her family is changing as a
result.  I removed my Wells Fargo student check card with the image of a
horse drawn carriage, mountains in the horizon, and a setting sun.  I
responded that it represents the next phase of my life, me leaving something
behind and going on a journey like the colonists headed out west. She asked
my about my major (finance) and commented: "That could take you ANYWHERE!"
I glanced at the shelf behind us (we were seated in the last row at the back
of the store) and noticed we were surrounded by the store's language section
and incorporated it into the exercise.  There was a general discussion
before the exercises by some members of the Houston chapter and a 40ish
woman I found attractive made eye contact and I locked on her right eye and
didn't break contact until after she did and repeated it after she finished
her section (thanx Shade).  After we did the exercises the workshop finished
and I was saying goodbye to my partner and she came up to her (they were
friends). I didn't know they knew each other. She went to go say hi to my
partner's husband who had just shown up while I put down the book and got
ready to leave.  She was directly in front of me about 12 ft away and walked
right up to me and said: "Hi, I'm Holly.  I saw you look at me during the
workshop and thought 'Wow, he's very intense.' And knew I had to come over
and meet you." She asked about my exercise and I told her about the card &
language section & put it in her hand to get her into it.  I also said how
being here opened me up to "look at things in an entirely different ways"
while still holding her hand.  I had to jet home for a friend's birthday
later that evening so I wound it up and she asked if I had filled out an
info sheet (which I did) and she pointed out the center's address and
website on the board and said she hoped to see me in the future while I
shook her hand and she did the 2-hand shake putting her hand over mine, I
reciprocated we both said bye while using the other's name and I left.

>Craig:  Put a little bit of cologne behind your ear and when you are in
>a loud place and the girl has to talk in your ear she will smell it and
>horny (Credit: Diamond D)

Mystery: Consider putting FEMALE perfume on.  A real sweet perfume so that
when she mentions it you say, "what smell?  ooooh, yeah I was getting
molested by a girlfriend of mine ... what is it?  Dewberry?  I love it."
The concept of putting a smell behind your ear is VERY GOOD.  This subtly
will increase your chances with the girl I'm certain.


Re: Mystery's full-on attention then takeaway technique. I learned about
that in  Psyche 101 - the Stimulus-Response experiments where the
researcher's started off rewarding a behavior every time then went to
randomly rewarding the same behavior - it builds obsessive-compulsive
behavior. When you think about it, it's pretty common in our society -
gambling addictions, affair/sex addictions, Magick (if I do this same thing
again, then maybe same outcome will happen again). I also learned this
technique in a Flirting class - the teacher was a gal and was pretty upfront
that it was a last ditch effort due to its manipulativeness for bar pickups.
Women know this technique and joke about it: 'How are men like linoleum? -
answer: lay 'em right the first time and you can walk on 'em forever!'
Have been pondering something my brother observed and passed on to me: 'Each
woman thinks her pussy is the best and how could you ever leave hers for
someone else's???'. I think its a bit deeper than that (harhahrharhar!) but
am still thinking about the ramifications and levels of that remark...


Regarding the art if indifference, if I remember my F. J. Shark book, it
said the opposite of love was not hate, it was indifference. Thus
indifference being something very powerful, part of what the "jerk" uses in
his arsenal. The book I read recently talks about being passive -- it's
cornerstone idea is that playing the lounge lizard, lecherous type is not
going to get you anywhere. There are some interesting ideas in the book that
I think touch on the art of indifference. . . . But that doesn't mean the
book is going to get one an HB. One issue I'm not sure I
agree on is where the book talks about "letting her decide. . ." etc., which
means a lot of non-HB's could be deciding to want you, hence, you not
getting the caliber of babes in your life.


David Shade:
Would I teach SS to my own sons?  I had the honor of meeting Ross at a
Major Mark Hypnosis seminar.  During one of the breaks, Ross and I were
talking in the hall.  He asked me how old my sons are.  I said "They are 14
and 10."  He said "Are you going to teach them SS?"  All I could think about
was my sons reading my sarges on the SS list, so I said "No, but I am going
to teach them that they are the prize, that they have a choice, and how to
properly select a mate."  Later I thought to myself "Why the HELL did I say
THAT?! And to the Master Guru himself! Augh!"  So I asked myself "Why
WOULDN'T I teach SS to my sons?"  Well, let's see.  I don't want them to
think I'm a dog.  But I'm not a dog and they know that.  I don't want them
to think I treat women with anything less than the utmost respect.  I
certainly teach them to treat women with respect, especially their mother.
They know that they would be in very big trouble with me if they ever
disrespected their mother, even though she hurt me terribly years ago.  I
don't want them to think that it's all about just getting laid.  So I asked
myself "What was the REAL purpose for my getting into SS?"  Who wouldn't be
drawn by the allure of getting laid like a Bishop?  What it was that I truly
sought was RAPPORT with women.  I wanted to be comfortable.  I wanted to
more fully
understand women.  I was tired of being shy.  I didn't want to make the same
mistake again.  I have a lot to share and I was tired of settling for less
than what it is that I honestly and truly believed would fulfill me.  Ross
started at the bottom.  Ross turned over every stone.  Ross carved the path
out of the thick jungle and paved it and showed us the way.  When I tell my
buddies at work about SS, they say "I couldn't see paying some guy to teach
me how to meet women!" and I say to them "Hey guys, very large major
corporations come to us with millions of
dollars to architect their computer systems because they don't yet have the
expertise to do it themselves. They can admit it. They are serious about
what they want. We have spent years becoming the experts at what we do. So
it makes perfect sense for me to invest a couple hundred dollars to finance
and benefit from the years of tireless research that will make me truly
happy."  So, for any skeptics out there, let me say this: thanks to SS, I
now walk through life no longer asking myself "Will she like me?" but
instead, I truly enjoy conversation with women
and I go about discovering if a particular woman is someone that I would
enjoy being with.  Thanks to SS, I am now in a relationship that is very
fulfilling.  And, thanks to some things I have learned from Major Mark, it
is exciting beyond what was my wildest imagination.  Hey, I just wanna be
happy and fulfilled.  And that's OK.  And that's exactly what I have always
wanted for my sons.  I have always taught my sons the things that I believe
in.  So HELL YES I'm going to teach them SS!  I'll just have to stop posting
to the SS list in a few years :-)


I recently went to Brazil about two weeks ago and got back this morning. My
travel made me realize a lot of things - about PU-ing. I don't speak
Portuguese so patterning was kind of out most of the time. I had to rely on
body language», Kino, eye contact, and my (cough) looks. In Belem they have
two malls, I went to the food court of one. I watched, as I had lunch, the
guys who had girlfriends - how they leaned in, how and where they touched
their girls - everything. The body language» is somewhat different, like the
okay sign down there is like using the finger. They use thumbs - up a lot.
On the plus side - everyone wears short shorts, sport bras, skin tight
clothing. If the women have it, you can see it.
Anyway, I had my work cut out for me. I need to let the women know that they
could get it from me. I developed a kind of slow swagger, one hand with the
thumb in the pocket, fingers pointing to my groin, the other swaying back
and forth or running my fingers through my hair. My shoulders had to be set
back a little, and my chin needed to be a little up. It was almost unnatural
to walk this arrogantly but then I realized that my old habits were formed
from years of not getting any. After figuring the walk I had to decide how
the approach was going to be. In Brazil, you can stare at a woman's butt and
breasts and it's normal. Nobody cares. It also fosters the you can look but
can't touch attitude. Making good eye contact was a must - no sunglasses.
The sun is pretty bright and the sand on the beaches reflects a lot. That's
going to make your pupils smaller, something you'd like to avoid. People are
everywhere, on the streets, everywhere. So I could avoid the beach anyway.
Finding them is not a problem.
After eye contact, a friendly smile, tilting my head to the side a bit -
then I walk over. I say something in English in a smooth tone of voice, like
" You have beautiful hair," then maybe run my fingers through it, making
good eye contact all the while. Not pyscho eye contact, but friendly warm
eye contact. Pause for a (very) brief second, and then talk one more time.
It really doesn't matter what you say then, but say something slowly, with
good tonality - as I do this, I reach down with my left hand and lightly
touch her about 2 inches above the hip, 1 inch over towards the belly
button. I check for her reaction - if she freaks at all, I point to my watch
(even if you don't have one motion to it)  and leave. If the reaction was
good I would lean in, touch a little more with my hand that's already
touching her and kiss at length. This may not be a option if you don't kiss
well. After this far I needed a way to continue. Business cards with your
hotel and room number and maybe a time on it could work. I've only used it a
little and had mixed results. After the kiss I'd leave - I doubt I could
make it right there, but if any of you guys have suggestions, hey, shout 'em
out. I'd love to learn from he pros.  This sort of approach worked pretty
well in Brazil.  I was told that there are 3 women to every man, so the
women are a little undersexed.  Maybe it's because they are nice people
(they really are) and don't mind idiots running around.

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Cliff’s Comment: The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from them doesn’t send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors of these sites consider setting this up — from the little experience I have had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you are missing a lot of business by not doing this):


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