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Mystery Hour
Sat, 19 Aug 2000 11:57:01 -0400

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Thanks to Mystery for all the following:
Mystery in the park
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I was sitting on a bench outside my building eating a snack and reading a
very interesting physics book when a little voice said behind me, "Hi."  I
said "Hi" and turned around.  It was a little kid on a bike who bothered to
stop and talk to me.  "Are you reading a book?"  I said, "Yeah, on and off."
The kid was maybe 10 or so.  He then showed me a wound on his leg.  "I
fell and cut myself."  "Oh man ...". I said about to say that he should get
it checked out and then he said, "I put some stuff on it already."  "Cool",
I replied.  "See ya later", he said and biked off.  I know in retrospect
that he wanted to talk with me because I am known in my building for having
been on TV before.  He wanted to say "Hi" and he did.  I learned a lot just
now
from this kid.  I knew how to OPEN a 1:1 situation and how to transition to
an unrelated topic.  Many PUA's can learn a great deal from the techniques
of
children.  I believe if we adults can simply do what kids do, we will be far
better off.

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Mystery's Stripper Rules
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(Thank you to Craig for raising the subject of strippers to me.)

RULE: Don't let a stripper dance for you.

The minute a stripper dances for you (for money), you become their customer
and they don't fuck their customers.  DON'T let her dance for you - unless
it's
for free.

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RULE: Don't stale out the room.

Don't stay in the club too long.  30 minutes ought to be enough time to do
what you set out to do.  Only extend that time if you are already in a good
conversation with a stripper.  Initiate a chat faster standing than sitting.
Approach a sitting two-set and convey enthusiasm.  Be more exciting than any
other guy was the entire evening.


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RULE: Enthusiasm is contagious.

Act enthused about something that happened to you and so will they.  E.g.:
"Oh
my God, guess where we just were?  You really missed out hanging here all
this time ..."


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RULE: Convey that your day has been INCREDIBLE and then proceed to explain
WHY.

Convey that meeting her is completely secondary.  "NOTHING can wreck this
day!"  Her day was boring compared to yours.  When explaining why you had
more fun, paint a picture that makes her wish she was with you.  "I met and
hung out with Brad Pitt.  He was really a cool guy."

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RULE: Don't buy a stripper a drink.  Don't buy ANYONE a drink.  Don't buy
anyone ANYTHING.  Buying things are for good friends and lovers.

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RULE: Have a performer image.

Appeal to the performer in them.  Use Mystery's PHOTO ROUTINE because they
are so bored in there a little look at some pix in your pocket is welcome.
Let the photos convey you to be a very social and very cool guy.  Talk about
the excitement of being on stage - identifying with their fears on stage.
Get them to think OUTSIDE of the club.  When leading their imagination, lead
them into DAYLIGHT not NIGHT.  Most guys think NIGHT only and convey only
this.

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RULE: At some point, matter of factly explain that you are well aware that
all this is bullshit (pointing to the whole concept of men getting off on
strippers) ... it's just an entertainment form and can make good money.
Then
... drop the subject and don't talk about her world again.  Now bring her to
YOUR DAYLIGHT WORLD through imaginative storytelling.


RULE: Once she is out to the cafe or food place after, THEN you go VAMPIRE
WORLD on her.  Strippers generally LOVE the vampire romance shit.  Many
enjoy alternative lifestyles and ideas.   Consider learning about Wicca
because many consider themselves Wiccan or Pagan.  Don't get suckered into
BELIEVING any of the shit of course, but know the basics to bullshit.

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RULE: Use a lot of humour.  Make her laugh.  Laughter is a drug.

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RULE: Don't HIT on her.

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RULE: Don't compliment her anatomy.

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RULE: Treat all strippers as 10's and use a few NEGS as strippers are in a
mental state of control while in their own territory.  She may only be an 8
in real life but while she works she is the boss and therefore a 10.

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RULE: Be slick on the CLOSE and be ready to give her a challenge.  Don't be
too aggressive.  Don't ASK for the number - instead lead them to ask you!
"Our knowing each other has nothing to do with this club.  I'm going to the
IHOP for a bite after - let's continue this conversation there but don't
expect
much from me - I'm just hungry."  Tell her that even though you aren't a
customer (you are friends with the DJ), you don't want to exchange numbers
inside the club - that way you can tell people you met at IHOP after her
work.
This club has nothing to do with you and her.  Tell her to join you outside
of the club to exchange numbers and only when she is in street clothes.


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RULE: Don't get HORNY.

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RULE: Most strippers are open-minded and believe in incredulous concepts
such as ESP and ghosts.  Use this for very interesting 'supernatural'
conversation threads.  Since many strippers believe themselves to be Pagan
(and alternative religion), consider wearing a pentacle.  Most strippers
prefer rock music and long hair on a guy but some like dance music and short
hair.  Know which of the two generic stripper types you are talking to.
It's
pretty obvious which is which.

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RULE: Be BIG.  Strive to be the center of attention.  Don't think that the
quiet seduction will work in the club.  No sexual shit in the club.  Once
you have intrigued her enough to join you, she's already decided she likes
you.

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RULE: Make her think that you think she wants you.  Assume this and then be
a challenge.

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RULE: Connect by having a "I live my life one day at a time' attitude.  This
is to mirror their lifestyle.  They ALL live life this way.

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RULE: Connect using, "So many people are so judgmental about things.  You
seem really open and fun."

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RULE: Smile all the time.  Smile when you walk in and keep it going until
you leave.

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RULE: Don't drink.

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RULE: If a stripper asks, "Would you like a dance?"  Don't answer the
question.  Instead, pattern interrupt her with, "Oh man, I'm not even HERE
... I just got back from a party where Brad Pitt was there.  What a great
Guy."

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A Brief Q and A with Mystery on Stripper and Club PUA
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Q: Do you find, staying sober in clubs is the best way to insure PUA skills?

A: Real pick up artists don't drink.  Clear and simple.  They may choose to
ACT drunk at times, but that's it.

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Q: One factor I've had in the past, both in regular clubs AND strip clubs,
is that I feel a BOREDOM factor.  BTDT =  "Been There, Done That."

A: Think how BTDT the girls must feel.  It's YOUR job to take them away from
this and interrupt their repetition.  When you feel bored, decide to attempt
a crash and burn (crash and learn) - this is when you notice a situation
that looks impossible like a girl is with a guy.  Approach and meet the guy.
That'll keep you from being bored.

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Q: Doesn't anyone else feel this Boredom and nervous feeling about clubs?
How can I REFRAME this - so I can go to these fishing grounds confident and
productive?

A: You are only bored because you aren't approaching.  Meet PEOPLE.  Not
only 10s, but meet them ALL.  Make the club YOUR CLUB.

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Q: Since I have a photographer friend, is this a good approach? I.e.:  I can
get you hooked up for modeling work?  Are you interested?  Isn't this a
standard Ross Approach?

A: Ross or not, too many people use the "Are you a model" approach,
especially in LA.  Not only that, but the particularly gorgeous girls
already ARE models.  Consider bringing pix with you and have the girl enjoy
looking through them with you (Mystery's Photo Routine).  This is good, but
don't suggest taking photos of her until you have a reason to - like you are
already getting along with her.

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Q: Is this Modeling approach so cliche, so overused by AFCs - that girls
reject it?  Fact: I get that disbelieving attitude often and it hasn't
worked well for me.  If so,  any new way TO REFRAME the old  "Modeling jobs"
PU for success?

A: Don't bother with the modeling job PU - it's AFC.  It doesn't convey
your personality.  It instead promises something you have no reason to give
except that you want to fuck her.  Why convey that?  By the fact that this
approach hasn't worked for you, you should already have your answer.  Just
show some pix you took.  Not a portfolio.  Make it look impromptu like you
just got them developed today.  This is how one uses photos to convey
personality.

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Q: As time goes on - to me - these clubs get LOUDER AND LOUDER.  I hate the
ringing in my ears so I have sometimes worn earplugs.  Then I feel like a
LOSER with something (somewhat visible in my ear).  Are earplugs considered
a sign of a Loser?  In strip clubs, with the volume factor, I rarely sit
in the front (at the stage).  Is the stage the best place to start in a
strip club - because you're more visible?

A: My stripper ex-girlfriends (XGFs) all called that area "Pervert's Alley".
Sit further back - NEVER sit in the alley.  When a stripper approaches you,
immediately be interesting by changing the subject to, "Did you know Elvis
dyed his hair?"  Notice how you are answering her "Would you like a dance?"
with a completely off the wall topic.  You ZIG and ZAG the conversation this
way.  Don't give her the stereotypical conversation threads she expects from
the next 100 guys she talks to.  Entertain her this way.  Stay away from
asking about HER.  Talk about YOU.  NEG's are good.  Nails and Hair NEG's
are good.  "Are those nails real?  No?  Oh.  Well ... they're still nice :)"
Then (NEVER get a dance from a girl you WANT) get her OUT of the place.
Remind her that you are NOT her customer.  Tell her you are friends with the
DJ or something and just came to visit.  This will put her guard down.  You
sound like you are already IN.  "Oh I'm not a customer."

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Q: If you sit at the stage, do you have to at least tip $1 bills to not look
like a total loser?

A: DO NOT sit at the stage - that's a loser thing to do.  Hang with the DJ -
meet him by asking him a bunch of questions like, "Hey dude, how did he
become a DJ.  How do I get a gig like this?"  Then hang with him.  Build
rapport.  He is your IN.

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Q: Can a PUA NOT tip at all and still be neutral for picking up women?

A: DO NOT pay for table dances.  I have gotten FREE dances and I'll accept
those but that's it.  The moment you become a CUSTOMER, it's OVER for you.

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Mystery on Group set theory:
It's in my unedited book and No9 (a wingman) is helping to make it all
clear.  Basically, the main part of the theory is that just walking up to a
girl 1:1 is not as good as 1:2 or 1:3 or even 1:4.  In fact, save for voice
and attention limitations (all merely technical issues), the larger the
group the better for you.  That is why a comedian with his 1:100 is even
BETTER.  If you approach a 2set (1:2) you do not go straight for the target
girl.  You instead address both of them equally with your opener and then
keep the next few minutes of conversation towards the other girl (the
obstacle) until you have her respect.  At this time you may use playful negs
on the target to present a challenge.  No matter how big the group set is,
you have to disarm (gain the respect of) all the obstacles before you can go
for the target.  However, it is hundreds of times easier to disarm a group
if you have been seen with other girls first.  Merging YOUR group with
another group is preferred especially when you are 'clothed' with women.
Just yesterday, there was a 5 set and the MAIN obstacle (every group has
THAT particular obstacle) to my target was a HB blond.  So before I
continued with the target (who was receptive and interested) I had to gain
the respect of the
obstacle by calling her on her behavior: "You are the obstacle in this 5
set.  Before I have a chance to speak with your friend I have to disarm you.
This is because you have a very protective nature.  You may have the an
adventurous side yourself but you protect your friends.  This protective
nature will likely make you a good mother."  Done.  She liked me from then
on.  I was invited to their place a few minutes later.  I have No-9 and his
2 wings as witness to this.  I have great insight into the DETAILS of group
sets.  For instance, you must choose your target and stick to her.  Don't do
a switch out: deciding to go instead for another girl in the set, especially
once you went light kino with the first girl.  That was my failure
yesterday.  The target liked me and I was caressing her on the couch.  She
took off for a second and the other girl who liked me too sat beside me.  I
really like the challenge of the obstacle and she was a HB too so I started
going Kino on her as well.  She seemed to like it.  Both girls liked me and
I liked both girls.  Only there was no bi-fem tendencies on pinging for that
info.  The two went up stairs and didn't come down for 10 minutes.  When
they came down they were COLD.  That was it.  I lost them.  Good round
though and I had all around fun and an educational time.  I discovered that
it is a damage control situation when two girls like you.  You would think
you want that.  No.  Instead, you want only one to really like you and the
others to merely accept and respect you.  If two girls like you, the
solution is found in the CHOOSE GINO GAMBIT.  In fact, CHOOSE GINO is a
damage control gambit.  Two girls like you but they aren't going to a
threesome.  What do you do?  If you pick one or the other, you lose both.
This is because by choosing one, you alienate the other and this would also
create a rift in their relationship.  YOU become a wedge.  They have more
loyalty to each other than a new guy, no matter HOW cool he is.  Most PUA's
believe this situation to be impossible to win because there are only two
choices: you pick either girl A or B.  There is a THIRD choice though.
CHOOSE GINO.  Gino was a guy I met in L.A. in the spring of 2000.  He had a
problem: two girls liked him at the same time.  The girls were friends. He
said to them, "All 3 of us have come to a point where the path we are
walking narrows.  Both of you are really amazing people and that is why you
are friends to each other.  Only 1 of you can join me though.  I'm going to
go for a little walk and one of you will choose Gino and join me in a moment
... please don't leave me walking alone."  He then walked off slowly and the
girls stood there debating who gets to CHOOSE GINO.  (The words are
paraphrased.  At the time I was more into the CONCEPT than the words.  There
may be better ways to convey the concept to the girls.)  I had put myself
into the situation yesterday by accident (not being able to SELECT the one I
wanted) and could have used the CHOOSE GINO gambit to get a girl only I
hadn't even realized that I was in that position at the time.

Another situation occurred the previous evening.  A two set (1:2) sat
against
a wall in the couch area of a club.  I approached, disarmed the obstacle and
went kino with the target. Then another 2set with a BETTER target sat next
to me.  So I decided to PAWN my 2set to get the new target.  Simply by
having 2 girls present with you will usually be enough to gain the respect
of the target immediately.  You have VERY THIN bitch shields this way.  I
number closed her in 15 minutes.  Then went back to continue with the
original 2 set but they staled out.  That is why they are PAWNS.  You use
them to LOOK good but usually don't get them.  To be truthful, the reason I
was unable to close these girls is because I had gone kino with both of
them, too.  I have
a tough time CHOOSING.  I could have used CHOOSE GINO there, too.  Two
examples is all I need to learn my lesson.  And a great set of lessons these
were.

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