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Just talk talk talk talk talk
Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:41:31 -0500

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Flyer:
Just thought you might want to put this URL out there:
It's another book on you-know-what, and thought maybe any of the bros our
there might have heard of it.

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Chris:
> I don't think it's deceptive or unethical because with SS, it is up to
the
> woman to ultimately decide, after you lay down all the moves and
patterns,
> whether or not she wants to do anything with you. And with SS, if she
really
> wants to stay "just friends" with you, that's all you'll be, and with SS
you
> know when to bail if being just friends isn't what you want because on

I'm not so sure about this. This presupposes that a man has already
decided that he wants to sleep with a woman simply by initiating the SS
process, and that somehow the woman is control of both directions on the
two-way street that is seduction. Is an ethical seduction one in
which one gender ultimately decides the other's path? Maybe if you're
into S&M. I wouldn't think so. What if she decides that she wants to do
something with you, but you don't? But this isn't about ethics, it's
about the following: I look at SS as a better process of screening women;
determining whether or not she'll be an "attention whore," psycho, what
have you, - or - someone that you'd really like to continue with for all
your own, and her own, reasons. I don't want to sound arrogant, but the
challenge lies not in getting a roll in the hay - it's in creating an
experience that's enjoyable at more than just a single moment.

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Flyer:
Commenting on: Don:
(.....Look: if you're not tall, quite good-looking, well-built, with a
decent
sense of humor, _or_, if you're not rich as all hell or famous as all hell,
you're never never never gonna bang a girl like Laetitia Casta or Heidi
Klum, no matter how many sly, verbally deft 'patterns' you say to her. In
fact -- here's where I disagree with some people on this list -- I think
these
pattern things are most likely just gonna creep a woman out, to be perfectly
honest. So far I've liked the hell out of this list because people on it
have talked about practical, normal things that guys can do to better
succeed with women
and people have not been talking about that 'pattern' stuff and the rest of
it. I swear to you that guys who get a lot of ass don't use this pattern
stuff."):

Don, that seems to be the perception that American culture has spread,
making a lot of men in the U.S. quite the AFC. I used to feel this way as
well some time ago. I cannot speak from personal experience myself, but I
began thinking differently when someone had then asked me "Well, then how do
you account for all the slimy looking, or less attractive guys who are
getting the HB's?" (who are not millionaire rock stars, entertainment
industry moguls, or coke dealers) ??
Some patterns to me seem awkward, and quite simply it just wouldn't be me if
I said them to an HB. The key with SS I think, is to present patterns that
in fact are a part of the way you speak, aside from all the other good
tidbits you have noted on this newsletter.
You may also be suffering from being exposed to a belief that is regional to
where you live as well.

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Riker:
>"bitch shield" goes up when an unconfident, shy or ugly guy approaches.
The
>smooth-stud-PUA-player's have no problem. Isn't that our goal here in SS;
>to become smooth-stud-PUA-player's???
>I also would like to say I agree with Horn Dog's observation on married
guys
>having better luck attracting HB's. I think this is because married guys
>are already validated as being desirable to a woman. Also, an HB can flirt
>with a married guy where as a single guy might take flirting as an
>invitation for something more and seem too eager."):
>
>Flyer's Response:
> When I recall the prettier girls I
>have dated, it was girls I met in the city. I'd be interested in knowing
>where Horn Dog observed the HB's with the non suave pua guys-- I am
betting
>it would be a metropolitan areas, not in the 'burbs.

These sweeping generalizations amaze me. I am sure that there are many
guys who say the exact opposite, the chicks "from the city" are screwed
up, way too trendy, have their values all wrong, etc.
I see more and more of these generalizations as guys coming up with
excuses to explain their own limitations.
>Don:
>I've got a response to Horn Dog's and others' arguments that extremely
>desirable women, HBs more succinctly, will prefer to date average-looking
>men. A priori I think that's just an illogical thought, and, further,
>everything I've actually observed tells me it's illogical. Guys are
>obviously very attracted to the beautiful physical female form, but women
>are as well (if not as feverishly). I think this further gets at a problem
>that some people on this list may be plagued by: the notion that while
guys
>will always be attracted to the girl with the best face, biggest tits, and
>best ass, women do not place any such importance on a guy's physical body.
>The fact is, that while the physical body is not as important to women as
it
>is to guys, it still is pretty
>fucking _important_, man.
>Look: if you're not tall, quite good-looking, well-built, with a decent
>sense of humor, _or_, if you're not rich as all hell or famous as all
hell,
>you're never never never gonna bang a girl like Laetitia Casta or Heidi
>Klum,
>no matter how many sly, verbally deft 'patterns' you say to her.

This is such a load of self-limiting bull I cant believe it.
I have met guys who are NOT the best looking men at all, that have in
fact been with many women of this caliber, if not better. By better, I
mean women that look that good, and actually have interesting careers and
intelligence and imaginations to them.
>In fact --
>here's where I disagree with some people on this list -- I think these
>pattern things are most likely just gonna creep a woman out, to be
perfectly
>honest.

Jeez - here is another example of self-limiting beliefs. I cannot tell
you how many women LOVE to hear a real man talk about such things. Sure,
when a guy think of "patterns" as these pre-written pieces of text that
he spews forth AT her, and he has NO personal understanding of what the
pattern and theme is about, OF COURSE it feels weird to him, and it will
SOUND weird to HER as well.
I have had women just about MELT in front of me, hearing me talk about
such things that I have written about.
>So far I've liked the hell out of this list because people on it have
talked
>about practical, normal things that guys can do to better succeed with
women
>and people have not been talking about that 'pattern' stuff and the rest
of
>it. I swear to you that guys who get a lot of ass don't use this pattern
>stuff.

Yes, there are guys that do. But how many of them are able to actually
teach other men how to do it? Have you ever asked one? Most cannot codify
it.
>Instead of spending time on memorizing that stuff, I think one would be
>better off buying a membership to Gold's Gym and building a killer body
and
>then buying a nice wardrobe of clothes.

Let's get this out this way. I know guys who look AWESOME, very good
looking, well built, and have money, and they have no clue how to get women.
I know guys who are like 60 pounds overweight who are NOT rich, and they
can make some women melt with their words.
Yes, yes, yes, there is a correlation that if a guy is good looking and has
some money, that does increase his chances. But this self-limiting crap is
distorting men's minds.
>This advice here on this list about such techniques as giving a girl a
>massage and brushing her hair and approaching a girl on a date have been
>outstanding! Keep that stuff coming, whoever's sending it!
>I've got a hint of my own, based upon my own recent experience. When a
>woman asks you where you're from, give her only the basic US geographical
>location. For instance, I'm from Minnesota, and when brawds asks me where
>I'm from, I say the Midwest. This drives them fucking nuts. They
absolutely
>have to know where, and will immediately ask me. But instead of letting
them
>ask me, immediately after I tell them I'm from the Midwest, I change the
>subject, by saying, for instance, "Have you seen _Meet the Parents_?" And
>now it's much harder for them to ask me to clarify where I'm from, because
>that would be changing the subject back to me, which would reveal in them
>interest in me. But they almost always do! And when they don't, it will
>stay with them. For instance: I was talking with a brawd on the phone
about
>a room she was trying to sublet and she asked me where I was from and I
told
>her the Midwest, then changed the subject.
>Well the first thing she asked me when we met was, "Where in the Midwest
are
>you from?" So obviously she'd been thinking about that for some period of
>time during the six hours between when we spoke on the phone and when I
>showed up to see her place. And obviously if you can get a chick to be
>thinking about you, even in such a minor way as where you're from, you're
>that much closer to pulling off her panties, which in the end is what this
>is all about.
>
>My Comment: While patterns alone won't do the job, I think if you had read
>some of the posts on the SS list by such experienced bros like Bishop, you
>would understand that it is not patterns that are important but making the
>thought and speech patterns a part of you. Most men haven't a clue about
>how to talk romantically to a woman, yet this is what they are waiting
for.
>They want to hear that "sweet talk" as soon as it would be appropriate
>between a man and a woman whereas I believe most men sort of wait around
for
>the woman to drop hints that she's interested. Patterns, used
intelligently
>and when they form a natural part of your speech are very effective. But I
>don't like to post patterns here, because I think then I would be
>duplicating what goes on on the SS list and that is not the point of these
>emails.

Yes Cliff Yes.
And the issue is that many guys think they just memorize this "thing"
(pattern), find a way to "bring it up" (find a way ion the conversation
to just spew forth some words) and expect results.
They don't get it.

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Alan:
> Alphahero (re: The Elusive Female Orgasm):
> She really enjoys sex, that's not the problem. She just cannot seem to
> orgasm. She has been close numerous times, though it just seems like she
> needs a little something extra. I tried the "triple play" that someone
> posted a long time ago. The one about stimulating her anus, clitoris, and
> g-spot all at the same time. That one didn't work either.
> This girl really means a lot to me, and we have so much fun together. The
> only thing that's missing is making her scream, moan, and watch her face
> contort while she writhes in pleasure as she is digging her nails into my
> back, as she orgasms multiple times.
> Every girl I have been with I have always taken pride in the fact that I
> make the girl cum first. So needless to say, this is driving me fucking
> nuts!!!! Suggestions?

Alphabud, I've come in on this late. I don't know the history you and
your g/f share. Going by the above message *only*, I see warning
lights flashing.
It seems to me you're turning sex - and her orgasm - into an
achievement, rather than a fulfilling way of relating.
It's driving *you* nuts, you write. How does *she* feel about it?
Maybe she enjoys sex without orgasms - it's been known.
Have you talked to her about it, without presupposing what she wants?
Is she going along with your efforts simply to please you?
I see a danger in making *her* sexual response about *you* and your
pride. Unless she wants what you want, she's going to feel pressured
and resentful, sooner or later. Bud, do you want to ruin a good
relationship for the sake of bragging rights?
I fully appreciate the turn-on of watching a woman come. I love
watching this too. And it's a great feeling to know you have the power
to do this for your woman. As I said, though, I see danger signs in
your post.
Ok, assuming she wants the same thing as you, here are my 2 Yen:
Can she orgasm any other way? Masturbation? Sex toys? Manual/oral from
you? If she can, would she like to include that in your sex play? After you
come? Before you come? While you come?
Is there something she'd like to try, which the two of you haven't
tried? Don't assume, check with her. Don't pressure her, either. It's
not about you, it's about her. It could be a position, a type of
stimulation, a different time of the day (e.g. mornings if you usually
do it at night), role-playing, sex in an unusual location (party,
outdoors, etc), sex while partly clothed.
Does she like some kinds of porn? Erotic/romantic literature? Don't
assume. Ask. If she answers yes, would she like to include that in
your sex play? I once had a fantasy of setting up a porn slideshow on
a computer, with me and my g/f watching it, naked, while fondling each
other on a nearby sofa. I told her about it. To my utter surprise, my
straight-laced whiter-than-white supposedly-porn-hating g/f told me
she would love that.
Can you sometimes have sex for you, and then sometimes have sex for
her? Would she like to try this? Greedy sex, I call it.
That is, on some occasions, have sex for your sake, it's all about you
and your wants, not hers; she's there to serve you, her wants don't
come into it. She's not in control, you are.
And then, on some other occasions, have sex for her sake, it's all
about her and her wants, not yours; you're there to serve her, your
wants don't come into it. You're not in control, she is.
Is there some relationship or other issue that's decreasing her
desire? Is "withholding" an orgasm a way for her to exercise power? Is
there some aspect of the relationship she'd like to change, but feels
powerless to change?
Good luck bud. Talk to her and negotiate.

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Scott:
How do I get my wife to want a threesome?

My Comment:  While we've had some good suggestions on here in the past, how
about some new ideas?

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Mystery:
>Assuming she is not
>already married and spoken for. Sargying in the suburbs is the WORST
>possible place. The 'burbs' are sick. The whole GAP mentality, and the
rest
>of the shit culture associated with bedroom communities. Most of the HB's
>in
>these areas values are fucked up. Not all, but most.

How is this OBSERVATION of yours HELPFUL? Consider learning about E-PRIME
(do a search). Why ARE the suburbs the worst possible place? Because they
have a sub-culture you don't adhere to? Why do most of the HBs have fucked
up values? As a PUA, if I happen to be in a burb (MALLS!) and see a hottie,
I'll pounce. Burb girls (oh no, a new TYPE!) have a more comfortable
standard of living is all (they don't accept the garbage on the street thing
like downtown girls.) They are cleaner and EXPECT to hang with other CLEAN
people (Money adds to cleanliness). If you aren't clean, don't get pissed at
the clean girls for wanting to continue their clean thing. This
differential is quite irrelevant to your game G.
I've gone out with little millionaire's daughter girls and poor girls. I'm
not going to NOT hit an ass because she is one or the other. They have
different behaviors but seriously - I can enjoy both of them. The only dif
is their behaviors. A poor girl could be an HB (just wash her down) as can a
rich girl. And similarly, so can Burbs or Core girls, it doesn't matter. You
are
saying that the burb girls have different behaviors. OK. They are different.
Big deal. You didn't offer HOW we can GET THEM. You just say STAY AWAY.
Well, what if this BURB GIRL thing is an entire environment for
PUing? Consider that.
>In addition, there have
>been a few authors on the dating subject whom have said the same thing.
>Yes,
>one may find a sweet HB in the 'burbs', but the more populated cities
would
>be a better bet.

You say the odds are better because burb girls have fucked up values? That
advice is shit.  The only reason the core is better is POPULATION. "The
more doors you knock on, the more will open." It's hard to FIND HB's in the
burbs. In fact, the burb girls VISIT the core on weekends even. GIRLS are
all the same. Just FIND them in GATHERINGS. Your job isn't to find the most
SUSCEPTIBLE girls, but the HOTTEST SEXUALLY and then do whatever it takes to
make her LOVE you. THEN you have the option to friend or fuck her.
>I am simply talking better probabilities here. I stopped
>sargying HB's in my area for that reason. When I recall the prettier girls
>I have dated, it was girls I met in the city.

This is ENTIRELY based on POPULATION statistics.
>Don:
>I've got a response to Horn Dog's and others' arguments that extremely
>desirable women, HBs more succinctly, will prefer to date average-looking
>men. A priori I think that's just an illogical thought, and, further,
>everything I've actually observed tells me it's illogical. Guys are
>obviously very attracted to the beautiful physical female form, but women
>are as well (if not as feverishly). I think this further gets at a problem
>that some people on this list may be plagued by: the notion that while
guys
>will always be attracted to the girl with the best face, biggest tits, and
>best ass, women do not place any such importance on a guy's physical body.
>The fact is, that while the physical body is not as important to women as
>it is to guys, it still is pretty fucking _important_, man.

Agreed. Do your best at preparing your body for conveying a healthy image
and then that's all you can do in that area of bettering yourself. After you
work out, that is all you can do for the day. Let the accumulative nature
of the workout do its thing. NOW, work on the BRAIN MUSCLE. Other than
WORKOUT and LIFE HEALTHY, the PU Arts is about mental preparation.
>Look: if you're not tall, quite good-looking, well-built, with a decent
>sense of humor, _or_, if you're not rich as all hell or famous as all
hell,
>you're never never never gonna bang a girl like Laetitia Casta or Heidi
>Klum,
>no matter how many sly, verbally deft 'patterns' you say to her.

Tall, good-looking >>> you can't do much but dress well and groom.
Well-built >>> that is a long term thing. HUMOUR! Know THAT is something you
CAN work on. RICH? You can CONVEY INDEPENDENCE. FAME? You can APPEAR FAMOUS
(FAME is really only social acceptance from a peer group).
You are missing the whole concept of PERSONALITY CONVEYING. Take two guys.
Loser boy and winner boy. Both are in a club. What sets loser from winner?
One APPEARS to possess all the winner traits (money, etc) while the other
doesn't. BUT >>> both guys are the same. The only dif is clothing, props
(flash cash, watch, costume, etc) social proof (picture routine, pawns,
etc.) and behavior (not taking peoples' shit). The dif between a fireman and
a
nurse is COSTUME, PROPS, SOCIAL PROOF and BEHAVIOR. The dif between LOSER
and WINNER is COSTUME, PROPS, SOCIAL PROOF and BEHAVIOR. They both exist in
the same environment. They both have a finite 4 hour set. They both only
come in with what they can carry. A pro PUA gets higher results because he
knows what to bring with him and how to behave to convey alphamale
characteristics. It has NOTHING to do with TRUE POWER. It's really a form of
deception. Ever consider even POWERFUL people are only APPEARING powerful?
Meet a man with a great car and great suit and hot chick on his arm and you
think he is the man. MAYBE, he is just APPEARING to be the man.  He
struggled to put the package together (work hard, get suit, lease car for
business and girl falls for the appearance). Why not do the same to get the
girls you desire?
>In fact --
>here's where I disagree with some people on this list -- I think these
>pattern things are most likely just gonna creep a woman out, to be
>perfectly honest.

No. I don't do patterns per se, but I've seen the HUMOR that patterns
convey. The girl KNOWS it's cheese but it's a talent at how creative and
humorous the PUA appears - she is attracted to the talent of speaking
properly and teasingly. It's fun. I assure you. You haven't met 'the boy' in
action is all. Come out with me and watch me work a room. You're concluding
something doesn't work without watching it work. We wouldn't do this stuff
if
it sucked.  Seriously. Rick uses it in a playful way. AND - cheese it is,
it works. Girls eat it UP! Serious.
>So far I've liked the hell out of this list because people on it have
>talked about practical, normal things that guys can do to better succeed
with
>women and people have not been talking about that 'pattern' stuff and the
>rest of it. I swear to you that guys who get a lot of ass don't use this
pattern
>stuff.

I SWEAR to you that reciting a pattern will bomb if you don't have context
and timing. Like copying a comedian's routine. BUT, if you know timing,
you can get your own audiences to laugh and love you. It's the same thing.
Borrow patterns from others 'til you LEARN timing and then devise your OWN
patterns. LIKE a COMEDIAN.
>Instead of spending time on memorizing that stuff, I think one would be
>better off buying a membership to Gold's Gym and building a killer body
and
>then buying a nice wardrobe of clothes.

Crap. Newbies NEED something to say to a girl. They get STUCK far too
quickly. Patterns CONVEY humor and teasing and other attractive
characteristics when done right. Fuck the timing and context and you appear
goofy. Not to say ANYTHING ASSURES you of NOT getting laid. Pattern
memorizing allows the newbie to learn valuable lessons in timing and
context. It gives them SOMETHING to assist them in getting into the game.
You gotta start SOMEWHERE. START by learning other acts and copying 'til you
get it good then work on your own material. THAT sounds like more valuable
advice to me personally.
>This advice here on this list about such techniques as giving a girl a
>massage and brushing her hair and approaching a girl on a date have been
>outstanding! Keep that stuff coming, whoever's sending it!

All those are ROUTINES and not patterns. Reciting a pattern is a TYPE of
ROUTINE (at least according to FMAC - find meet attract close). You perform
a routine in order to Attract a girl. You Attract a girl by Conveying your
personality. That personality consists of the 5 characteristics of the
alphamale. SIMPLE really.
>I've got a hint of my own, based upon my own recent experience. When a
>woman asks you where you're from, give her only the basic US geographical
>location. For instance, I'm from Minnesota, and when brawds asks me where
>I'm from, I say the Midwest. This drives them fucking nuts. They
>absolutely
>have to know where, and will immediately ask me. But instead of letting
>them
>ask me, immediately after I tell them I'm from the Midwest, I change the
>subject, by saying, for instance, "Have you seen _Meet the Parents_?"

Creating a sense of mystery evokes curiousity. Good.
>And now it's much harder for them to ask me to clarify where I'm from,
>because that would be changing the subject back to me, which would reveal
>
in them interest in me. But they almost always do! And when they don't, it
>will stay with them. For instance: I was talking with a brawd on the phone
>about a room she was trying to sublet and she asked me where I was from
>and I  told her the Midwest, then changed the subject.
>Well the first thing she asked me when we met was, "Where in the Midwest
>are
>you from?" So obviously she'd been thinking about that for some period of
>time during the six hours between when we spoke on the phone and when I
>showed up to see her place. And obviously if you can get a chick to be
>thinking about you, even in such a minor way as where you're from, you're
>that much closer to pulling off her panties, which in the end is what this
>is all about.

Agreed. This is only a simple use of evoking curiousity. Imagine devising
a way to have her ask MANY MORE questions based on ONE MYSTERIOUS COMMENT of
yours. Instead of coming back with "Where EXACTLY?" she comes back with
questions 1, 2, and 3. How to do this? I have some ideas but first I'd like
to hear from you guys.
>My Comment: While patterns alone won't do the job, I think if you had read
>some of the posts on the SS list by such experienced bros like Bishop, you
>would understand that it is not patterns that are important but making the
>thought and speech patterns a part of you.

I think we must be PREPARED. We must have REHEARSED ROUTINES (photo routine,
question game, etc) to perform. Since patterns are routines as
well, memorizing them is the thing to do. However, the more you learn from
others (STOCK PATTERNS), the easier it will be to create new ones all on
your own. You don't do it so much on the fly as you do beforehand. Prepare
first. Internalize the patterns and other routines and THEN write your own.
Patterns are TOPICAL conversations that convey your sense of humor and
your ability to weave sexual innuendo (thereby conveying creativity, speed
of
thought and wit).
>Most men haven't a clue about
>how to talk romantically to a woman, yet this is what they are waiting
for.
>They want to hear that "sweet talk" as soon as it would be appropriate
>between a man and a woman whereas I believe most men sort of wait around
>for
>the woman to drop hints that she's interested. Patterns, used
>intelligently
>and when they form a natural part of your speech are very effective.

Agreed. Hold back the patterns 'til you OPENED. Use patterns to disarm
obstacles (conveying your ability to speak in front of a group and keep
their interest), and also once you've acquired the target's interest. Get
her
to the couch, do the kino producing photo routine and go IN. If not, throw
another pattern and try again. RJ Patterns are ROUTINES. They entertain
while evoking emotions.
>But I
>don't like to post patterns here, because I think then I would be
>duplicating what goes on on the SS list and that is not the point of these
>emails.

I have a thought about CONGRUENCY. There is talk among PUA's that we should
be CONGRUENT. I think Odious tries for this. This is where they allow girls
to know they have interests in the PUA. Odious has his website with PUA
advice for instance. Living congruently means being totally HONEST with
others. It means not bothering to lie about things - just being the real you
and not caring if people don't like you for it. There is a problem with
this. For instance I live in DUALITY. I have my PUA side and then I hide it
from people. The PUA thing is a mental model and I don't reveal this
model to others in real day to day life. If a girl I met knew I fucked
nearly 100 girls for instance, my chances of getting her lowers (funny,
notice how MOST girls you met have only had 3 BFs? Funny huh? Think about
it.) This is PUA-dualism. I think TRUE congruency includes showing your
parents video of you fucking a chick. THAT is congruent. Porn stars are
congruent in that they don't give a shit what people think about the fact
that they lick pussy. That is TRUTH. There is a freeing feeling from
congruency but at the same time, it's restrictive. People may judge you
harshly. If my PUA side were to find its way into my GREAT GUY side I think
it would severely fuck up my game, for instance. Truth is I LOVE to chase
girls. I'd hate that info to get out into the public though because they
view PUA's as CHEATERS. Congruency is having a website of yourself for
business and then having a link to your nude pix. Porn stars have done this
... check out www.xxxena.com, for example. Real pix with porn mixed. TRUE
congruency. I'm AFRAID to associate my PUA sex dude side with my PERFORMER,
GREAT GUY side and this makes me INCONGRUENT. So there you have it -
PUA-DUALIST ... Mystery.
>Zvi:
>Of course being in a state of "vacation" is good and healthy. My point
>though is this.
>As a human being, you experience MANY different states throughout the day.
>Some of the emotions you feel are "positive" (i.e., you want them) and
some
>are "negative" (i.e., they don't feel good to you and you don't want
them).
>Typically there is some sort of chain reaction: you feel emotion X and
that
>triggers emotion Y which triggers emotion Z, and so on.
>The question you need to ask yourself is which emotions do I want
activated
>throughout the day?
>For example: let's say you feel Frustration at something minor at work. It
>doesn't have to be any major frustration, it could be something like,
>"damn,
>what the hell is taking the computer so long to download??" OK? So you
>feel a momentary Frustration. In the past that Frustration might have
>"activated" another feeling, let's say Anger ("arrrrr.... I'm going to
KILL
>Bill Gates!!"). And let's say that those two feelings caused a lot of
>stress. You stored those feelings in your body, so to speak, and the more
>they build the more stress you felt.
>The structure so far is: Frustration --> Anger --> Stress.
>Makes sense so far?
>But what if you can create a DIFFERENT chain reaction. Instead of having
>Frustration activate Anger, let's say it activates Calmness and
Creativity.
>Let's say that those states in turn activate Excitement.
>The structure would then be: Frustration --> Calmness and Creativity -->
>Excitement.
>You see? The SAME EMOTION (frustration) does not HAVE to lead to stress.
>If you link it with the kind of emotions you want, the "negative" emotion
>can activate a POSITIVE emotion! Stress is NOT a necessary condition of
>this or that emotion!
>Let's see how this might work differently. Let's say that Frustration
>activates a Balance Monitoring System. Whenever you begin feeling
>frustrated, this Balance Monitoring System kicks in and causes you to ask
>yourself some questions such as, "what can I do to solve this problem?"
>"how
>can I use this problem to my advantage?" "what can I do right now to
>increase my inner calmness?" and so on. This Balance Monitoring System is
>like your inner gyroscope that doesn't allow you to sway too far either
>way.
>In this example the structure would be: Frustration --> Balance Monitoring
>System --> Balance and Inner Calmness.
>Makes sense?

That is alot of messy shit. The model is far too large and cumbersome. I
have a better concept that works WONDERS for me. The emotion is: TALKATIVE.
Bad mood or good, by being TALKATIVE you are able to convey your
personality, even if you are bitter boy (Being bitter boy has gotten me laid
several times). HOW to get yourself into this mood? There are 2 ways. One is
to talk about ANYTHING on your way to the club with your wings. Even if it's
just shit talk. Just talk talk talk talk talk. The other way, if you
are alone in the club, is to approach the first 3 sets with the notion of
just GEARING UP your brain. Talk talk talk talk talk. It solves EVERYTHING
INTERNAL. You aren't worrying about what to say because you are in a
talkative mood. It just flows out like water.
>Mac:
>Well since you asked, although it doesn't have much to do with seduction.
>The techniques I use in order:
>1. Friday night, I leave work and physically leave the area. I go
>someplace about 5 - 15 minutes away. There, I pull out a journalists
>notepad (one of those spiral bound 3" x 5" kind that fit in a breast
>pocket)
>and write down where I am on all projects, all open to do items, any other
>notes of importance. I do this so that my subconscious can feel good about
>forgetting about the stress causing items.
>2. I get involved with some intense activity for at least 45 minutes.
>Intense physical exercise is good. Practicing a foreign (to me) language,
>playing a musical instrument, painting at an easel all also work for me.
>Something that forces me to think in a different way or with a different
>part of my brain. I find it takes a minimum of 15 minutes to just start
>thinking (or being) in an alternative way.
>3. Meditate for a minimum of 15 minutes. Although I practice several
>methods of meditation, for this I use a zen or a chi-gong method,
something
>that uses an empty mind style meditation. I have also used yoga rest
>positions.
>4. Having a plan of the things I'm going to do over the weekend, that are
>very unworklike is very helpful. I work on building a sense of
anticipation
>to doing them, even if its only work on a tan, or take a sauna. I think of
>what it is I like about them. I hallucinate about them with as many senses
>as I can.
>5. I change clothes.
>6. I do the things I have promised myself, although I do not lose my
>ability
>to be spontaneous.
>7 Come Monday morning, I have the list I made Friday night to get me back
>into the work week groove.

What does stress relief have to do with the PUA? The only state you need be
in is TALKATIVE. Being TALKATIVE is entertaining to the target.
>Divine (Daddy's Little Hypno Slut):
>There are, of course, shallow women, just as there are shallow men. In my
>experience the ones hung up on looks are that way because they themselves
>have nothing else to offer.

How to you mean HUNG UP? I ONLY go for HB's nowadays. Does that make me
shallow? It's not the ONLY thing in my qualification process but I know I'll
only enjoying fucking HB's.
>It takes much more to capture the interest of
>any woman worth having..or man worth having.

What is WORTH HAVING? A pleasant personality and a hot body is all that is
necessary. You are framing the entire process with the notion of
DREAM-MATE. As if there is ONE person you should be with. I prefer having
many different girls. They are dif from each other in personality but they
all have HB bodies. Does this make me shallow or does this make my deeper
understanding of human nature more evident?
>I even have a male friend that
>purposely tells women they can't keep his attention..and they try. Mostly,
>a
>few tell him to get stuffed and those are the ones he pursues. Ironic,
>isn't
>it. The more confidant you are w/o being arrogant (well hmmmphh that works
>unfortunately) the more people are attracted.

It appeals to the need for CHALLENGE. Nothing wrong with that? I don't want
an HB coming up to me and saying, "Would you fuck me in the back right now?"
In fact, I got that before. A HB was hard to get and I reversed it becoming
hard to get. I was leaving without getting her # (I KNEW she was going to
force close me) and she then said, "Come with me. I'm going to fuck you in
the elevator." I said no. And yes I assure you she was serious. Why did I
say no? It was too FORWARD for me.

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