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I’ll spot you 2-1
Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:24:24 -0500


Someone on your list asked for links to stuff written by the guy behind the
Tao of Steve. Below is a link to an relationship/seduction advice column
written by Duncan, the real-life PUA on whom the Tao of Steve is based.
Hopefully your readers will find this useful. There's some other stuff on
that same website that may be of interest as well.


A friend of mine has started a new online matchmaking service.
It's free, and his technology for matching people based on
personality traits, interests, etc. is far beyond any of the other
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Flyer (Commenting on Riker's comments on "Flyer's Response:
> When I recall the prettier girls I
>have dated, it was girls I met in the city. I'd be interested in knowing
>where Horn Dog observed the HB's with the non suave pua guys-- I am
>it would be a metropolitan areas, not in the 'burbs."
Riker: These sweeping generalizations amaze me. I am sure that there are
many guys who say the exact opposite, the chicks "from the city" are screwed
up, way too trendy, have their values all wrong, etc. I see more and more of
these generalizations as guys coming up with excuses to explain their own

Flyer's Comments:
I am sure there are guys that have that same attitude about the (New York
metro) city. I am speaking from my experience, in my area, which Riker has
NOT experienced. It is different, whether he wants to believe it or not. If
Riker truly has all the answers, then he should get out here to my burbs and
show me up. This is a friendly invite. I admire Riker very much. I would
welcome the opportunity to be proven wrong here.


Bjorn (Commenting on Mystery's comments in Just talk talk talk talk talk):
Mystery's comments were excellent! I hope he writes a book because I will
buy it. My question to the list is what are the 5 characteristics of an
alphamale that Mystery is talking about? I have been working on (for about 1
1/2 years)
developing what *I think* are alphamale traits, however I am interested in
find out what Mystery was talking about.


Divine (Daddy's little hypnoslut) (Commenting on Mystery's remarks to her):
Well, my comment was aimed in response to another's question, not your
situation in particular. It was my view on their comment...if you didn't
you certainly didn't need to be rude about it. I never said there was
anything wrong with my friends approach..however you are exactly the type I
wouldn't date before I was married and sure as hell wouldn't look at now. If
the ONLY goal in your life is to fuck as many HB's as possible so you can
tote about a long list to make yourself feel better, that's fine. It's sad
and pathetic and shows your empty little soul, but you go for it and when
you are old and gray and changing your own diaper you can look back and
think fondly of all the hotties you fucked, and wonder if maybe even one of
them remembers you're sorry ass. Doesn't that sound fulfilling. I'm not
talking about "the dream mate" I'm talking about human interaction and
connecting with another person, be it for a night or for week or for a
lifetime. If fucking is truly all you need or want, and interaction with the
person doesn't matter, then you are indeed a shallow and bitter little man
and you will die lonely with a huge list of "conquests" but not one
worthwhile memory of human connection. Eat it up then, if that's what YOU
want, but don't slam ME for telling the others how to connect on a more
human level and get more than just fucking out of their interactions. Not
everyone sees women as merely walking cunts to be preyed's to your
disadvantage that you do.


On the ethical point, if it wasn't her decision then it would be rape. On
the seductionnow message board ( there's plenty (too
much) ethical debate.


A comment to Flyer (you've got to be tall, handsome or famous to catch
Laetitia Casta or Heidi Klum) This sounds similar to the comment from
the individual a couple of months ago saying that you have to fit into this
mold of Mr.Stud, Adonis, Brad Pitt or whatever. I would not knock the
pattern stuff that you are referring to; it has delivered amazing results
many guys on this list not just for getting HOT HB'S into the sack but,
benefiting them in other areas of life. I said once before that good
looks and the like will get you the date but, you better have something
else going on for you than just that I do personally know of some guys
that have girlfriends that are quite stunning and one of them in
particular his self-esteem is not the best. If you do a little research
into why romance novels, movies and poetry is so, effective with women
it's because they are more imaginative than most men are; they have to
experience that mental, emotional connection FIRST...all we need is to SEE
Jennifer Lopez in a thong bikini (I'd rather see her butt naked) and our
are dragging the ground. SS is the puts you into the driver's
seat and gives you more choices in every area of life not just in
getting your knob polished. Looks are only temporary and dating is a
friggin crapshoot.
SS is the ticket...don't knock it till you've really experienced it.


This is MY comment on Don, not on "Flyer"........
>(.....Look: if you're not tall, quite good-looking, well-built, with a
>sense of humor, _or_, if you're not rich as all hell or famous as all
>you're never never never gonna bang a girl like Laetitia Casta or Heidi
>Klum, no matter how many sly, verbally deft 'patterns' you say to her.

The problem with this kind of statement is that you are looking from "within
the box" of your OWN assumptions and so, of course, you set out to prove
what you already "know" to be "possible".
What you don't get is that Laetitia Casta and Heida Klum and the rest ARE
STILL JUST GIRLS. They have "unconscious minds". They dream at night. The
question is not looks or degree of fame but SUGGESTIBILITY. What kind of
trance subjects do they make?
After that, the issue is ACCESSIBILITY. I can assure you, if I could GET TO
THEM...physically get in their presence, I could have a shot with ANY HB, no
matter how good looking, provided she's reasonably suggestible and is
comfortable to some good degree with her own sexuality. Of course, I can't
squeeze blood from a stone, and while I CAN turn stones into "tomatoes" it
takes a LOT of work and exposure.
Your major problem is you are NOT seeing an entire realm of a
woman's experience because you are ONLY looking at the surface
things. Women, even BEAUTIFUL WOMEN, have UNCONSCIOUS minds. They go through
altered states of consciousness. Think about that and THINK about the
ramifications. Beautiful women are imminently programmable; they've been
programmed by society to expect certain things, to act a certain way, etc.
etc. etc. So find a way to hi-jack or by pass the
programming mechanisms.
Absent being able to do that you WILL have to compete based on
looks, money, status, etc..and who wants to be stuck with THAT?
> In
>fact -- here's where I disagree with some people on this list -- I think
>pattern things are most likely just gonna creep a woman out, to be

You "think"......what does this mean? That YOU find them creepy and
that you SPECULATE (meaning you've never really tried them) that women
will find them creepy because YOU do. So, other people's experience
is limited to YOUR speculation based on YOUR responses, NOT what
you've observed to be THEIR responses?
What kind of shit is THAT?
Once upon a time I had an Uncle who told me he'd teach me to fish.
When we got to the part about baiting the hooks, he handed me a worm.
I said, "Yucch...****I'D NEVER EAT THIS!****"
He said, "You aren't trying to catch yourself, boy!"
>So far I've liked the hell out of this list because people on it
>have talked about practical, normal things that guys can do to better
>succeed with women

Practical? Normal? You mean, "within the BOX of your current, limited
understand", correct? You mean "within the realm of what is familiar to
Well, buddy..WHAT IS FAMILIAR is what HASN'T BEEN WORKING. So you'd rather
stick with what you know that gets crap results instead of
tolerating the uncertainty of stepping into something that makes you
feel uncomfortable with its "newness" when, in fact, it is the "newness"
that is the very sign you are about to make MASSIVE leaps instead of
incremental, crawling "progress".
>and people have not been talking about that 'pattern' stuff and the rest
>it. I swear to you that guys who get a lot of ass don't use this pattern

Really? I swear to you that guys who use this pattern stuff get LOTS of ass,
way out of proportion to their looks, money, etc. Care to go one on one
against me in a Sarge contest? I'll whip your ass ANYWHERE outside of a club
or a bar where I don't go cause I can't make myself heard without screaming.
I"m 42, VERY AVERAGE, if not Ugly, and I'll spot you 2-1..I have to get 2
numbers/kiss closes, etc. for every one YOU do. And I'll ONLY do "pattern
stuff" and not the "normal, practical" stuff you seem so intent on sticking
with, despite it not working.


To Linda:
Linda asks "when does the bitch shield come down?". I would say typically
once an HB turns about 29... Some females lose their looks earlier than
that age (case in point; Alicia ["man-hands"] Silverstone or Drew Barrymore)
and their "bitch shields" will need to come down at a much earlier age. Once
former HB's lose their looks, they might be lucky if some "dorky AFC" with
shaky knees even notices them, let alone approaches them.

To Linda/Devine:
My comment on "good looking guys are jerks". Well, it is women who make
these guys into jerks in the first place. It is a proven fact that HB's
PREFER good looking guys who are jerks and mistreat them, case in point;
Charlie Sheen. What is one of the most common phrases amongst HB's???
Give up??
"I can't believe I slept with him!!! He is such a jerk!!!"
One thing I am grateful for about SS and this newsletter is that I have been
educated to NEVER ever supplicate to an HB again. Comments from Linda and
other females are appreciated and simply reinforce the point of non

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