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It’s not rocket science
Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:36:58 -0500
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It looks like 2001 is Montreal's year. Major Mark is doing his Awakening
Unafraid Seminar (I assume this is a hypnosis seminar) in Montreal on May
9-13 and the even bigger news is that Ross Jeffries is now going to hold a
Speed Seduction» Seminar here in August. Ross's tentative schedule for 2001
is as follows:
SS seminars:
LA, Jan 19, 20, 21st
Chicago April 27, 28, 29
London, England, June 15, 16th 17th
NYC, July 27, 28, 29th
Montreal, August ?
Magick/Psychic Influence:
LA, Feb 23, 24th, 25th
Orlando, May 25, 26th 27th
Major Mark's Seminar Schedule for 2001 is the following:
Jan 12-14 Basic Hypnosis in L.A.
Feb 09-11 Stage Hypnosis in Las Vegas
Mar 16-18 Special Topics: Adventures In ThoughtCrime -- Designing and
Imprinting Your OWN Belief System, In Taos
May 9-13 Awakening Unafraid in Montreal
Jul 06-08 Stage Hypnosis in Wash. D.C.
Sep 14-16 Advanced Hypnosis: Deep Trance, Mentalism and Beyond in Boulder
Oct 12-14 Advanced Stage: Non-verbal Hypnosis in L.A.
For additional information on Ross's seminars, contact Dr. Yates Canipe at
yat***j@ix***.com[ ? ] or visit the website at www.speed-seduction.com. For Major
Mark, visit www.trucor.com.
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Adrian:
> chasing for the heck is fun and exciting to do but it is character that I
> value higher.
Hey Cliff, I wrote charakter. furthermore, I meant that I do not use to have
a self-hypnosis and that I bring happen-ness to time.
My Comment: Choosing when to correct spelling is a risky business!
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TGB 2x333:
Commenting on: Steph:
>I will never get past the chase and actually take
>the plunge into real intimacy. I live for the chase.
What exactly is it you're chasing?
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Halbster:
> > Essentially, I think the number one method for
> banging
> > the best babes is to be a social climber
> > (hang with the cool people, go to all the right
> places), keep with the
> > fashion (but be slightly creative to keep from
> appearing like a sheep),
> > do fashionable things, and enforce your superiority
> over others
> > within this context.
> > (Which woman would rather bang the appy than bang
> the leader?)
I can say from experience that this is absolute bullshit because I've seen
penniless ugly geeks attractive superbabes by using SS like methods.
> Why is it that
> cute cheerleaders are discovering that I am unbelievably attractive? How
> could it be that now they are becoming incredibly aroused by my words?
Your unconscious might say "bullshit". If there are no cute cheerleaders
around this is not the optimal way to build unconscious/conscious
rapport/credibility with yourself. Set your mind toward the solution you
seek. In other words, how can I act now so that cute cheerleaders will find
me irresistibly attractive? Then, whenever you get results in that
direction
you can affirm your results and notice how much more you are behaving in
ways that attract them.
Halbster to Albert: I applaud your originality with your concept of
insulting them to get over fear of women. However, I do not think this is
an effective method of learning seduction. I think a basic concept of SS is
about being able to make woman feel incredible while making yourself also
feel incredible. I don't think insulting someone is good for either of
these purposes. I don't think insulting people is the best way to build
one's self-esteem or google. It reminds me of the school yard bully who
picked on other people because the bully felt insecure and had problems. I
think that feeling a need to insult them paradoxically is a form of
supplicating and surrendering power. It decreases a person's flexibility.
And, whether or not you believe in the concept, it might also create bad
karma. Plus, I think it is incredibly
rude and doesn't regard how it might affect a totally innocent person who
doesn't deserve to be insulted or given a neg hit. Real power comes from
responding with choice. There are many times when I've used a great line
that I got from Ross "You're not nearly good looking enough for a
personality like
that." This line is great because not only does it put her in place, but I
think it sends an attractive message to other woman. It tells them 1) good
looks alone are not enough for you, 2) you have self-esteem and won't allow
yourself to be dumped on, 3) you are a challenge, and 4) you have a sense of
humor. Plus, very often, they enjoy seeing you knock their competition down
a notch. I have never used this line without feeling that it was true and
that the woman did something to provoke it. Searching for insults is
training your mind in a non-optimal way. Give your mind better directions.
If your mind is sent in the direction of thinking "How can I make myself and
the woman I'm with feel absolutely delightful?" What do you think the
possibilities are if you feel great and your making women around you feel
great? Do you think women might crave being around you?
In answer to Stephanie's question...about is it just the thrill of the chase
or do any of the men find woman we love and keep for a lifetime. The answer
is "YES." Yes, there is a wonderful thrill to the chase. And, perhaps
people do find one woman to last the rest of their life. Although I'm not
yet thinking
marriage, I am currently with one woman who I care very much about, and I'm
not actively seeking any other women.
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Marc.: (commenting on ADAM'S "FROM THE STREET" EXPERIENCES AND OBSERVATIONS.
Go to the cologne/perfume counter. Have them spray you two cards with two of
the most popular colognes. Then, take the two cards and walk up to every
FUCKING hottie that you see and ask them, "Excuse me... I just moved here
from L.A., and was wondering if you could tell me which of these perfumes
you like better,")
Another possible application. Just ask for some testers at the perfume
counter. Bring them to your "get together" and ask the girl which one she
thinks is a good one. Then spray the one that she likes on yourself. Can't
go wrong there, can you? First you get her in that trance state because she
is smelling the colognes and then you smell perfect. What do you think, lame
or game?
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D.S.:
(Commenting to Don: "(What is the best way to get a woman back to your place
for the first romantic date) Instead of taking her to a fancy romantic
restaurant where you'll pay $$$ for a chance of a romp, invite her to your
place for a fancy romantic dinner. (You can cook can't you?) If not, be
different and hire a cook for an hour (after which he makes a quick
exit) --- now that's an idea! Not many woman would have experienced a
private cook! Once dinner is over you don't need to find an excuse: she's
already there - ha ha ha! Pump her full of wine and frolicy conversation and
you're planting seeds in her soil. As we do, woman too worry about the
invite back. For them to accept your offer is a conscious decision on their
part to change the setting from a romantic one at the restaurant to a sexual
one at your place and if she is even somewhat prissy she may hold off. Start
the date with a romantic setting at your place and there is no conscious
decision necessary. Every movement is a reaction and getting sexual becomes
gradual and spontaneous --- and women love spontaneity. She'd screw your
brains out and then wonder in the morning how it happened so quickly. (Must
have been that cute cook!)":
Doh! This advice is the best I've seen perhaps ever. I'm only wondering
why I never thought about cooking for a date before. It seems stunningly
perfect. After dinner, there is no tension about your asking her back and
her accepting it. You're already back! And plus: a) you get to show
yourself as resourceful and skillful and creative in cooking the meal; b)
you get to do something for her that probably few have done before; c) you
get to drink as much fucking wine as you both want because no one's driving
anywhere anytime soon; and d) you save a grip of fucking money!
Colin, for me, your post just justified the pretty intensive sifting through
of information here. Thanks much for sharing the thought. You're a guy I'm
pretty sure who actually is getting laid. (Mystery another one of them, I
think.) If you have any tips on how to go about pulling off cooking a
romantic dinner _and_ then taking the brawd into the bedroom, might you
share them?
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Mystery:
My only drawback was the language barrier. I had a lot of difficulty in
meeting HB's on the street because they did not speak English -- but then
again, this is Russia. At first the only people who spoke English to me were
the gambling casino flim-flam boys running around, and all the whores (the
ones that would hang out at the posh hotels -- like the Sheraton, and it was
obvious what their agenda was) chasing after American money.
>I think the best places are night clubs. many strippers are NOT whores
>there (pride and all that jazz). street approaches are merely bonus
>rounds. waitresses, dancers, casino girls, shooter girls ... lots of
>hotties.
There were a few I found who spoke English, but it seems to be that my
options were quite limited because I did not speak Russian. I cannot begin
to tell you how frustrated I was seeing these beauties and not being able to
communicate with them.
>so you use the language barrier to your advantage. learn some magic. go
>kino faster. SHOW them something ... photo routine will ROCK.
I plan on going back -- and I will be starting a Berlitz class in Russian
language this month. It will be a two month course designed to get me fluent
in the language.
>cool. I have GERMAN Berlitz CD-ROMs.
What I am curious to know from you is your rating system -- you say LA is
an 8 Russia is a 9.5 -- is this in terms of looks of the women???
>no not looks, more like FREQUENCY. There are WAY more hotties in an hour
>than in Toronto. LA is great but Russia is AWESOME.
I think certainly LA has many hot chycks-- but I am sure that there are more
breast implants to be seen in LA than Russia. The Russian gals do have a
nice look -- a more Slavic look, and equally as nice.
>very true. very true.
By the way, what area of Russia is best for HB's?? St. Petersburg or
Moscow?? or is there another place??
I don't really know. In a way, who cares? Being foreign is a major plus.
Use the photo routine and playful childlike attention getting Kino, pouts,
skirt tugs, nuzzling, etc.
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Stephanie:
> Brother Bob:
> My comments to Stephanie below regarding her following comment:
>
> Stephanie wrote::
> > Do any of the men who subscribe to your seduction newsletter get women
> they
> > love and keep them for a lifetime? Is that what they are looking for
or
is
> > it just about the thrill of the chase?
> >
> > My Comment: Believe it or not there are married men and women on my
list
> who
> > aren't looking for new conquests. In fact, a friend of mine here in
> Montreal
> > and his wife read my emails and have been intrigued to find ways to
> improve
> > their already great relationship. Major Mark, who you may have read
about
> on
> > my list and who teaches in the Speed Seduction» seminars, has been
married
> > now for a couple of years and that looks like it's pretty solid.
> Personally,
> > I have always felt that when the right woman will come along, I would
have
> > no choice. Nothing else would appeal, nothing else would hold any
> interest.
> > But until then....
I can totally believe that there are married men and women who subscribe to
this newsletter. I am newly divorced and I appreciate the institution of
marriage. Surprisingly I have recently developed a new appreciation for
those among us who are single and yet unwilling to settle for the wrong
person. I always thought I was the type of person who was unable to be
alone. I have learned that I am quite different and cherish my freedom and
the independence that it represents. I had the idea that if you went out
and met different people then you always seem to have a revolving door in
your life instead of a real intimate life. I had a real problem with that.
I think I had that idea mainly because I have been unable and unwilling to
commit to anyone and most of the people in my life seem so willing to settle
down long before they really know who they are and what they truly want and
more importantly need. I have met a lot of men and I have no regrets. I
know well that whomever I end up with will have their hands more than full,
but I also know I am well worth it. I hope the right person comes along for
all of us and I hope I don't have to wait forever. But until then, I am
going to keep on with the challenges that dating and experimenting brings to
me.
Stephanie (Commenting on Ned:
> >>Stephanie:
> >> Do any of the men who subscribe to your seduction
> >> newsletter get women they love and keep them for
> >> a lifetime?
>
> Phrasing it in the plural, the unstated presupposition
> is that both these things are mutually exclusive.
> Why would I subscribe if I didn't love women? And
> as I find the women I love, why would I not keep them?
> Eurk, horrible questions! Now I'm coming up with
> all sorts of reasons to get rid of the women I love.
> It's absurd to think that there's a limit to being
> able to feel good, and even more absurd to think
> that over a lifetime, there's some limit to how
> many women I can share those feelings with.
>
> > Is that what they are looking for...
>
> I'm not actually looking for anything,
> at least not in the way you're thinking.
> It's an expectation. I expect that
> women are going to be attracted to me, and I
> look for mutually enjoyable ways to explore
> and deepen that attraction, in the limited time
> I have available.
>
> > or is it just about the thrill of the chase?
>
> I can see how it can be thrilling for women to
> chase me, and some are just addicted to that feeling.
Ned, when I asked this questions, first of all it was to Clifford, not to
everyone who subscribes to this newsletter. I do not assume that all men
only want one thing and if for any reason I did come to that conclusion it
would be because I usually only want one thing and I would be projecting my
feelings upon the people around me. I think it is terrific that you and
probably many others have no hidden agenda and just want to get to know
other people. I feel the same and this kind of thinking somehow justifies
my want and need to continue my journey with many quality people. You are
correct when you say you should not limit how many women you share feelings
with. As a woman, it is often looked down upon if you date numerous
individuals, but as a man it is viewed differently. Perhaps not all of the
time, but I have noticed this on many different occasions and I have to say
that I am guilty of dating many people and not always looked upon well
because of it. I love people (especially men) and I love the journey and
all of the faces and experiences that make it so worthwhile. When the right
man comes along I will have no choice, but to try to act like a lady. Until
then I am going to play and have some fun! When I first started receiving
this newsletter from darling Clifford, I read it and got pissed off, I will
not lie. Then I started deleting them and recently again actually reading
them. I am glad I did because my opinion has changed and I realize how much
effort all of the men are putting forth to meeting women and having
relationships that are satisfying to both parties. I think that is terrific
in a day and age where people do not seem to care and value love as much as
days past.
By the way Matt, what you said about finding the one when you stop looking.
You are totally right on the money. That is how I met my ex-husband and I
really believe that people enter your life at the right time. No matter how
many fabulous people you meet, it always depends on timing.
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Maxin:
Commenting on Dan: "Commenting on: "You are coming from the "dating frame"
here and will get what you expect. By following the traditional dating
process, you put sex on a pedestal and hand the controls over to the woman.
Wouldn't it be much better to create states of curiosity, excitement,
arousal, etc. and let that lead to its inevitable conclusion?:
If the 'inevitable conclusion' is sex, then I'm all for creating these
states. But when and where do you, or others, have that 'inevitable
conclusion' occur? Specifically, I mean. Concretely. When and where do you
nail them? And how do you get them to that physical place, whether it's your
apartment, her apartment, or the stall in the bar bathroom? With all due
respect, to me, to say you've just got to create certain states and
everything will lead to the inevitable conclusion from there seems to evade
the issue a little. A lot, actually. And if you, or someone else, might
respond, well if you just let things lead to their inevitable conclusion,
you'll have sex everywhere, anywhere -- if someone responds that way, I'd
say, where, exactly, have you had such sex occur? I remember many posts ago
a guy said he'd got hot and heavy with a brawd in a stall in a bar but
didn't bone her because the smell was so bad, and that he'd got her into the
bathroom just by seizing her hand and leading her away. I thought that was
great. That was a concrete description of one way someone tried to bone a
brawd. Maybe I'm alone here, but I'm really interested in such descriptions.
I know a few things I've said earlier might have seemed criticisms of SS,
and maybe the tone I took seemed a little hostile, but I really do have
respect for any system of thought that seeks to understand more about how to
communicate with women and how to be prepossessing with women. Someone,
perhaps it was Ross (whom I am still waiting to hear from on the challenge
he proposed), said that any guy could get a number, but that he was still
going to have to talk to the woman in a way she liked, and that's what SS
offered, and I admire that. But it really just leaves me a little
perplexed -- nonplussed, really -- when the advice is given to forget about
the 'dating frame'. Because what I want to do is: nail hot brawds. And the
way I understand it to be done, apart from one-night stands begun at clubs,
is to date the hot brawds. If people on this list are having sexual
intercourse with women without dating them, Lord on high let me know how!
But also describe _in depth_, if you could, concretely, exactly how these
encounters pass. You meet her on the street? You seduce her verbally on the
street? And then you take her immediately to the nearest motel? Or how? It
occurs that possibly with respect to SS I'm so much below the curve that the
actual where and how is not important to SS's practitioners, that they're
having sexual intercourse with women in a tremendous variety of places, from
the workplace, to bars and clubs, to fleabag motels. And that they're having
sexual intercourse with five to ten new women each month. If that's the
case, maybe I'm alone here, but goddam would I like to hear about it."
Maxin comments on the above:
This is an example of focusing on the wrong place. Your question reveals
essentially that a. you want to get good at seduction and b. that you
want to be prepared to know what to do when the opportunity presents
itself and very subtly also c. that sex is scarce and you don't want to
fuck up opportunities when they come up because they don't happen often
enough.
This is the area you may need to work on most. Seduction is fun. (repeat
that 10 times to yourself) and figure out how you can go out and meet women,
and have fun. Not "how can I seduce women" how can I meet women and have
fun, I've been where you are and asked the same question, so I know. Figure
out how to have fun meeting women and the rest will fall into place.
After you learn how to have fun meeting women, you begin to have many
prospects to "practice" on. And depending on what you know already and
your previous experiences with women, you may have to practice more than
some, and less than others. The chief aim of your practice, should be
"how can I get her to want to take ME home" not "how do I get her
somewhere I can bang her" at least that's what has worked for me.
See, I'm a very busy person, and I have had some bad experiences with
women, so I wanted to learn how to make them want me so bad they
couldn't stand it, and what I found is that Ross was right, women use
the technique of making irrational justifications for doing what they
want to do as they do for blowing you off if they don't like you.
My favorite technique for getting a woman home (and I posted this in
detail a while ago on Clifford's list) is to go out for drinks, coffee,
or whatever, early on a Friday or Saturday night, talk them up with
patterns until they are eager for more and dripping with excitement, or
at least do the best I can, and then simply say "Well, I gotta go, what
are your plans for the rest of the evening?" Sometimes they mention some
plan or another I say "Great, have fun, it was great talking to you,
it's too bad we'll probably never get the chance to talk like this
again... (Ross covers this in depth)" But more often than not they'll
ask what it is you are doing because they don't want to miss out. Now,
if you are a good little boyscout, then you will be prepared with a
couple different activities that she might enjoy, and hopefully you
elicited values and can utilize them here to respond with something
that'll get her attention. Or if you are lazy (like me), you can just
tell them you are going home to watch some videos that you rented
earlier (Room with a View is a good choice, and the Unbearable Lightness
of Being - I've never finished watching) I'm fascinated by how many
women take the bait on something as simple as videos, but you have to
lay a proper foundation.
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Jeff: Like at every college there are ton's of HBs at my particular campus.
I've approached many. Mostly I use the artist approach (which always gets a
laugh) and I've done the "Your shoes are untied" routine. They're usually
very nice to me but I can't seem to get them to meet outside of school.
Hey,
always say the same fucking thing too. I say I would like to talk to them
again sometime without any distractions or what steps would we have to
take... and they go, "Just talk to me the next time you see me around
school." Then a lot a times they'll say, "I'm always here." Which of
course is
impossible. Out of more then ten girls I've gotten one phone number. Any
suggestions?
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oui...fornicate:
Dan wrote:
> That was a concrete description of one way someone tried to bone
> a brawd. Maybe I'm alone here, but I'm really interested in such
Did you ever consider if women are turned off by your attitude?
> If people on this list are having sexual intercourse with women
> without dating them, Lord on high let me know how! But also
> describe _in depth_, if you could, concretely, exactly how these
I don't have time to explain in depth, quoting everything that was
said, and detailing every movement. People have been having sex for
centuries. Hell, millennia. It's not rocket science. Recently, I was
hanging out with a woman...friend of a friend...watching cable at
her apartment in the afternoon, and chatting. Conversation ebbs and
flows and, at one point, I'm getting the eye scan, so I lean in to
kiss her. Things heat up, and by the time we're half undressed, she
suggests we go into her bedroom. As I say, it's not rocket science.
> having sexual intercourse with women in a tremendous variety of
> places, from the workplace, to bars and clubs, to fleabag motels.
What's wrong with her place? Or yours? Personally, I find couches
and beds more comfortable than desks or bathrooms, but hey, ymmv (Your
Mileage May Vary).
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JT:
Was thumbing thru Maxim this afternoon (great magazine ) and
found a new digital wristwatch camera from Casio that stores
up to 100 B&W photos with names and numbers! Can you believe this
shit?!?!? What a great toy. $200 plus peripherals for downloading
to your hard drive and some other accessories I didn't check out
but I bought one for my son for Christmas. Go to Casio.com
and click on "watches". God, if I'd only had one of these a year ago!!!
Here's another one from Maxim....."semenex.com". You got to check
this out Bro. Hilarious!
This is not an endorsement...never heard of this stuff before.
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