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Special Edition “How I do it
Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:39:03 -0500


The following is a total kick ass business plan to meet and score with top
quality women.  It comes from one of my favorite brothers who has been on
this list for ages but has never contributed before because he is insanely
busy with his life.  And for those of you who have recently commented that
those reading this list are on it because they don't get laid, you are so
off the mark that it isn't funny.  I purposely go out and seek guys who are
highly successful with women (from anywhere I can find them, not only those
on the SS list by a long shot) and do my best to get them on the subscriber
list.  And there are guys reading this who are staggeringly successful who I
hope one day will do what "Sisonpyh" (hypnosis, backwards, by the way) has
done here.  After all, do you think that just because someone is successful
in an area in their life that they lose interest in it?  Does Michael Jordan
still talk about basketball?  You can be sure that, to the best of my
ability, I am out looking to add not only those who can benefit from the
advice and comments here, but also the superstars of this real world game to
be a part of this list.  Without further ado, here is one of the best
manuscripts you will find anywhere on how to be successful with women:


***For reasons that are obvious to some, I have to start by saying that this
is my PERSONAL experience and my PERSONAL technique. It is not meant to save
you or the world, and much of what I say may not appeal to you. If you don't
like it, don't use it. It ALL works for me, IN THE REAL WORLD, and has been
used over and over and over to get me laid. It all works FOR ME. You don't
need to argue with any of it, unless of course you're feeling insecure.


I made the decision about two and a half years ago that I needed to get the
area of my life 'handled' called 'dealing with women.' So I made a decision
and a commitment to myself and my best friend that I would do whatever it
took to learn and 'figure this out.' (Read Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon
Hill Chapter #1 for more on this mindset).

Background: I had always had 'girlfriends by default' as Ross Jeffries calls
them. they were there, and I felt lucky to have the opportunity to get them
to be my girlfriend. But I never knew how to approach women that I didn't
know, and I could sit in a bar for three hours making eye contact with a
woman, and never have the nerve to go talk to her. Right now I'm just
30, I'm about 5'10 160. I think I'm reasonably good looking, but I've never
been the kind of guy that women just walk up and approach. (I say this to
give you frame of reference in relationship to the comments in this
newsletter relating to looks, etc.) I've made myself more attractive by
paying attention, learning, and using what works.

When I made the decision to get this part of my life handled, I decided that
instead of trying to start with an angle (working at a strip club, becoming
famous for something, etc.) that I would like to learn in a way that gave me
power to act on just my presentation etc. (I may do the angle thing soon, as
I have my skills to the point where I like them now)

First, I looked at myself. I asked "If I were the type of woman that I would
like to seduce (I like super hot, very intelligent women), what would make
want to be with a man?"

So I started reading, listening to tapes, going to seminars. you name it.
I started to work on my 'presentation' of myself.

I now think that it's important to get EVERY POSSIBLE thing going for you
that you can.

If you have fucked up teeth, that doesn't prevent you from dressing well.
instance. So don't let it. Get a cool hair style. Buy nice clothes (don't
tell me that you don't have the $$$. get on eBay, go to the Nordstrom Rack
and look at the clearance items. I did it to begin with.) If you will do
a few key things, they won't necessarily HELP you get laid, but they'll get
rid of things that are PREVENTING you from getting laid now that you don't
even realize. Make no mistake about it. if you're interested in the hottest
women, you'd better realize right now that these things make a difference.
You don't have to work out 10x a week, but get your body in at least OK
shape. You don't have to have perfect teeth, but make sure that they're
and that your breath is great. Learn what nice shoes are, and how to keep
them nice. Figure out how colors and clothing go together and what is cool.
It's worth it. I wasn't 'cool' when I started, now I've learned how to be.
Huge difference. (Am I saying that you can't get laid if you wear Nike's and
have fucked up hair? No. But remember, a blind pig can find an occasional

Here's my mindset: Keep improving all the time, even if it's the SMALLEST
DETAIL. (I noticed recently that at least once every time I go out, a girl
will ask me for a light. I always just said "I don't smoke" or "No" and left
it at that. Couple weeks ago I said "Ah-Ha" and I went to the lighter store
SPECIFICALLY to find the coolest lighter that anyone has invented. I bought
this trick torch lighter that makes a huge flame. looks like a welding
So what do you think happened the first time I went out with it? Right. got
asked for a light. and fucking freaked the chick out. Nice.)

I intuitively knew that there were certain major steps to a 'seduction,' if
you will. This is how my mind naturally thinks.

I've now broken these down in my mind to:

Underpinning all of these is my self image, confidence, personality, and all
of that other intangible bullshit that takes a bit to get under control. so
let me address how I got that together before I talk about what I do
specifically. (By the way. this is the most important part of what I'm
writing right now. All the rest has flowed from my attitude and confidence.
not the other way around. So if you read nothing else, read this. not the
other parts.)

I've been studying NLP and hypnosis for years. since before it was cool.
because I have always been fascinated by how people work. So I began by
creating self image exercises based on NLP and Timeline therapy, and doing
them all the time. (Read Frogs Into Princes by Bandler and Grinder and The
Secret of Creating Your Future By Tad James) I also started keeping a
personal journal of everything that I was learning and doing, so I could
reflect on it. And MOST IMPORTANTLY I found and started to hang around with
guys that GOT LAID LIKE CHARLIE SHEEN. This was the biggie. I owe much of my
success to the guys who showed me in the real world what they did to get
laid. It wasn't the books and the people selling tapes and seminars. It was
the real world guys that were getting laid. What I do now resembles nothing
that I've really read in a book or learned from a guru (With one or two
exceptions that I'll share later). So the BEST advice I can give you is to
find about 5 guys in your area that know what the fuck they're doing, and
"Hey, I really want to get this part of my life handled. can I take you to
dinner (no kissing) and pick your brain man?" Be humble and cool, and you'll
make some friends. Like I said, find about 5 different guys so you can get
different perspectives and see how it all fits together. By the way, go read
the chapter in Think and Grow Rich about the Mastermind as well. IF YOU DO
this part, shut your mouth, and keep your learning cap on, you'll be one of
the guys that writes to Cliff saying "Well, when Mystery had this chick that
said "I really love it when a man just sweeps me off my feet" why didn't he
use the skydiving suckerfish pattern instead of kissing her?"

Those of you that know what I'm talking about say Amen, please. (I had to
say that for us)

I decided recently to start studying comedy, as I've found that women
respond to it better than any other thing in the whole goddamn entire
universe. So I
did a bunch of reading on the internet to find the best books, and I bought
about 5 or 6 of them. One book that I'm reading right now called "Comedy
Writing Secrets" by Helitzer made a great point... He said that most of
funny is the CHARACTER and not the jokes. Most of the guys that I meet who
want to learn to get laid are working on the jokes. I did it for about two
years myself. Tried to learn all the patterns and all the lines and all the
bullshit. It finally dawned on me that women were not really that concerned
with all of that. they wanted a particular CHARACTER. The lines didn't much
matter, as long as they fit in with the character. Now that I have created
this CHARACTER for women, things are all different. Women now call me. They
pursue me. They want to be around me. It's fucking strange and magical and

So what's the character that they want? Good question.

I have a good friend who's the best I've ever seen at picking up women in
bars and having sex with them that night. Now, I do better getting numbers
and closing the deal later. But this guy just kicks ass. And his whole
mindset towards meeting women is to be "Cocky and funny" (his words). My
opinion is that women are turned off by arrogant men. UNLESS. they're DAMN
FUNNY. This magic combination will attract women like this list attracts
who don't get laid. I'm following in my buddy's footsteps.

I'll try to summarize my character for you: "I know that this chick is
secretly trying to pick up on me. I'm going to play hard to get, make fun of
her, be indifferent towards her, and generally bust her balls as much as
possible. I know that she loves a guy that is so sarcastic that it makes her
nervous, so I'm going to really keep the heat on. and when she starts to
any interest at all on the outside, I'm going to blow her off and make her
prove to me that she wants me. so I can reject her again."

I do crazy shit like if I'm standing next to a girl at a bar, I'll turn to
her and say in a completely serious voice "Will you PLEASE stop touching
And then look them right in the eye.

Or say "What are you doing at a bar for godsakes? Can't you find a nice
normal guy? Or are you desperate?" All with a completely straight face.

I say things that make them actually think that I'm serious, but leave a
shadow of a doubt.

Here's what I'm looking for: If they respond in an insecure way and say "Oh,
I'm sorry. I didn't know that I was touching you" I'll keep it going. and
say "Well, you did. And if you're going to keep doing it, I'd appreciate it
if you'd touch a little higher." They crack up.

If they shoot something funny back like "Well, touchy touchy" and they know
that I'm kidding, I just stay in character and say "Yes, I don't like being
touched. So keep a foot or so between us please" and keep it going.

And yes, sometimes (not often) I'll meet a bitch and she'll get uptight. I
just walk away.

If you're going to do this, you have to remember to keep it going for the
entire time. don't turn into a dumb ass at the first sign of her liking you.
I keep up this shit until a chick is in my bed and naked. asking me to have
sex with her. and I say "No, I don't think so. You don't sound like you
really mean it." I'm not kidding. At all.

OK, so get out there and learn to be cocky and funny. By the way, read 'Body
Language»' by Julius Fast, Chapter 7. about Mike. I've read that chapter
about 50 times. You may not get it at first, but keep fucking reading it
until you do. The more you learn, the more you'll get it. Also, read 'The
Rules'. yea, the one for chicks. Do that stuff. it works. end all
conversations first, etc. Also, read 'How to Make Love to a Woman' by
Morganstern. Good stuff in there too. And learn how to be funny. do whatever
you have to do. It's the magic ingredient to add to your cockiness that sets
the mixture ablaze.

One more quick thing on chicks. I've learned that some women don't really
respond well to having their balls busted. These women are usually not as
intelligent, and like to think that they 'deserve to be treated better.'
Interesting combination. If you have one of these on your hands, you can go
ahead and treat her well, but you're going to find sooner or later that MOST
LIKELY (not always) she's going to be a pain in the ass and try to own you.

Now let's talk about the mechanics of what I do (and what some of my friends
who are get laid kings do).


This one is simple. I've tried every goddamn fucking thing that I've ever
heard. and a few have worked for me. Here they are.

If I'm in an environment that has a lot of people, and I'm with a friend, I
like to start by asking a woman for her 'opinion' on something. Here's how
happens. first of all, I keep my eyes open for current affairs and
interesting trivia that involves gender differences and tension. This makes
for amazing conversation openers with hot intelligent women.

My latest favorite: "Hey, let me ask you a question. My friend and I were
talking about something, and I think we need a female perspective." (This is
a killer, by the way. It's taken me a long time to figure this one out. but
it kicks ass). Then I say "I was just looking on the internet. and do you
know that the average woman in America is 5' 4", weighs 150 pounds, and
wears a size 14?"  Ohhhhhhhhhh DAMMIT

They usually grab the ball and take off into the conversation with just

Others include "Do you think that men understand what women really want and
need?" and "What do you think of this new trend of women wanting to pay
their own way. and the Charlie's Angel's theme song that sings about this as
almost a stuck up thing to do?"

You with me here?

After starting a conversation, get into Mr. Cocky and Funny mode, and you'll
do some good work.

If I'm alone, and the chick is alone/with friends I usually start with a
compliment opener. depending on the situation. And I always try to tie it
into the situation, so it doesn't sound canned. Women that I run into can
smell canned openers. I think that they're getting popular again or
something. because women can sense them like a dog senses kitties.

I might say "Excuse me.  I noticed you when I
walked in, and I had to take a second to find out what you were like." or
something equally plausible sounding.

What I've realized is. if you're going to approach a woman, what you say
doesn't much matter as much as HOW you say it (remember the character


I've really explained how I make them fascinated with me above. by being
cocky and funny at the same time. and busting their balls thoroughly.

But another important distinction that I've made is to never be too happy.
Women are intrigued when you stay very calm, almost unaffected. The real
hotties are used to having men get nervous when talking to them, and they
sense that you're different when you stay very cool, and calmly talk to
NEVER let them sense that you're interested. (By the way, all these rules
different if you're trying to get married. this stuff is for getting LAID)


I've now stopped going for numbers. instead I get email addresses. Let me
explain. I perfected the art of getting phone numbers a couple of years ago.
If a woman is single, I can walk up to her and get her number in under 90
seconds. I found out later, after working like a mad scientist on this that
numbers don't = Laid. Can I have an Amen again, my brothers who know what
I'm talking about?

OK, so here's what I do now.

After I've talked to a chick for about 3 or 4 minutes, I'll often say
something like "Well, it was nice meeting you. I'm going to get back to my
friends." They usually don't know what to do, as they're used to guys
clinging. Then, just as I'm turning to walk away. and we kind of disconnect.
I turn back and say "Do you have email?"

If they say yes, I take out a pen and paper and have them write it down.
(This is great, as I just treat the 'yes' that they give me as a yes to get
it from them as well. And they've ALL gone along with it so far) Then I say
"Write your number down there too." I won't go into all of it, but this move
is a powerhouse. When you ask for email, it's very low risk for them. so
they think "Fine, I'll do that". and then when they're already writing, I
get the
phone number too. which is more natural.

If they say "no", and that they don't have email, then I bust their balls
say "Well, do you have electricity?" Then I say "Well, OK then. I like email
better, but I'll take your regular phone number. it's so damn hard to reach
people on the phone these days." I hope you get what just happened. OK,
then, as they're writing I say "Is this a number that you actually answer?"
If not, then I say "Look, write your real number down. it's going to be OK,
I'll only
call you nine times a day." They laugh, and give me their real number.


Mystery just wrote some genius level stuff about this recently, which really
has me thinking. but here's what I've used so far.

First of all, my mindset. I have decided that I need about 20-30 minutes to
get to know a woman before I decide that I'd like to spend enough time with
her to get laid. I actually like women who I enjoy, and who I'd enjoy seeing
for more than just one bang session. So I like to meet them for a cup of tea
and talk for a bit, or even let that lead to a bite to eat sometimes. So my
mindset is that I'M THERE TO QUALIFY THEM. Not the other way around. They
pick this up, and respond accordingly.

Riker says that there are two roads that you can go down. The road of
'Friends leading to a long term relationship' or the road of 'Banging your
brains out.'

This is true. Women see men that they get involved with as either long term
material or fuck material. You want to be #2. If you like her, you can
switch to #1 later. Trust me. If you get on road #1, you're going to spend a
lot of time and $$$ and most likely never wind up with anything to show for
it other than a curious dry feeling just below your abdomen.

Also, I used to be very touchy feely with women. I'd massage their hands,
and touch them a lot, etc. leading to kissing etc.

I've now learned that if I lean back and kind of almost don't touch them at
all on purpose, it creates this tension, so that when I do actually touch
them, they respond powerfully. Milton Erickson calls this 'Building Response


So here's what I do once I have the email and/or phone number.

First of all, I really do like email better. I get probably 4 out of 5 women
that I email to email me back, as opposed to maybe 1 out of 2 or 3 calls
returned the first time.

I write and say "Hey, it was nice meeting you last night. what are you up to
this week? Would you like to join me for a cup of something wonderful and
some stimulating conversation? Talk to me."

If they don't answer that one, I write back a couple of days later "What,
playing hard to get already? Nice. Talk to me."

I get most of them emailing me back by this point.

When they do, I say "What's your # and when's a good time to reach you?"

Now, here's why I do this. Duh! When I email them, for some reason they feel
like we're friends because we've emailed back and forth. don't ask me to
explain it. it's fucking taken me two and a half years to figure it out.

They also return your calls after you've emailed them a couple of times.
again, don't ask me why. some freaky chick thing.

OK. so, now I'm on the phone with them. I want to get together with them for
about 30 minutes and see what they're like as a person, and decide if
they're someone that I'd like to know better.

I'll say "Well, let's see. what's your schedule for the next few days? (I
chose a time.) Why don't we get together tomorrow at about four. Do you know
where the blah blah blah coffee shop is? Great. if we get along, then maybe
we can go for a bite to eat. but you know, coffee is a safe bet. this way if
you're scary in person, I can say "Oh, hey. um. I just remembered that I
have to go floss my cat. it's really important." and then we can call it a

This makes them laugh, but it also gets them thinking "Who the hell is this
guy to be qualifying Me?" which is perfect. Next, I tell them that the
place is close to my house, and why don't they just meet me at my place,
the bell, and I'll come out and we can go. this way if she's a few minutes
early or late, I don't have to be waiting (got this from Riker, the fucking
genius that he is) Then I say "Now, let me ask you this. what are the
chances that you're going to not show up tomorrow?  Because
one of my pet peeves is people that are late or flaky. I can deal with a lot
of things, but I'm always on time and where I say I'm going to be, and I
never have an
excuse or don't show up. so I just wanted to make sure. because if there's
one thing that could end our friendship before it starts, it's flakiness."
This sets the right tone for flaking, as you can see.


Next, when we're getting ready to hang up, I say something like "Great, it's
going to be nice to get to know you better. And if nothing else, we can just

It's taken me and a good friend of mine a long time to get this piece. From
here on out, I constantly drop hints about just 'being friends' and how I
really 'like her as a friend' and how 'it's nice to meet someone that I like
as a friend.'

Hear me on this one. this fucks them up soooooo hard that they literally
don't know what to do. This is most likely the first time IN THEIR ENTIRE
LIFE that this has happened to them. And it continually triggers their
insecurity and makes them wonder why they're not attractive enough to you.
It also disarms them completely. (You have to really have the mindset that
are qualifying them, and that they're going to be your friend for this to


When they come over to meet me, of course I just happen to need to go put my
shoes on, or a belt on, or get my coat or whatever. so they come inside and
have to wait for a minute. This way they're already comfortable in my house.
(Thanks again, Riker)

Then I walk out, and seem like I'M IN A HURRY TO LEAVE. Most guys would try
to get them to stay and get cozy with them. I want them to think that I'm
not interested, and that I want some coffee. Total indifference.

At coffee, I'm just sitting and being my funny cocky self, making jokes, and
in general leaning back and making 'friends.'

I used to analyze handwriting, do palmistry, do hand massages, and touch
them. do patterns, whatever. Not anymore. Now I'm just sitting there ACTING
LIKE WE'RE BEST FRIENDS. When you act like a they're a best friend, they
will rapidly get comfortable with you. I make fun of people, whatever. I
just totally lean back and relax. I'm cool and relaxed, but at the same time
making comments about how we're going to be friends, etc. I've learned never
to compliment a hot woman on her looks, period. I still fuck up and forget,
and I'm always reminded why I don't do it. I try to find one thing that
she's insecure about, and talk to her about it like 'a friend'. no overly
critical, but not saying 'no, you shouldn't be insecure'. I just keep
bringing it up, and even making jokes about it.

Here are a couple of rules of thumb that I use:
1) Never give a woman a direct answer. unless the answer is NO. This is a
big one. If she says 'Can we sit here?" I say "No, let's sit in this one
next to
it" or if she says "How do you like my dress?" I say "Well, I think that I
like it. just give me a few minutes to see it on you" or if she says "Call
tomorrow" I say "No. You call me tomorrow. cummon, you want me and you know
it" Get it?

2) If she complains about you or doesn't like something, turn it up a notch
and do it more. If she says to me "I don't really like it when you say that"
I say "Well then you might want to leave, because I say it a lot" Get it?

3) Women are CONSTANTLY testing to see if they can get you to comply with
them, and as soon as you do, they hit the road (or marry you). This took me
years to see and understand, but the fact is that when you're dealing with a
powerful, hot woman, she will do all fucking kinds of things that make no
sense at all logically, but all the sense in the world when you understand
her mindset. Hot women can have anything they want. What they want is a
challenge. something that keeps their interest. Here it comes. If a woman
can have anything she wants anytime she wants it, then WHY THE HELL DO GUYS
EVERY OTHER GUY HAS DONE? Duh. Hey, I used to think this way. but then I got
a clue. Now, I pay very careful attention, and never let her have what she
wants. If she says "Kiss me" I say "No" if she says come over to my house I
say "I'm busy right now, I'll come over later" if she says "I want you so
bad, please make love to me" I say "Well, I think that you need to wait a
little longer, and besides, I'm not finished kissing you" Get it? I NEVER
give a woman exactly what she asks for. EVER!

4) Always send mixed signals. ALWAYS. Tell her I want to be friends, and
kiss her. Tell her that what she just did was unacceptable, then go kiss
Spank her if she does something nice. Also, respond differently to the same
thing. For example, one time if she comes over and sits on my lap, I kiss
her. Another time I push her off. get it? Never be predictable. NEVER.

OK, so we're on the way home from coffee (because I said "OK, let's go.")
and we're back at my house. Here's one that I love. if it's at night, look
your watch and say "Well, I have to get up in the morning. but. OK, you can
come in for a few minutes."

Fuck that's great. You're talking to her like she's trying to convince you
let her in, and she hasn't said anything! Nice.

Then I just walk in and let her follow. (By the way, just for the record, I
always open doors for women, walk on the outside of the curb, and pull
chairs out etc.) If you act chivalrous and bust her balls at the same time,
be rewarded with good things from Santa.

So now we're in the house. and I take her for a tour. and either sit down on
my bed to talk to her, or on the couch. wherever we kind of wind up. And I
just kind of get a little quieter and let her talk while I look at her. I
lean away from her and keep looking. sometimes looking away as if I'm
thinking about something.

Then, I reach over and start stroking her hair while she's talking. I stroke
down at the bottom first. If she's OK with this, I take it as a sign that
she's WAAYYYYY into me and is probably going to be wanting sex within 60
minutes (if you have any doubts, ask a woman if she'll let a guy stroke her
hair while she's on his bed on the first date if she's not into him).

This is a big piece of the puzzle that I've figured out. I used to do all
kinds of massages and other stuff, but I now use the simple hair stroke
If they like their hair stroked, they are at VERY LEAST going to be making
out with me in short order, period. I'll occasionally do a hand massage
or a little neck massage, but next I pull her close to me and cuddle with
her. and then land the killer.

I have personally always liked the way women smell. so when she's laying
next to me with me stroking her hair, I begin to smell her shoulders. just a
little at first, and then more and more. while stroking her hair. Within
about 5 or 10 minutes, I'm smelling her neck and ears. no kissing, and no
groping at all. Never! I'm just smelling, then leaning back and acting like
I'm completely enjoying the smelling, and it's relaxing me. Try this, my
friends. if you can keep on smelling. she'll get so turned on that you won't
believe it! At some point she'll try to kiss me. which is what I'm waiting
for. I will let her lips get close to mine. even touch just a teensy bit.
and then I'll back away. And keep smelling. I might say "Oh, you're kind of
forward" . love it. After a few of these, I'll kiss her. and run my hands
through her hair. the whole romantic kiss thing. then, again, I'll stop. I
personally like it when a woman is pleading with me to make love to her.
which I can do almost every time (Please don't take this as bragging, which
it surely is. but I'm serious. It's damn fun.)

Then, when it's over, I don't call them.

And yes, they always call me.


I'm too busy right now to really answer questions, so please don't dissect
this and ask me a million, because you won't hear from me again for awhile.

Well, this is my contribution after reading for years. I hope it helps.
you to all the guys that I've learned from. Rick, Steve, Orion, Eric, Riker,
Bish. you guys have made a huge difference in my life. Again, it's what
works for me, and YOU have to find what works for YOU. I think that if you
commit to getting it handled, and keep learning and improving yourself. and
find some kick ass guys to learn from, you can find your own style and your
own success. To all the guys that are busy finding reasons why a certain
type of girl won't like you, that's bullshit. It only exists if you believe
that it
does. You can have any fucking thing you want in your life. if you're
to figure out how to get it, and you're willing to work hard, kick ass, and
pay the price. Everything else is bullshit.

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One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo’s Double Your Dating» e-book.  David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" — which is "hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for several years now that I originally met through one of Ross’ Speed Seduction» seminars.  His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.

Ron Louis and David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes.

Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites that have been seen within this "seduction community". After seeing several terrible reviews and "flames" from, I decided to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal to anything I have seen in the past.  At any rate, I know you wanted a review.. and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his members area than I would expect to see from any other site.

Not only does this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee, but it stands alone and it’s program is unmatched. Right now they’re doing a Free Trial period, and I’d take advantage of this while you can. The site reads "Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women. From A – Z, you’ll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you’ll see why their members like this program so much.


Here’s another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past but I haven’t gone through the old emails to check. Do You Want To Know A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?

Advanced Macking has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.

This one also looked pretty interesting. Information on breakups and loving-styles.

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The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting. Comments, please.

Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using Personals for SexThe Guide contains the following Inside Secrets: Replying to ads – how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.   Placing ads – how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide contains a list of the best adult personals sites.

A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language to make others obey your command.

Arte’s New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman’s g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend – but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully.

Check this out.

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Cliff’s Comment: The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from them doesn’t send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors of these sites consider setting this up — from the little experience I have had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you are missing a lot of business by not doing this):


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