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Mystery Dissects Sisonpyh
Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:42:06 -0500


There isn't a lot that Mystery has said that adds to what Sisonpyh had
written, but I think Sisonpyh's words can't be reread often enough so here
it is:

Sisonpyh: You don't need to argue with any of it, unless of course you're
feeling insecure.

Mystery: I have a feeling I will agree (and therefore endorse) most of your
methods as being very sound advice though I may add some considerations
here and there.

Sisonpyh: I made the decision about two and a half years ago that I needed
to get the area of my life 'handled' called 'dealing with women.' So I made
a decision and a commitment to myself and my best friend that I would do
whatever it took to learn and 'figure this out.' (Read Think and Grow Rich
by Napoleon Hill Chapter #1 for more on this mindset).

Mystery: People who consciously decide to FOCUS on the PUA I believe
dramatically increase their desired results.

Sisonpyh: Background: I had always had 'girlfriends by default' as Ross
Jeffries calls them. they were there, and I felt lucky to have the
to get them to be my girlfriend. But I never knew how to approach women that
I didn't know, and I could sit in a bar for three hours making eye
contact with a woman, and never have the nerve to go talk to her. Right now
I'm just turning 30, I'm about 5'10 160. I think I'm reasonably good
looking, but I've never been the kind of guy that women just walk up and
approach. (I
say this to give you frame of reference in relationship to the comments in
this newsletter relating to looks, etc.) I've made myself more attractive by
paying attention, learning, and using what works.
When I made the decision to get this part of my life handled, I decided that
instead of trying to start with an angle (working at a strip club, becoming
famous for something, etc.) that I would like to learn in a way that gave me
power to act on just my presentation etc. (I may do the angle thing soon, as
I have my skills to the point where I like them now).

Mystery: Yes.  Get the basics of approaching people down and once you
discover you enjoy the game, you may decide to make your life congruent with
your new hobby (as I have - performing artist).  I highly suggest becoming a
comedian (amateur to start), a DJ (club or strip club), a hypnotist, a
bartender, bouncer, etc. to live more congruently.  It isn't WHAT you do
is nearly as important as WHERE you do it.  A job that forces you to
interact with women is a very good thing.  Working in a morgue is not good.

Sisonpyh: First, I looked at myself. I asked "If I were the type of woman
that I would like to seduce (I like super hot, very intelligent women), what
would make me want to be with a man?"
So I started reading, listening to tapes, going to seminars. you name it.
And I started to work on my 'presentation' of myself.
I now think that it's important to get EVERY POSSIBLE thing going for you
that you can.
If you have fucked up teeth, that doesn't prevent you from dressing well.
for instance. So don't let it. Get a cool hair style. Buy nice clothes
tell me that you don't have the $$$. get on eBay, go to the Nordstrom Rack
and look at the clearance items. I did it to begin with.) If you will do
just a few key things, they won't necessarily HELP you get laid, but
they'll get rid of things that are PREVENTING you from getting laid now that
you don't even realize. Make no mistake about it. if you're interested in
the hottest women, you'd better realize right now that these things make a
difference.  You don't have to work out 10x a week, but get your body in at
least OK shape. You don't have to have perfect teeth, but make sure that
they're clean and that your breath is great. Learn what nice shoes are, and
how to keep them nice. Figure out how colors and clothing go together and
what is cool.  It's worth it. I wasn't 'cool' when I started, now I've
how to be. Huge difference. (Am I saying that you can't get laid if you
wear Nike's and have fucked up hair? No. But remember, a blind pig can find
an occasional truffle.)

Mystery: "Well Groomed" is a must for all PUAs.  AND ... you'd be surprised
how many guys fuck this rule up.  Ask yourself, "Had I shaved the last time
I went out?  Had I shined my leather shoes?  Had I put on deodorant and
whore lure?"

Sisonpyh: Here's my mindset: Keep improving all the time, even if it's the
SMALLEST DETAIL. (I noticed recently that at least once every time I go
out, a girl will ask me for a light. I always just said "I don't smoke" or
"No" and left it at that. Couple weeks ago I said "Ah-Ha" and I went to the
lighter store SPECIFICALLY to find the coolest lighter that anyone has
invented. I bought this trick torch lighter that makes a huge flame. looks
like a
welding flame. So what do you think happened the first time I went out with
Right. got asked for a light. and fucking freaked the chick out. Nice.)
I intuitively knew that there were certain major steps to a 'seduction,' if
you will. This is how my mind naturally thinks. I've now broken these down
in my mind to:

Mystery: you have consistantly NOT gone for the kiss close I gather.  May I
suggest doing this more because the chance of establishing a LTR is greater
by being passionate ASAP.

Sisonpyh: Underpinning all of these is my self image, confidence,
personality, and all of that other intangible bullshit that takes a bit to
get under
control. so let me address how I got that together before I talk about what
I do specifically. (By the way. this is the most important part of what I'm
writing right now. All the rest has flowed from my attitude and confidence.
not the other way around. So if you read nothing else, read this. not the
other parts.)
I've been studying NLP and hypnosis for years. since before it was cool.
because I have always been fascinated by how people work. So I began by
creating self image exercises based on NLP and Timeline therapy, and doing
them all the time. (Read Frogs Into Princes by Bandler and Grinder and The
Secret of Creating Your Future By Tad James) I also started keeping a
personal journal of everything that I was learning and doing, so I could
reflect on it. And MOST IMPORTANTLY I found and started to hang
around with guys that GOT LAID LIKE CHARLIE SHEEN. This was the biggie.

Mystery: I believe of all my friends, I am the guy who gets the most women
so this works great with my friends but then how do I learn?  What is your
score?  Maybe you and I should hang out and share the field.

Sisonpyh:  I owe much of my success to the guys who showed me in the real
world what they did to get laid. It wasn't the books and the people selling
tapes and seminars. It was the real world guys that were getting laid. What
I do now resembles nothing that I've really read in a book or learned from a
guru (With one or two exceptions that I'll share later). So the BEST advice
I can give you is to find about 5 guys in your area that know what the fuck
they're doing, and say "Hey, I really want to get this part of my life
handled. can I take you to dinner (no kissing) and pick your brain man?" Be
humble and
cool, and you'll make some friends. Like I said, find about 5 different guys
you can get different perspectives and see how it all fits together. By the
way, go read the chapter in Think and Grow Rich about the Mastermind as
DIFFERENCE. If you DON'T do this part, shut your mouth, and keep your
learning cap on, you'll be one of the guys that writes to Cliff saying
"Well, when Mystery had this chick that said "I really love it when a man
just sweeps me off my feet" why didn't he use the skydiving suckerfish
pattern instead of kissing her?"
Those of you that know what I'm talking about say Amen, please.
(I had to say that for us)
I decided recently to start studying comedy, as I've found that women
respond to it better than any other thing in the whole goddamn entire
universe. So I did a bunch of reading on the internet to find the best
and I bought about 5 or 6 of them. One book that I'm reading right now
"Comedy Writing Secrets" by Helitzer made a great point... He said that
most of being funny is the CHARACTER and not the jokes. Most of the guys
that I meet who want to learn to get laid are working on the jokes. I did it
about two years myself. Tried to learn all the patterns and all the lines
and all the bullshit. It finally dawned on me that women were not really
that concerned with all of that. they wanted a particular CHARACTER. The
lines didn't much matter, as long as they fit in with the character. Now
that I
have created this CHARACTER for women, things are all different. Women now
call me. They pursue me. They want to be around me. It's fucking strange and
magical and weird.

Mystery: This is EXACTLY what I had done as well as have suggested to my
wings here.  I took it to the next level and got in comedy stages doing
short acts.  If you can attract an audience, you can attract 1 girl (or her

Sisonpyh: So what's the character that they want? Good question.
I have a good friend who's the best I've ever seen at picking up women in
bars and having sex with them that night. Now, I do better getting numbers
and closing the deal later. But this guy just kicks ass. And his whole
mindset towards meeting women is to be "Cocky and funny" (his words). My
opinion is that women are turned off by arrogant men. UNLESS. they're DAMN
FUNNY. This magic combination will attract women like this list
attracts guys who don't get laid. I'm following in my buddy's footsteps.
I'll try to summarize my character for you: "I know that this chick is
secretly trying to pick up on me. I'm going to play hard to get, make fun of
her, be indifferent towards her, and generally bust her balls as much as
possible. I know that she loves a guy that is so sarcastic that it makes her
nervous, so I'm going to really keep the heat on. and when she starts to
show any interest at all on the outside, I'm going to blow her off
and make her prove to me that she wants me. so I can reject her again."

Mystery: I highly endorse this advice.  I do this and I believe it is THIS
that helps my game.

Sisonpyh:  I do crazy shit like if I'm standing next to a girl at a bar,
I'll turn to her and say in a completely serious voice "Will you PLEASE stop
touching me?"   And then look them right in the eye.

Mystery: Good stuff. Ill try this out and tell you about my results.  It is
good for 1:1 though not valuable for social proofing in groupsets (where
are primarily found).

Sisonpyh: Or say "What are you doing at a bar for godsakes? Can't you find
a nice normal guy? Or are you desperate?" All with a completely
straight face.
I say things that make them actually think that I'm serious, but
leave a shadow of a doubt.
Here's what I'm looking for: If they respond in an insecure way and say "Oh,
I'm sorry. I didn't know that I was touching you" I'll keep it going. and
say "Well, you did. And if you're going to keep doing it, I'd appreciate it
if you'd touch a little higher." They crack up.
If they shoot something funny back like "Well, touchy touchy" and they know
that I'm kidding, I just stay in character and say "Yes, I don't like being
touched. So keep a foot or so between us please" and keep it going.
And yes, sometimes (not often) I'll meet a bitch and she'll get uptight. I
just walk away.
If you're going to do this, you have to remember to keep it going for the
entire time. don't turn into a dumb ass at the first sign of her liking you.
I keep up this shit until a chick is in my bed and naked. asking me to have
sex with her. and I say "No, I don't think so. You don't sound like you
really mean it." I'm not kidding. At all.

Mystery: Again, perfect advice.  What is your score in the game out of

Sisonpyh: OK, so get out there and learn to be cocky and funny. By the
way, read 'Body Language»' by Julius Fast, Chapter 7. about Mike. I've read
that chapter about 50 times. You may not get it at first, but keep fucking
reading it until you do. The more you learn, the more you'll get it. Also,
read 'The Rules'. yea, the one for chicks. Do that stuff. it works. end
all conversations first, etc. Also, read 'How to Make Love to a
Woman' by Morganstern. Good stuff in there too. And learn how to be funny.
do whatever you have to do. It's the magic ingredient to add to your
cockiness that sets the mixture ablaze.
One more quick thing on chicks. I've learned that some women don't really
respond well to having their balls busted. These women are usually not as
intelligent, and like to think that they 'deserve to be treated better.'
Interesting combination. If you have one of these on your hands, you can go
ahead and treat her well, but you're going to find sooner or later that MOST
LIKELY (not always) she's going to be a pain in the ass and try to own you.

Mystery: 10's admire you for busting their balls.

Sisonpyh: Now let's talk about the mechanics of what I do (and what some
of my friends who are get laid kings do).
This one is simple. I've tried every goddamn fucking thing that
I've ever heard. and a few have worked for me. Here they are.
If I'm in an environment that has a lot of people, and I'm with
a friend, I like to start by asking a woman for her 'opinion' on something.
Here's how it happens. first of all, I keep my eyes open for current affairs
and interesting trivia that involves gender differences and tension.
This makes for amazing conversation openers with hot intelligent women.
My latest favorite: "Hey, let me ask you a question. My friend and I were
talking about something, and I think we need a female perspective." (This is
a killer, by the way.

Mystery: Yep, good stuff.  Consider not saying FRIEND but his name.  Also,
consider asking her to SHARE HER PERSPECTIVE AS A FEMALE.

Sisonpyh: It's taken me a long time to figure this one out. but it kicks
ass). Then I say "I was just looking on the internet. and do you know that
the average woman in America is 5' 4", weighs 150 pounds, and
wears a size 14?"  Ohhhhhhhhhh DAMMIT I LOVE THIS ONE!
They usually grab the ball and take off into the conversation with just

Mystery: This is very clean stuff.  Love it.  (Another Mystery Endorsed

Sisonpyh: Others include "Do you think that men understand what women
really want and need?"

Mystery: Good, but consider rephrasing so its not a close ended question.
YES and NO answers bite.

Sisonpyh: and "What do you think of this new trend of women wanting
to pay their own way. and the Charlie's Angel's theme song that sings
about this as almost a stuck up thing to do?"
You with me here?

Mystery: Asking a girl to share her opinion on a social issue.  I like it.
Works great with the 3's rule.  Not good if you stale out and finally
approach her with this.  Very good stuff.

Sisonpyh: After starting a conversation, get into Mr. Cocky and Funny
mode, and you'll do some good work.
If I'm alone, and the chick is alone/with friends I usually start with a
compliment opener. depending on the situation. And I always try to tie it
into the situation, so it doesn't sound canned. Women that I run into can
smell canned openers. I think that they're getting popular again or
something. because women can sense them like a dog senses kitties.
I might say "Excuse me.  I noticed you when I
walked in, and I had to take a second to find out what you were like." or
something equally plausible sounding.

Mystery: As I was reading this I was about to debate the compliment thing
but this compliment is very subtle and evokes curiousity.  I like it.
However, consider NEVER saying EXCUSE ME.  EVER.  Instead, say HI.  Then

Sisonpyh: What I've realized is. if you're going to approach a woman, what
you say doesn't much matter as much as HOW you say it (remember the
character thing?).
I've really explained how I make them fascinated with me above.
by being cocky and funny at the same time. and busting their balls
But another important distinction that I've made is to never be
too happy. Women are intrigued when you stay very calm, almost unaffected.
The real hotties are used to having men get nervous when talking to them,
and they can sense that you're different when you stay very cool, and calmly
talk to them. NEVER let them sense that you're interested. (By the way, all
these rules are different if you're trying to get married. this stuff is for
getting LAID).

Mystery: Interesting insights on not getting too happy.  I convey enthusiasm
but it comes from what I have to say rather than my talking to them.  Also,
I believe that creating FASCINATION is not the result you want.  What I
strive for is ADMIRATION (very similar to ENVY).  If you can get her
admiring you for things you've done or had happen to you and they wish THEY
had similar experiences then you are MONEY.

I've now stopped going for numbers. instead I get email addresses. Let me
explain. I perfected the art of getting phone numbers a couple of years ago.
If a woman is single, I can walk up to her and get her number in under 90
seconds. I found out later, after working like a mad scientist on this that
numbers don't = Laid. Can I have an Amen again, my brothers who know what
I'm talking about?

Mystery: Yep.  A # is merely an OPTION.  There is still blurring to contend

Sisonpyh: OK, so here's what I do now.
After I've talked to a chick for about 3 or 4 minutes, I'll often say
something like "Well, it was nice meeting you. I'm going to get back to my
friends." They usually don't know what to do, as they're used to guys
clinging. Then, just as I'm turning to walk away. and we kind of disconnect.
I turn back and say "Do you have email?"

Mystery: Get both.  With the # comes the symbol of HER interest in you.
AFTER you get the #, THEN get the email addy too.  Getting an email is not a
positive indicator of her interest in you so much as her #.  Of course you
will email her first but you also have her # so you can play checkers
together on excite and then call her at the same time (if she has cable or a
2nd line).

Sisonpyh: If they say yes, I take out a pen and paper and have them write
it down. (This is great, as I just treat the 'yes' that they give me as a
yes to get it from them as well. And they've ALL gone along with it so far)
Then I say "Write your number down there too." I won't go into all of it,
but this move is a powerhouse. When you ask for email, it's very low risk

Mystery: I hear what you're saying.  Thing is, while asking for the # is not
going to get great results, LEADING her to give her # and then ALSO getting
her email is the thing to do.  "This was very good.  It's unfortunate we
have a time constraint as I've got to get going.  What steps must we take to
continue this?"

Sisonpyh:  so they think "Fine, I'll do that". and then when they're already
writing, I get the phone number too. which is more natural.
If they say "no", and that they don't have email, then I bust their balls
and say "Well, do you have electricity?" Then I say "Well, OK then.
I like email better, but I'll take your regular phone number. it's so damn
hard to reach people on the phone these days." I hope you get what just
happened. OK, then, as they're writing I say "Is this a number that you
actually answer?"

Mystery: Right. You are using the ASSUME THE SELL concept.  I have used this
countless times and yet have better results with LEADING THE CLOSE.  Never
ASK for the #.  Just LEAD her to suggest it to you.  Email is still too
wishy washy (as an indicator of interest).  Usually the job of attracting
her is done on the first meeting and is not spread to the phone call (you
don't want to have to TRY and convince her to see you on the phone).  I
admit that
email (or rather realtime chat) is good at conveying trust and such, I still
think you can do this better LIVE.  See where I'm coming from?

Sisonpyh: If not, then I say "Look, write your real number down. it's
going to be OK, I'll only call you nine times a day." They laugh, and give
me their real number.

Mystery: This is hammering THROUGH the shield instead of going UNDER it.

Mystery just wrote some genius level stuff about this recently, which really
has me thinking. but here's what I've used so far.
First of all, my mindset. I have decided that I need about 20-30 minutes to
get to know a woman before I decide that I'd like to spend enough time with
her to get laid. I actually like women who I enjoy, and who I'd enjoy seeing
for more than just one bang session. So I like to meet them for a cup of tea
and talk for a bit, or even let that lead to a bite to eat sometimes. So my
mindset is that I'M THERE TO QUALIFY THEM. Not the other way

Mystery: Fair.  Here is my mindset: I like to do whatever it takes to make
them like me and then I have the option to continue this into a relationship
if I so desire.  If not, I learned from the experience PLUS have a pawn for
the future.  I qualify them AFTER I have their #.  Besides, you will
appreciate a girl more when they already like you, right?  I don't qualify
them over COFFEE (Coffee - sitting at a cafe - is AFC bigtime).  I qualify
them after good kino (that way I know I COULD fuck her and if I don't I know
it's MY CHOICE and not actually HER CHOICE and MY EXCUSE.)  I like to WIN
even if I don't FUCK her.  There is also something very cool about having a
girl like you and you saying NO to HER.  Do this infront of your next target
and BAM you are into your next set with awesome social proof.

Sisonpyh: They pick this up, and respond accordingly.  Riker says that there
are two roads that you can go down. The road of 'Friends leading to a long
term relationship' or the road of 'Banging your brains out.'
This is true. Women see men that they get involved with as either long term
material or fuck material. You want to be #2. If you like her, you can
always switch to #1 later. Trust me. If you get on road #1, you're going to
spend a lot of time and $$$ and most likely never wind up with anything
to show for it other than a curious dry feeling just below your abdomen.
Also, I used to be very touchy feely with women. I'd massage their hands,
and touch them a lot, etc. leading to kissing etc.  I've now learned that if
I lean back and kind of almost don't touch them at all on purpose, it
creates this tension, so that when I do actually touch them, they respond
powerfully. Milton Erickson calls this 'Building Response Potential.'

Mystery: Hmm, ok.  I do kino and if the response is bad, I punish the target
with my negative body language» and silence for a few moments (which is one
type of neg - I use others too).  Without telling her you are training her
to do things that please you.  If she fails, she quickly realises you don't
treat her with respect and make her feel good.  NOT kinoing on her is
powerful but only once you HAVE and then STOPPED.

Sisonpyh: Onward.
So here's what I do once I have the email and/or phone number.
First of all, I really do like email better. I get probably 4 out of 5 women
that I email to email me back, as opposed to maybe 1 out of 2 or 3 calls
returned the first time.
I write and say "Hey, it was nice meeting you last night. what are you up to
this week? Would you like to join me for a cup of something wonderful and
some stimulating conversation? Talk to me."
If they don't answer that one, I write back a couple of days later "What,
playing hard to get already? Nice. Talk to me."

Mystery: Horrible.  Granted this phase is the most difficult to get
experience on because you can't get to this til you get successes with
previous phases.  The failures in this are: you didn't suggest something to
share (something to do - never coffee) on the # (or email) close.  This
failure will fuck up the chances of her wanting to get together (blurring).
Saying nice meeting you if to reaffirm that you JUST met.  Instead, go into
a topic of discussion as if you were the best of buds (just think what you
would email reply to someone you already knew well).  Asking what they are
up to this week sucks.  You know why - it leads them nowhere.  Instead, YOU
demonstrate your ability to take control by offering her opportunities to
get together.  "I need to pick up something at the mall.  I'm going to swing
by and pick you up so you can keep me company.  If you have anything that
needs to be done then we can share our chores."  This is SO MUCH better for
obvious reasons.  This cup of coffee thing is done SO FUCKING OFTEN (asked
of the girl by all the other guys in the past) that with it comes baggage
... memories of boring chats with people they didn't know.

Sisonpyh: I get most of them emailing me back by this point.
When they do, I say "What's your # and when's a good time to reach you?"
Now, here's why I do this. Duh! When I email them, for some reason they feel
like we're friends because we've emailed back and forth. don't ask me to
explain it. it's fucking taken me two and a half years to figure it out.

Mystery: Again, assuming the sell.  Your results will increase dramatically
if you give them an event option on the close (then you have a REASON to
close them).  Email is good no doubt but it stretches out the time from meet
to meet again from NEXT DAY to a WEEK.

Sisonpyh: They also return your calls after you've emailed them a couple
of times.  again, don't ask me why. some freaky chick thing.
OK. so, now I'm on the phone with them. I want to get together with them for
about 30 minutes and see what they're like as a person, and decide if
they're someone that I'd like to know better. I'll say "Well, let's see.
what's your schedule for the next few days? (I chose a time.) Why don't we
get together tomorrow at about four. Do you know where the blah blah blah
coffee shop is? Great.

Mystery: All this is old man stuff.  How old r u?  Fuck SCHEDULE.  A woman
NEVER schedules meetings with FRIENDS.  You are framing formal dating shit
this way.  AND you are structuring a ... DATE.  This is a horrible PHONE.

Sisonpyh: if we get along, then maybe we can go for a bite to eat. but you
know, coffee is a safe bet. this way if you're scary in person, I can say
"Oh, hey. um. I just remembered that I have to go floss my cat. it's really
important." and then we can call it a night."

Mystery: That is why inviting them to join you for a car ride to somewhere
(to get some shit done) is so powerful.  It's open ended.  You are in charge
and can choose where to take it as it goes.  Nothing like talking in a car
to trap a girl in a conversation.  Play music and blast it to make her FEEL.
Drive funky if you desire (give her the wheel and pretend to close your
eyes - while secretly having one eye open), head to the mall ... possibly
choose to visit a friend quickly ... even a sister.  She sees your life as
it IS - builds trust quickly.  At the mall, a sit down for food is natural
... but to exit a "shit, I got a page - my friend needs me to babysit - I
drop you off."  or better ... "can you get home ok?"

Sisonpyh: This makes them laugh, but it also gets them thinking "Who the
hell is this guy to be qualifying Me?" which is perfect. Next, I tell them
that the coffee place is close to my house, and why don't they just meet me
my place, ring the bell, and I'll come out and we can go. this way if she's
few minutes early or late, I don't have to be waiting (got this from Riker,
the fucking genius that he is) Then I say "Now, let me ask you this. what
are the chances that you're going to not show up tomorrow?
answer> Because one of my pet peeves is people that are late or flaky. I can
deal with a lot of things, but I'm always on time and where I say I'm going
be, and I never have an excuse or don't show up. so I just wanted to make
sure. because if there's one thing that could end our friendship before it
starts, it's flakiness."  This sets the right tone for flaking, as you can

Mystery: That is similar to the PHONE RULES that are given during the #
close.  "When I call you, remember my name and act pleased or I won't call
again.  Fair?  And in return Ill treat you the same."  Making a girl wait is
something I have done NUMEROUS times if they had pissed me off for
something.  If a girl was late for me, then I RECIPROCATE and make sure not
to apologize.  I act like it was no biggie.  "Hey.  I underestimated the
distance to here."

Next, when we're getting ready to hang up, I say something like "Great, it's
going to be nice to get to know you better. And if nothing else, we can just
It's taken me and a good friend of mine a long time to get this piece. From
here on out, I constantly drop hints about just 'being friends' and how I
really 'like her as a friend' and how 'it's nice to meet someone that I like
as a friend.'

Mystery: Intesting point - I guess you first look for whether or not it's
good to use or not.

Sisonpyh:  Hear me on this one. this fucks them up soooooo hard that they
literally don't know what to do. This is most likely the first time IN
THEIR ENTIRE LIFE that this has happened to them. And it continually
triggers their insecurity and makes them wonder why they're not attractive
enough to you. It also disarms them completely. (You have to really have the
mindset that you are qualifying them, and that they're going to be your
for this to work.)

Mystery: Yeah, I can see that work.  YOU LJBF them and this will throw them
off balance.  How do you, however, recover from this?  I mean, they will say
"sure, friends is good."  sure they say that outwardly and inwardly are
insecure, but how do you verbally recover later when you want to 'change
your mind'?

When they come over to meet me, of course I just happen to need
to go put my shoes on, or a belt on, or get my coat or whatever. so they
inside and have to wait for a minute. This way they're already comfortable
in my house. (Thanks again, Riker)

Mystery: This is if they come to YOU.  Of course, this imposes an ongoing
potential time constraint on the get together (it's HER CAR - her control of
the time).  Using YOUR car is safer.  If she drives to YOU, then getting her
in is a good thing.  If she calls from downstairs (apartment) you can say
"I'm on long distance to Chicago - come up ... apartment XXX ... BZZZZZZZZ."

Sisonpyh: Then I walk out, and seem like I'M IN A HURRY TO LEAVE. Most guys
would try to get them to stay and get cozy with them. I want them to think
that I'm not interested, and that I want some coffee. Total indifference.
At coffee, I'm just sitting and being my funny cocky self, making jokes, and
in general leaning back and making 'friends.'

Mystery: Great attitude - horrid EVENT.  You want to structure an ADVENTURE.
You don't tell her what is going to happen - you just let it unfold ... not
like a series of events like in a blind date (that bites - not the show but
the linking of lame events) but heading to destination A to get something,
then to B to drop it off, then to C to see friend ... then while there plans
change with new options, etc.

Sisonpyh: I used to analyze handwriting, do palmistry, do hand massages,
and touch them. do patterns, whatever. Not anymore. Now I'm just sitting
there ACTING LIKE WE'RE BEST FRIENDS. When you act like a they're a best
friend, they will rapidly get comfortable with you. I make fun of people,

Mystery: This is entirely congruent with my type of game.  You've spent a
hours be NORMAL and FUN and then you head back to your place still acting
normal ... and THEN ... phase shift to kino ... with the kiss close and
acting like a pouty child needing attention.

Sisonpyh: I just totally lean back and relax. I'm cool and relaxed, but at
the same time making comments about how we're going to be friends, etc. I've
learned never to compliment a hot woman on her looks, period. I still fuck
and forget, and I'm always reminded why I don't do it. I try to find one
thing that she's insecure about, and talk to her about it like 'a friend'.
no overly critical, but not saying 'no, you shouldn't be insecure'. I just
keep bringing it up, and even making jokes about it.
Here are a couple of rules of thumb that I use:
1) Never give a woman a direct answer. unless the answer is NO.
This is a big one. If she says 'Can we sit here?" I say "No, let's sit in
this one next to it" or if she says "How do you like my dress?" I say "Well,
think that I like it. just give me a few minutes to see it on you" or if she
says "Call me tomorrow" I say "No. You call me tomorrow. cummon, you want me
and you know it" Get it?

Mystery: I do do this.  Cool - we found what works.

Sisonpyh: 2) If she complains about you or doesn't like something, turn it
up a notch and do it more. If she says to me "I don't really like it when
you say that."  I say "Well then you might want to leave, because I say it a
lot" Get it?

Mystery: Agreed.  Now is the time I should tell you about a visual metaphor
that I've been considering lately.  It's called HOOP THEORY.  A girl will
up a hoop and expect you to jump through it.  An example: "What sign are
you?"  Most just will jump through her qualification (she only asks cause
she wants you to be a COMPATIBLE sign) but instead, grab HER hoop and hold
it in front of her for her to jump through ... "Guess."  Now SHE must jump
through her own hoop.  This example was a very simple one but HOOP THEORY
gets profound as more hoops get held up by her.  I will be expandng on the
HOOP metaphor in my book I figure.  Examples from the field, how to change
hands from her to you, etc.

Sisonpyh: HER: I don't really like it when you say that.
Mystery: (her hoop is held - she wants you to acknoledge that you will
change - thereby jumping through the hoop.)

Sisonpyh: YOU: Well then you might want to leave because I say it a lot.
Mystery: (If she doesn't leave, she has jumped through the hoop.)

Mystery:You may jump through her hoops, but must hold your own hoops up (the
same # of them) for her then.  Just think, "Ok, I jumped through one of
hers.  She OWES me one."  NEG's are hoops.  If she NEG's you, you must
remember to NEG her soon after.  Hey, fair is fair.

Sisonpyh: 3) Women are CONSTANTLY testing to see if they can get you to
comply with them, and as soon as you do, they hit the road (or marry you).
This took me years to see and understand, but the fact is that when you're
dealing with a powerful, hot woman, she will do all fucking kinds of things
that make no sense at all logically, but all the sense in the world when you
understand her mindset. Hot women can have anything they want. What they
want is a challenge.

Mystery: EXACTLY.  HOOPS!  They make hoops and we jump through them.  ONLY -
they will accept the challenge to jump through OUR HOOPS when we provide
them.  Why do they do it?  For the same reason why AFC's jump through THEIR
hoops - the need for acceptance (insecurity).

Sisonpyh: Something that keeps their interest. Here it comes.
If a woman can have anything she wants anytime she wants it, then WHY THE
EVERY OTHER GUY HAS DONE? Duh. Hey, I used to think this way.
but then I got a clue. Now, I pay very careful attention, and never let her
have what she wants. If she says "Kiss me" I say "No" if she says come over
to my house I say "I'm busy right now, I'll come over later" if she says "I
want you so bad, please make love to me" I say "Well, I think that you need
to wait a little longer, and besides, I'm not finished kissing you" Get
it? I NEVER give a woman exactly what she asks for. EVER!

Mystery: Perfect.  So my HOOP THEORY is valid then.  Good.  You reaffirm
that my theory is sound.  AWESOME.

Sisonpyh: 4) Always send mixed signals. ALWAYS. Tell her I want to be
friends, and kiss her. Tell her that what she just did was unacceptable,
go kiss her. Spank her if she does something nice. Also, respond differently
to the same thing. For example, one time if she comes over and sits on my
lap, I kiss her. Another time I push her off. get it? Never be predictable.

Mystery: DUDE!  This is some AWESOME shit.  I have from time to time in my
past done this and I never noticed it before.  This is AWESOME.  I LOVE IT.
What is this called?  MIXED SIGNAL THEORY?  (It needs a name).

Sisonpyh: OK, so we're on the way home from coffee (because I said "OK,
let's go.") and we're back at my house. Here's one that I love. if it's at
night, look at your watch and say "Well, I have to get up in the morning.
OK, you can come in for a few minutes."
Fuck that's great. You're talking to her like she's trying to
convince you to let her in, and she hasn't said anything! Nice.

Mystery: PERFECT STUFF.  This works.  This again is ASSUMING THE SELL

Sisonpyh:  Then I just walk in and let her follow. (By the way, just for
the record, I always open doors for women, walk on the outside of the curb,
and pull chairs out, etc.) If you act chivalrous and bust her balls at the
same time, you'll be rewarded with good things from Santa.
So now we're in the house. and I take her for a tour. and either sit down on
my bed to talk to her, or on the couch. wherever we kind of wind up. And I
just kind of get a little quieter and let her talk while I look at her. I
lean away from her and keep looking. sometimes looking away as
if I'm thinking about something.

Mystery: Here you are trying to phase shift from NORMAL to SEXY KINO.  I
give them the "There comes a time to just shut the fuck up and trust your
emotions" speech.  (That is the punchline to the entire routine - find the
routine somewhere out there - I gave it to Craig - he has the text AND saw
it in real life by me too).

Sisonpyh: Then, I reach over and start stroking her hair while she's
talking. I stroke down at the bottom first. If she's OK with this, I take it
as a
sign that she's WAAYYYYY into me and is probably going to be wanting sex
within 60 minutes (if you have any doubts, ask a woman if she'll let a guy
stroke her hair while she's on his bed on the first date if she's not into
This is a big piece of the puzzle that I've figured out. I used to do all
kinds of massages and other stuff, but I now use the simple hair stroke
If they like their hair stroked, they are at VERY LEAST going to be making
out with me in short order, period. I'll occasionally do a hand massage
here, or a little neck massage, but next I pull her close to me and
cuddle with her. and then land the killer.

Mystery: Yep.  Consider doing the KISS CLOSE - it's a KILLER right about

Sisonpyh: I have personally always liked the way women smell. so when
she's laying next to me with me stroking her hair, I begin to smell her
shoulders. just a little at first, and then more and more. while stroking
hair. Within about 5 or 10 minutes, I'm smelling her neck and ears. no
kissing, and no groping at all. Never! I'm just smelling, then leaning back
acting like I'm completely enjoying the smelling, and it's relaxing me. Try
this, my friends.

Mystery: R U ... Mystery?  I do this!!!!  Your shit is really pro, dude.
are spot on.  I slow my speech and whisper "you smell sooo good.  I want to
bite your neck ... right there."  Wait for a reaction ... then in you go and
bite.  Remember that biting the neck is going to give her that autonomous
paralysis that all mammals get (your hair stands on end).  Hold a cat by the
scruff of the neck and they paralyse.  Horses bite the neck while fucking.
MANY animals do and this is left over in HUMANS, TOO! Lucky us.

Sisonpyh: if you can keep on smelling. she'll get so turned on that you
believe it! At some point she'll try to kiss me. which is what I'm waiting
for. I will let her lips get close to mine. even touch just a teensy bit.
and then I'll back away. And keep smelling. I might say "Oh, you're kind of
forward" . love it.

Mystery: After a successful kiss close - I do what you do too.  This is

Sisonpyh: After a few of these, I'll kiss her. and run my hands through her
hair. the whole romantic kiss thing. then, again, I'll stop. I personally
like it when a woman is pleading with me to make love to her.  which I can
do almost every time (Please don't take this as bragging, which it surely
is. but I'm serious. It's damn fun.)
Then, when it's over, I don't call them.
And yes, they always call me.
I'm too busy right now to really answer questions, so please don't dissect
this and ask me a million, because you won't hear from me again for awhile.

Mystery: This has been (barely) dissected for the benefit of all Cliff's

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