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Sisonpyh Elaborates
1/13/01 9:41:58 AM Eastern Standard Time


To start, ***APPLAUSE*** to the guys who are taking the time to write out
details of their systems. I am learning so much from you and appreciate your
efforts. Thank you.

And for the rest of you guys who have great ideas to share, I encourage you
to take a couple of hours and spread the wealth to your brothers.


OK, let's get ridiculous here, for the sake of clarity.

To set the context of what I'm about to say, I want to make it clear again
that I'm NOT just interested in 'getting laid' and I'm NOT just interested
in 'average women' and I'm NOT interested in 'moderate success'.

Now, for better or worse, my goals WHEN I STARTED were to GET THIS PART OF

If you were to ask me "How do I succeed with women" I'd answer "Make a lot
of money." That's the simplest way to do it for the majority of men. In the
animal kingdom, means are the most attractive thing to females, and the
highest corollary of success with females.  Then comes looks, size, etc. So
if you want chicks, make money.  Of course, you need to let the chicks know
you have money, etc., but if you make a lot of money, you can always call an
escort if you want to get laid.  It's that simple. I mean, let's face it,
many women have sex with men because they feel obligated for what the man
has done for them, i.e. dinner, gifts, etc.

But like I said, what I'm talking about is MASSIVE success with YOUNG, SUPER
hotties. And based on my SKILLS and not my money or my 'angle.' Keep that in
mind as you read this.

In my opinion, super hotties have, in general, gone through a learning curve
here in our western culture that has, on average, given them a sort of
'predictable psychological makeup.' Now, there are differences between these
women.  Some are smart, some are not.  Some are tall, some are short. Some
are cerebral, some are physical. etc. etc. etc. but there are things that
of them have in common. I've made a study of these things, because this is
what interests me.

At some point in their lives, hotties began to be treated differently
because they were attractive. In social psychology this is referred to as
'The Halo Effect.' Simply stated, attractive people are assumed to be
smarter, more honest, more trustworthy etc. than others. The fact that
people do whatever the hottie wants begins to blur their sense of reality,
and makes them believe that they can just have whatever they want whenever
they want it. AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY LIFE IS. (This applies in general.)

You'll notice that many super hotties will throw tantrums if they don't like
what's going on or they are not getting their way.  This is a sure sign that
they are not living in the same reality as most people.  When they don't get
what they want, they get upset because this has worked since they were

Now, on a subconscious level, I've noticed that most hot women realize that
they are being ridiculous when they act like bitches, throw tantrums, etc..
but it doesn't really matter because it still WORKS for them when they want
what they want.  Are you with me?

Underneath all of this, they are still FEMALE and they are looking for what
other females are looking for.

What are women looking for?

Well, for the record, I have no fucking idea.  After 30 years of studying
people, Freud said that there was one question that he didn't have the
answer to. "What do women want?" Nice.

BUT, here's my take on it.  First and foremost, they want a man that is in
CONTROL. (Of the situation, himself, his emotions, other people, her.
Control of the entire reality that they share.)

Let me ask you, if you were a woman that wanted to test a man to see if he
will stay in control, how would you do it? Would you ask the man "If I get
out of hand, will you spank me and put me in my place?"


So they test us by CHALLENGING to see if we'll stay in control. The reason I
do all of this "Never give a woman a direct answer, unless it's NO. Never
give a woman exactly what she wants." etc. is, ironically, to give her what
she REALLY wants: a man that's in control.

Women want a challenge.  Think romance novel themes. If you don't know what
I'm talking about, sit your ass down for a week and read Dangerous Men,
Adventurous Women, How to Succeed With Women By Being A Jerk, Endless
Rapture, and Bad Boys and think about it.

If you read what I wrote in my past posts, and assumed that I'll spend an
entire evening with a woman, eat dinner, watch a movie, go shopping,
whatever and the WHOLE TIME I'm being a complete asshole, you missed what
was going on entirely.

I was pointing out the DISTINCTIONS that make me attractive to the super
hotties that I'm after.

Most of the time, I'm enjoying myself, talking about whatever comes up,
making jokes, and generally behaving like a normal person.

If you read what I wrote again carefully, you'll realize that the things I
pointed out were the things that I do DIFFERENTLY than most guys.

But, like anything else, if these techniques are used too much, they become
worthless so they must be used with precision and at the right moments.

What's interesting is that because I usually (but not always) do these
teasing and seemingly controlling things with a bit of a dry humor spin, I
believe that the woman that I'm with has an internal response like "Wow,
this guy is cocky, but I can't tell if he's serious or not. And I want to
find out.  But either way, he's funny and he's staying interested in me, and
not being flagrantly abusive, so he must be interested at SOME level."

The key is to WATCH FOR THE TESTS and be ready when they come.

Most guys fuck up when a woman acts bratty.  When a woman gets upset, they
say "Oh, I'm sorry" and fuck it up. Or they act nervous, etc. You have to
stay in control.  If a woman starts getting angry, instead of getting
nervous, say "Oh, poor baby is throwing a tantrum. So what, you've been
doing this same thing since you were 2 and you didn't get your way."


Another realization that I've come to is that super hotties are totally
intrigued by men that seem uninterested and crass.  It's almost like they
to themselves "Wow, this guy seems kind of cocky and I can't believe that
he's not interested in fucking me like all the other dumb pussies that I
meet. He's funny and smart. I wonder if I can get him interested in me.  And
when I do, I'll just dump him like the other losers.  But this might be

Get it?

But if you are going to act this way, you have to keep it up until the end.
And I mean to the end.

A common theme I hear:
Fuck me right now!"

Cliff is waaaay right on this one. Persistence is key. Never give up.  If a
woman says "We're not going to have sex tonight" I immediately think to
myself "Ohhh, she just let me know that she's feeling some temptation and
wants to get the responsibility off of herself. This is going to be fun and

Trust me on this one.

Their words are usually hollow and meaningless. Watch their BEHAVIOR. now,
DON'T take this to mean that if a woman says "STOP" when you're touching her
that she wants you to rape her.  This kind of dumb-ass thinking will result
in jail and a large boyfriend named Barjonis.

Just realize that a "No" that is said with longing in her eyes or passion in
her kiss usually means "Get me more turned on by kissing my neck, caressing
me, smelling me, and saying romantic and sexy things."

I'm going to wrap up by addressing the 'treating women well' issue again.

I treat women very well. They always tell me that they've never met a man
that treated them so well, etc. How can this be when I seem like such a ball
buster? Well, it's simple really. I do nice things for them ON MY OWN TERMS.
I will surprise them with a thoughtful email, or a card. or I might give
them a nice massage. I open doors and walk on the outside of the curb.  Like
I said in my original email, I treat women very well. But part of most
women's romantic fantasy (in my opinion) is my taking control of the
and doing things on MY terms. Try it for yourself. next time you're going to
meet a woman, tell her what to wear. Choose the food and tell her to trust
you.   If she asks for a kiss, say "No", but kiss her later when YOU feel
like it. If you know that she likes chocolate, and she asks for some don't
it to her.  But surprise her with some next time you see her.  Get it?

Hats off again to the guys who are taking the time to explain what they do
in detail, not arguing for the sake of arguing, and for sharing TRUE
expertise gained by experience.
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