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Starter-set” techniques when achieving nookie enlightenment
2/2/01 5:12:39 PM Eastern Standard Time


Marc has gone through all the old posts (quite a job, I can assure you) and
selected out reviews on all the books that have appeared here over the past
few years that this email list has been sent out.  The finished product
appears to run over 39 pages so I decided not to send it out, but it is
available on request to anyone who wants it.  But here is the index:

"Nice Guys Don't Get  Laid" 6
How to Be the Jerk Women Love: Social Success for Men and Women in the '90's
by F. J. Shark  Frank Spavlica 6
Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill 6
"The Way of the Superior Man" 7
The Rules For Getting Laid by David Graff, Ray Schwartz and Daniel Deitrich
The Rules : Time Tested Secrets for Capturing the Heart of Mr. Right by
Ellen Fein and Sherrie Schneider 9
Bed the woman of your dreams by David Hill 9
How to Succeed With Women by Ron Louis, David Copeland 9
True Love by Robert Fulghum 10
Dangerous Men and Adventurous Women by Jayne Ann Krentz 11
Endless Rapture: Rape, Romance and the Female Imagination by Hazen 11
Bad Boys : Why We Love Them, How to Live With Them, and When to Leave Them
by Carole Lieberman 11
The Erotic Adventures of Sleeping Beauty; the second volume of which is
called Beauty's Punishment 11
Light Her Fire Ellen Kreidman 11
My Secret Garden  by Nancy Friday 11
Anatomy of Love: A Natural History of Mating, Marriage, and Why We Stray by
Helen Fisher 12
Aromantics: Enhancing Romance, Love, and Sex with Nature's Essential Oils by
Valerie  Ann Worwood 12
Sex on the Brain: The Biological Differences Between Men and Women by
Deborah Blum 12
The Evolution Of Desire by David M. Buss 13
Love Types by Alexander Avila 13
Poetry by Jalal Al-Din Rumi 14
The Prophet by Gibran 14
Time for a Change by Bandler 14
Persuasion Engineering by Bandler and La Valle 14
"CONFIDENTIAL-Uncover Your Competitors' Top Business Secrets Legally and
Quickly, and Protect Your Own"  by John Nolan 15
Instant Rapport by MICHAEL BROOKS 15
Reframing by Bandler and Grinder 15
Time Line Therapy and the basis of Personality by Tad James 15
If: Questions for the Game of Life by Evelyn McFarlane and James Saywell 16
Secrets of The Cube" by Annie Gottlieb and Slodoban D. Pesic 16
Easy to Master Card Miracles vols. 1-6 by Michael Ammar 17
Easy to Master Money Miracles vols. 1-3 by Michael Ammar 17
Self Working Card Tricks vols 1&2 by Mike Maxwell 17
"Dinner Table Coin Magic", "Stunts with Coins". 18
Chinese Numerology by Richard Webster 18
"The Secret Dakini Oracle Deck" 18
Bluff your way into astrology by Alexander C. Rae 19
Seduction by Astrology by Ren Alexander and Geraldine Rose 19
Women, Sex, & Astrology by Sarah Bartlett 19
Completely Cold by Kenton Knepper and J. Tank 19
How to Find, Control and Seduce the Woman of Your Dreams (And How to Get Rid
of Them if They're Not) by Dusty White 21
How to be Funny by Steve Allen 21
The Funny Men by Steve Allen 21
Successful Standup Comedy by Gene Perret 22
Zen and the Art of Comedy 22
The Complete Manual of Sexual Positions by Jessica Stewart 22
Sexational Secrets: Erotic Advice Your Mother Never Gave You by Susan Crain
Bakos 22
Secrets of Sensual Lovemaking by Tom Leonardi 22
The Fine Art of Erotic Talk by Gabriel 22
Oral Caresses 22
The Ultimate Guide to Anal Sex for Women 23
SM 101--A Brief Introduction_ by Jay Wiseman 23
How to be The Perfect Lover by Graham Masterson 23
How to Drive your Woman Wild in Bed by Graham Masterson 23
The Venus Butterfly for Women 24
ESO: How You and Your Lover Can Give Each Other Hours of Extended Sexual
Orgasm by Alan and Donna Bauer 24
Penis Enlargement 25
Threesome: How to Fulfill your Favorite Fantasy by Lori E. Gammon 25
Polyamory : The New Love Without Limits : Secrets of Sustainable Intimate
Relationships by Deborah M, Dr. Anapol 25
"How to Juggle Women: Without Getting Killed or Going Broke" by Stefan
Feller 26
Professional Stage Hypnosis by Ormand McGill 26
Trance-formations by Richard Bandler and John Grinder 27
Hyper Emperia by Eugene D. Alexander Ph.D. & Elizabeth Alexander. 27
"Influence, the Psychology of Persuasion", Robert Cialdini 27
48 Laws of Power» by Robert Green and Joost Elffers 27
The Transformation of a Man, Werner Erhard,  The Founding of EST"  biography
by W.W. Bartley III 28
Sex Magick by Louis Culling 28
The Jewel In the Lotus by Saraswati and Avinishu 28
Hypnotism and Mysticism of India by McGill* 28 28
Psychic Sexual Command 29
Psychic Sexuality by Ingo Swann 29
Energy Medicine by Donna Eden 30
Instant Emotional Healing by Peter Lambrou and George Pratt 30
Patti Conkin 30
Persuasion Engineering by Bandler and John LaValle 31
Unlimited selling Power : How to master Hypnotic sales skills by Moine and
Lloyd 31
Outfoxing the Foxes 31
29 Reasons Not To Be A Nice Guy 31
Charming Prince Charming 32
Sex wizards mailing list 32
How-2 Meet Women, The Shy Man's Guide to Relationships by Cartaphilus 32
Johnny Shack's Women are Easy! 34
How to Make Anyone Fall  in Love With You by Leil Lowndes. 34
Talking the Winner's Way:  92 Tricks for Success in Business and Personal
Relationships by Leil Lowndes 36
Love Types by Alexander Avila 36
Trilby By George du Maurier 36
The Joy of Sex 37
Books by Wolf de Voon 37
Hyper-Sex: Pathways to Ecstasy by Eugene D. Alexander, Ph.D. 37
Secrets Of Being Successful With Girls 37
Doctor Casanova's Seduction Clinic 38
How to Pick Up Girls by Eric Weber 38 38


Does anyone have any recommendations for books that would exhibit a good PUA
outlook (or a just plain good outlook on life)? On just how to view life/get
the right attitude in general/maybe even self esteem style stuff? Not just
limited to confidence/get yourself going/ but actually view life in a more
positive way.
Attitude seems to be a very important factor, and something like this would
help people learn it.


Marc (responding to something posted some time ago by Riker):
> Riker: I was wondering, does anyone
> have access to, or know where one
> can find, statistical data regarding number
> of sex partners that a person has had?
> Preferably broken down by male/female,
> age, location, etc. I am curious and was
> just wondering if such data existed in any
> form, anywhere.

I am sure you can find useful information in the resources below.

The Kinsey Report

Naturally, not everybody agrees with Kinsey

Sex surveys


>  library might have bad girl fantasies

That should read librarian.
>  After doing the LAUGHORGASM -- I then do a takeaway.  I tell her it was
>  chatting with her, but you've got to get going.

This should read "I've got to get going."  You take yourself away -- you
don't send them off.


I had an email this morning from the woman I'm currently involved with
that leads into what Halbster wrote with regards to strippers.

Halbster wrote:
> +They (at least some of them) don't just have boobs they also have brains.
> Many of them are quite intelligent.  Many of them are putting themselves
> through college,  sometimes even grad or professional school.  I have the
> pleasure of knowing one who is now doing very well in medical school.

Mike's comment applies equally well to all women. Thanks for the great
post, Mike. Here is what my friend wrote:

"I used to tell guys--way back when--that I need to be turned on
intellectually before I could ever be turned on sexually.  And you, my
sweetheart have done both from the very beginning.  Keep going."

Simple, straightforward advice from a woman's perspective. I personally
prefer intelligent women. That leads into what I consider to be one of
the main tenets of seduction. That is that you have to capture and lead
her imagination. Mike illustrates that throughout his post.

The last time I was at a strip club was a buddy's bachelor party. We had
a blast because we were celebrating and made it fun for the girls as
well. I believe they were all talking amongst themselves because
throughout the night we got alot of attention from all the girls.
Everyone enjoys a good time and wants to have fun, right? One of my
friends, who sat next to me at the club that night, made a comment this
week that he'll be sitting next to me again at our next upcoming
bachelor party. So following Mike's advice, make it fun for everyone. See
the dancers as people, too. Distinguish yourself from the AFC's that
they meet every day and you'll have it made.


I had a very interesting encounter during a scuba diving holiday off the
coast of Africa recently.
I met two men, one American, and the other English. They had a competition
running, to see if they could score with over 1 000 women in a three year
period. The deadline is 31 December 2001, and two years into the
competition, one had a score of 706, and the other 736.
I was on holiday with a friend (male), and this apparently presented a
challenge. From a woman's point of view, they were both very charming, and
obviously pupils of a seduction school. The only reason I figured this out
was, another friend of mine is quite into SS, and I have come to recognize
certain of the patterns. It was him who got me onto your list.
At first I wasn't sure whether they were in fact running the patterns - I
identified two - but when the English chap offered to brush my hair (I have
long dark hair) it all fell into place.  I have been on your list for a few
months now, and it is interesting that once I asked them about SS, their
attitudes changed.
I think it must have been a first for them, to be called, by a woman, on
what they were doing. I am intrigued to see if either of them are on your
list, and I would like an update on their score, and to say...sorry I
disappointed them!

My Comment:  Well, I don't know who you mean specifically, but if anyone
reading this recognizes themselves, please step forward.


> Halbster:
> Tristan was singing praises for neg hitting and giving the
> example
> Her: I'm a model
> You: Oh, a hand model or something.
> If he is hooking up with her I don't think it is because of that line.

Of course, no single line will get you there.
> Really hot woman know they're hot and you can't hide that fact with a line
> like that.

Now THAT is an uninformed statement. I know the guy who made that line up (I
posted it on ASF a while back). He's been with models ... including an
actual hand model (but she was hot, not just her hands BTW), that's where
he got the idea.

I've met models (I know a couple fashion photographers) and it's a well
known fact that they are very insecure. Lots of hot women are insecure.
And even if they're not ... welllll this line said with a genuine sounding
tone is going to put them in that state briefly.

The point of this whole 'neg' thing is to get her to think 'OMFG I'm so
hot and all those men are after me, and why NOT this one guy ? WTF is
going on am I fat or something?'

You get the point.


I pulled the ultimate coup this weekend.  I knocked the bottom off one of
our parents' friends in from New York - she is a hot 47 year old who appears
quite frequently on national television as a fine art consultant.  I usually
do not go after women this old but the opportunity was too tempting to pass

And last night I scored a 27 year old - she is a local weather girl.  Looks
very promising for this week.

I believe in using the "starter-set" techniques when achieving nookie
enlightenment.  Start off with women you know you can have sex with to prime
up your bullshit - this way you never get nervous and remain in complete
control.   This will allow you to move rapidly up the food chain.  It is
just like anything else in life - to get where you want to go - to achieve
the highest order of results - you need to have the experience and
confidence to make it happen.  It's like target practice - the more you
the better you get. You can not start off as the CEO when you begin your
career - you have to learn the lingo and understand what every move means -
then you can go after the bigger - tastier fish.


>Spanther:  "Nowadays more women are throwing themselves at men and it's
>very easy for a man to be with multiple women."

Now why would Speed Seduction» or even this very list ever have to exist if
that were actually true?  Such a statement is an insult to every man on this
list, in my opinion.  I really thought a barrage of displeasure was
forthcoming on this comment, but guys must have decided to cut her a lot of

I wonder how many men find that one of the biggest frustrations in seducing
women can be... not so much the disappointment they can experience or the
desired high-level success they can lack... but on top of all that having a
woman tell them just how easy it is for a man to be with women -- multiple

Spanther should be a little more careful in the future before throwing
around such offensive generalizations.  ...Or perhaps she can tell this list
where we can find all these women who are throwing themselves at men
nowadays.  A lot of us -- finally free to junk all this unneeded seduction
stuff -- would surely like to get in on that.


Kenny (Commenting on the competitiveness of women):
Women tend to be attracted to guys that they see other women are attracted
to. it puts the guy in high demand (so to speak) and yes, this is where
women tend to get competitive. In my opinion, if a guy can create the
illusion of being in high demand, he'll attract women.

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