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Deep inside that secret home
2/3/01 12:29:30 PM Eastern Standard Time


Here's a nice reply suggested by Paul:
Her (on the phone, hears your television):  What's that?  Are you watching
You: No, I only watch pornos in mixed company.


You will fucking love this..... I sent this to my ex before lunch and you
believe the response I got. She fell for this hook line and sinker. And no,
I didn't run into any old lady at Victoria's last nite but this is her image
of me so I can get away with this shit. Left Ross' Fascination poem on her
Vmail this morning and she is climbing the fucking walls. Wish you could
the email I just got from her. TA DA AAAAA!!!!!

Subject:  Check this out.........

I had sort of an interesting experience last nite I wanted to tell you
about. As
I was wandering through the mall I slipped in Victoria's Secret (OK, I had
you in mind ) and the sales lady asked if she could help. She was telling me
that the store appealed to women who want to please feel
pretty and sexy. She said "women need underwear, women want lingerie". Funny
I thought.  And as we were talking, I noticed a conservatively dressed older
lady who was slowly walking through the store with deliberate dignity. She
appraised the racks of sleek nighties and felt the fabrics from time to
time. She declined any assistance from the sales lady and left the store. As
I left, I noticed she was standing outside the store and staring at the
display in the window.

I wandered off and came back by about 30 minutes later. She was still
standing there. Dabbing her eyes with a handkerchief....weeping. I asked if
she was allright? "NO damnit, I'm not allright....I'm in love." And she
poured out her heart only as people can do to a total stranger. She was 72
years old, a widow with grown children, grandchildren, etc. On a whim, she
had gone to her 50th college reunion in St.Louis. And HE was there. The man
she had been in love with in her youth. Deeply in love but her family had
forbidden the marriage because he was an unconventional sort, the kind of
guy that was always flirting with the edge of society, she said. She was
sent a long way off to graduate school and she lost track of him. She heard
had been killed in the Korean War.  But here he was. He had prospered in
business, married, raised a family, was now widowed, and still very
handsome. Furthermore, he had come to the reunion to search for her and WHAM
(her words). The years fell away.

They talked, they drank too much punch, they laughed, danced, and they
kissed. They wound up in each others arms kissing "passionately". She said
it felt so right but it made her nervous.  The lady said she had not ever
these urges and feelings for anyone before. When he made a move for more
than a kiss she backed away.  Part of her said she was just too old for that
sort of thing.But another part of her said it was "underwear" that was
too old for that sort of thing!

She went home, they talked, they corresponded, and they decided life was too
short to waste and they should get together for this weekend. She invited
him to Mint Hill for the weekend and he was coming down Friday. So
here she was in SouthPark mall weeping outside Victoria's Secret. Feeling
neither sexy or pretty, but old and foolish.

I can't tell you how this will turn out but I can tell you the gentleman
St.Louis is in for a hell of a surprise.  She won't tell him some stranger
found her crying in the mall in front of VS and took her by the arm and
her inside. Or that the stranger told the saleslady that his aunt needed
something nice for a friend about her size who was in love but too
embarrassed to come in. The black boudoir set should speak for itself. I
when women need underwear but WANT lingerie there should be nothing to
prevent her from getting what she wants. The lady may not be as lively as
she once was, but for a brief moment last night she felt just as lovely as
she ever was. Why would we want to live so long unless such things are


Yo Cliff, we have discovered yet a new approach with strippers! I am now a
certified hypnotherapist specializing in sexual dysfunction!!! Is that
hilarious or what? I got the idea from this chick at the Dollhouse the other
night when out of the blue she says to me "GameMaster, I can't make myself
cum"......"Well, thank you for opening the door to me there, Shannon, so I
can lay a monstrous Mindfuck on your hot little ass. I now have two other
'clients' in town that are lined up for next week. This is hilarious. We may
have finally found the ultimate doorway in this department. But I think
strong rapport is necessary to pull it off. And I'm somewhat of the mystery
man at the D'House anyway. This chick is unbelievable, and at 20 years old
I'm gonna have to break one of my standing rules (got a daughter her age)
but what the fuck.
She used to love to piss my ex off by climbing up in my lap and smacking me
around with her tits! My ex hates her. Anyway, more to follow on this line.
Oh yeah, loved the "31" line....don't know where she got that but if that's
what they want to think!?!?!?

My Comment:  The "31" is explained somewhat below in the email between
GameMaster and Shannon.

(Email from Shannon starts this exchange):
Just to let you know-  the thought of me and you hanging out in town caused
a major disturbance with Scott.  I almost broke up with him.  I know it
doesn't sound like much- but I don't play.  When I decide I'm finished- I
don't play stupid games.  We got on the constantly recurring idea of my need
for adventure due to the "lack" of age that becomes me.  We all know that
"young people need to experience things and boy/girl friends should NEVER
restrict those experiences which cause an individual to mature, grow, and
learn".  However it becomes exceedingly difficult when you are dealing with
a 31 year old man that has fell deeeeeply in love with a snazzy little 20
year old who happens to be an upcoming playboy bunny who serves "jello by
way of injection".  The thought of her fucked up with any man is repulsive -
REGARDLESS of how the OKAY's are sugarcoated.  When it really comes down to
it- problems arise!!!   I'm trying to deal with this.  I don't want to let
go- however I need freedom and lots of fresh air.  So my GameMaster approach
failed- however I'm still diligently trying to explain our friendship!
And at the same time try and figure out why I'm so attracted to you but
don't get any ideas ; )

Anyway-  please send me that stuff!  You are so cool!  We will talk next

Keep Smiling  and Lots of Love
Jelly Belly Yager Queen

(Now GameMaster's reply:)

Subject: Re: kitty kitty
Whoa there, Sparkey, I'm confused. Coming to town was your idea, not mine.
As I recall, you invited yourself. You are so shy! : ) I did agree that we'd
have a ball though... This is your kind of town. Lots of Vampires down here
ya know? And there's still a few places I haven't been permanently banned
Now, to point no.2, I didn't know you had a boyfriend. I can understand why
he'd be so jealous....probably read about me somewhere! Anyway, that's
pretty much why I gave up on relationships so long ago...too limiting. But
it's nice to know that you've found somebody that gives you everything you
need and want in a relationship. Me, I personally need a little more freedom
too. That's why I was so fascinated with your chart.  We have a lot in
common, so an attraction is perfectly natural. But I sort of have a policy
about people I hang out with anyway. One thing I've discovered is that
friends are more important than a spontaneous sexual matter
how dynamite
it might be. And like you, I've sort of got a talent for that kind of thing
so it's always here when you really want it, but I'm going through a
spiritual/metaphysical phase right now so it's easy to say no, ya know?

Now, on to how this all got started and I quote from the hottest little
shooter girl this side of Moscow....."I can't make myself cum!" You dooooo
remember saying that to me dontcha? You crack me up. Anyway, that led to a
conversation about how you can not only fix that, but amp it up to the point
where your orgasms are 10 times, 20 times more powerful than you've ever
experienced whether you are alone or with this man of your dreams. That's
what I was talking about and speaking strictly from a clinical standpoint I
have helped a lot of women achieve their full potential and then some in
that department. I have learned some amazing secrets about what women
respond too in my research. And the fascination I have for Tantric sex, sex
magick, female physiology, and some breathing techniques I've discovered
that'll send you into orbit faster than 10 hits of windowpane sort of give
me a little different perspective on all this. For example, did you know
that there were three ways to stimulate the G-spot and they can ALL be done
simultaneously during oral sex? You won't read that anywhere, I had to
figure it out all by myself but the net result is astonishing. Some of these
women, who will remain nameless 'cause they have a natural dislike for
shooter girls ona counta them flirting so openly with their man, have had as
many as 80+ orgasms in a night. I'm not kidding. And when that is happening,
now with me it's like it begins to spill over into your daily life and all
sorts of wonderful and exciting things begin to happen. Oh yeah, and all
that stuff you've read about the female ejaculation being a myth is
bullshit- I have the proof. It's called "Amrita" and it is a beautiful thing
to behold.

And yes, almost all of these women are totally in love with me as a result
that's not helping me get my book finished. I think I'd probably have to
devote 2 or 3 chapters to you but then again maybe you're not ready for all
this? But, if you're just a little curious we can talk. The most amazing
thing about the whole process is that it only takes about 30 minutes and
it's a one time permanent magic bullet».
And I'm not talking about sex, it's mental conditioning. Sort of like
creating a special place apart from yourself, but at the same time it comes
deep inside you to the point where it becomes the most natural thing in your
life.  A little like designing your own sex life but it keeps building and
building and you are in total control of where you want it to go and who you
want to share it with. Someone who's important in yourself. With me, that's
the most important thing there is in life. The freedom to recognize and go
for it when you find something you really want and need in your life. But, I
guess you can just wait and buy the book there KookeyBird.  Hell, I'll even
autograph it for ya but that'd prolly make your boyfriend jealous too so I
guess we should just forget about it!

Looks like I went a little overboard with the info here but it's not out of
line with the way we communicate....I think ; ) I'll drop your package in
the mail to you this weekend.

Oh yeah, one more thing me a favor and don't tell anybody
about this OK. Words out in town and I think I may have to move or at least
hire a security detail or put an electric fence around my house or some shit
like that so let's keep this just you and me-K?

Libidinously yours,


(Back to GameMaster to me):
Dude, that shooter girl at the Dollhouse, 20, extraordinarily hot, and
untouchable unless you're 20 and extraordinarily hot.....well, I had one of
those nights when Shannon just came up and started talking...about her sex
life. After hearing about how much she liked to give head, and  she out of
the blue states " I can't make myself cum". Really, well honey, I think we
can fix that'. Cliff, my mind was racing 'cause I knew she had just given me
the key so here we go. Let me know what you think. I'm gonna test drive this
one at Cheetah's in Atlanta tonite.

"Do you have one of those drawers in your kitchen...remember like your
parents had when you were a kid. It was one of those places that you threw
stuff in, but at the same time, you always knew where things were when you
really need this. Anyway, I was thinking...have you ever been looking for
something, and you found a key....and you took this out, and admired it, and
you put it in.....every lock in the house and you couldn't make it fit?
Well, what if....what if  that key were put there to unlock..... your
imagination. Are you with me?  Good, I'm glad you're listening so carefully
because this is very important. Did you know that every seven years we renew
every cell and atom in our bodies, but not your mind. You see, at birth your
subconscious is empty, like a new unprogrammed computer. Can you remember as
an adult, when you look back at a time when you were totally dependent on
your parents, and your earliest programming consisted merely of gaining
their attention? And soon you learned that you got more attention by
pleasing them. And soon, pleasing this person became your most urgent
desire. And how this person likes to be pleased is the programming that is
becoming totally imprinted in your subconscious.  And just like a computer,
your mind can't operate with two conflicting programs.  One that holds you
back, even though what you really want is right in front of you....and one
that compels you to just let go as you reach out and take the world by the
hand (take her hand in yours), as you begin to realize that that which can
bring you the most happiness, is finally,  clearly in plain view.

And what if you were to take that key within yourself....deep inside into a
wondrous and secret place that only you know about, and where all your
dreams and fantasies come alive? And you know what would be cool?  You can
even choose a gatekeeper....well it's like....if you could imagine, say me
for example, deep inside that secret home, and you handed me the key for
safekeeping...and you knew that anytime you wanted to really experience
life, all you have to do is say...." GameMaster, unlock the door, and make
me come... out."  Isn't that neat?  I mean I think it's so interesting....."

Hey, I think we're getting pretty good at this stuff : )

My Comment:  GameMaster, you kill me.


Descartes:  Last weekend I seduced I gorgeous and very intelligent college
freshman in one night. That is to say, an acquaintance of mine and classmate
of hers called her at 10:30 pm on a Saturday night to say that I was
visiting him and the two of us were going to go to the nearby town for the
evening and I asked her if she wanted to join. She said she couldn't because
she had
midterm exams soon and homework due even sooner and she was hard at work on
it. I took the receiver from the guy and started talking to her ... and lo
and behold, 5 h and 37 min later, after a very pleasant trip to the said
town and back, she was naked in my hotel room. We both had a great time,
not to mention the experience was VERY educational for me.

I now appreciate the importance of the 3 sec rule (start "hitting" on her
w/in the first 3 sec of meeting her) and think it's absolutely necessary
for a successful one-night pick up.  I think it also helps A LOT to be
introduced by a common acquaintance (not even a friend -- I'm very outgoing,
but I hardly knew the guy and he did not know her very well).  There was
also some chemistry which, unfortunately, I can't claim credit for.

I would conjecture that  "touch / kiss / make love  permissions for the
next 24 hours are assigned to you by a woman w/in the first 20-30 sec of
meeting her." I would be curious to learn what thoughts other people on
list have about this.


Ronald: Tuesdays with Morrey is a good book about life.


Halbster (Commenting on Nathan's comments which were):
> Now THAT is an uninformed statement. I know the guy who made that line up
>  posted it on ASF a while back). He's been with models ... including an
>  actual hand model (but she was hot, not just her hands BTW), that's where
>  he got the idea.
>  I've met models (I know a couple fashion photographers) and it's a well
>  known fact that they are very insecure. Lots of hot women are insecure.
>  And even if they're not ... welllll this line said with a genuine
>  tone is going to put them in that state briefly.
>  The point of this whole 'neg' thing is to get her to think 'OMFG I'm so
>  hot and all those men are after me, and why NOT this one guy ? WTF is
>  going on am I fat or something?'
>  You get the point.

Yes, many models are insecure.  However, usually their insecurity doesn't
relate to whether they look good to men.  These women are used to men
hitting on them.  They know that men find them goodlooking.  They can
probably even tell if you're turned on.  My statement creates a challenge
for them because you're telling them that looks alone will not be enough.
Being with models doesn't prove that the line works.  It might mean that he
was successful despite this line.  And, my approach has also been
successfully field tested.   As for making a women feel insecure that is not
my goal.  I have no desire to bully woman.  I'd much rather empower them,
and I find that when you can maintain your power while empowering others it
can be very seductive.


Is anyone familiar with Doc Love? This man from California who, although he
is working inside the dating-frame, seems to have down certain attitudes and
perceptions, that sound a lot like watered down Speed Seduction». For
example. "Only a woman's actions truly reflect her feelings toward you." He
discusses how to screen her and writes "a man should only love a woman who
loves him first and a lot".

You can find his product at
or read his articles at

Can anyone give more information about these materials?


> Ohw:
> Does anyone have any recommendations for books that would exhibit a
> good PUA outlook (or a just plain good outlook on life)? On just how
> to view life/get the right attitude in general/maybe even self esteem
> style stuff?

Apart from books on Male Psyche, such as Napoleon Hill's Think and
Grow Rich, there's also Emile Coue. He has published his method of
autosuggestion long before Hill had. His most famous suggestion is "Every
day, in every way, I'm getting better and better." You can read more about
his method at

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