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Seminar update:  I have had a couple of inquiries of guys who are looking
for accommodations while they visit Montreal for either the Major Mark
Seminar or the SS Seminar (see schedule below).  Anyone reading this in
Montreal who would be open to putting some bros up, please let me know.

Ross Jeffries:
Speed Seduction» Seminars, 2001
Chicago April 27, 28, 29
London, England June 15, 16th 17th
NYC July 27th, 28th, 29th
Montreal, Canada August (Exact Date to be announced)

Magick/psychic Influence Seminars, 2001
LA, Feb 23, 24th, 25th
Orlando, May 25, 26th 27th

Major Mark's Seminar Schedule for 2001 is the following:
Feb 09-11  Stage Hypnosis in Las Vegas
Mar 16-18  Special Topics:  Adventures In ThoughtCrime -- Designing and
Imprinting Your OWN Belief System, In Taos
May 9-13   Awakening Unafraid in Montreal
Jul 06-08  Stage Hypnosis in Wash. D.C.
Sep 14-16  Advanced Hypnosis: Deep Trance, Mentalism and Beyond in Boulder
Oct 12-14  Advanced Stage:  Non-verbal Hypnosis in L.A.

For additional information on Ross's seminars, contact Dr. Yates Canipe at
yat***j@ix***.com[ ? ] or visit the website at  For Major
Mark, visit


Cold calling a complete and total stranger:  "Hi, Melissa, my name is (fill
in) and you don't know me and I don't know anyone who knows you, I got your
phone number by calling 411 and the reason I am calling you is because I was
at a party recently and some people were talking about you and, among other
things they said, they described you as being a quality person, very
intelligent and attractive, and, frankly, their words were so compelling
that I decided to step out of the box and give myself permission to take
this action and call you to find out for myself about you.  I hope you are
open-minded and forwarded thinking enough to put aside your concerns for the
moment and take a chance
that could be memorable."  Field tested once (so far), batting 1000.


The latest issue of Vanity Fair has an article about (paraphrased) "Seven
Girlfriends, One Bed, and a Bowl of Viagra -- 24 Hours in the life of Hugh
Hefner."  Those who know me know the he is my role model and I have
aspirations to recreate his accomplishments one day (his 4 former
girlfriends, Mandy, Brande, Jessica and I forget the name of the last one
left in August, 2000, after being with him for about two years, and he now
has 7 new ones ranging in age from 19 to 28 as he approaches his 75th


>I have some horror stories. I only send you the good stuff : ))
>I have good days and bad. Last night was the reverse of the night before
>so on and so forth. I've been on streaks when I could do no wrong and I've
>experienced weeks at a time when things just didn't click.

Try doing some Banishing rituals and recharging. NEVER Sarge in a
bad state, because then you are relying on THEM to make YOU feel
good, and then who has the power?

I have a monitor state in my mind that watches to see how I am
feeling. If I am tired, hungry, tense, sick, rushed, I STOP...restore
my state. If I can't, then I do NOT Sarge, because then mistakes
happen. BAD THING!
> I went back to Fairview still radiant from an almost perfect
>night before. Couldn't seem to get it together.

Well, it might have also been that you were expecting to "top
yourself" so you went in with an "achievement/task" frame instead of,
"This is my party..let's have FUN...and I don't care what happens"
>It's important I think for a lot of the new guys to
>understand that even an experienced PUA is gonna have days when the pieces
>just don't seem to come together.

Sometimes, a string of things don't go our way, but it's important
to keep perspective and the right frame. And if you can't get there,
DON'T Sarge! Stay home! Curl up with your cat! Read a good
ANYTHING but sarge.

My Comment:  While I know you don't like going to clubs, I was reminded of
the time I was in L.A. after your last seminar in Palo Alto and I went out
with Rick to an after hours party in a club.  He was very much into getting
a feeling of the energy of the place before approaching any women.  At first
the feeling in there was off, but later on in the evening the energy seemed
to change and we ended having a great time.  Not to say this happens all the
time, but moods do change.
>Point is, guess where I met her? Right, right... and guess what? She
>contacted ME FIRST!!! Oh, you gotta love that.

Well, from a marketing perspective, if the prospect contacts YOU
first, in a sense they've pre-qualified themselves as being
interested, so the game is already 50% over.
>My last girlfriend (who was bisexual) was an internet gal... she had a
>personal ad up that I responded to. (She looked a lot like Denise Richards,
>only she liked to have sex with women...)

The problem with AOL, that I at least have, is that women want a pic.
They love my profile, like my chat, but as soon as I send the ugly
mug, the game is USUALLY over.

Whereas, in person, I can use my voice, confidence, energy,
attitude, charisma, and most importantly, my TOUCH to blow my ugly
face out of the picture.
>Oh yes, my brethren... verily I say unto thee, the internet is a place
>where the playing field begins to level... where you, too can perform
>By the way, to all of the guys that are taking the time to write out
>complete stories, methods, etc... my applause and gratitude... this is
>truly some great stuff. Thank you.
>You got to
>get them out of that club 'cause they are safe there

You also got to "get them out of the club" because they view the club
as THEATRE. What goes on in those walls ain't real, expect the green
stuff. THAT is real.
>Bro Warrior:
>Other awesome books, which are less directly related to seduction, but none
>the less, really useful in understanding the
>World/psychology/people/reality, also by RAW which I'd strongly recommend
>- Prometheus Rising
>- Cosmic Trigger I, II & III

Prometheus Rising is one of my all time favorites and has an honored
place on my bookshelf. I've been recommending it for years and will
continue to do so.
>Alpha, I totally feel for you dude. I just moved here from Austin, Texas,
>and the women there are pretty much what-you-see-is-what-you-get. So far
>I've had experiences with some crazy-ass bitches and some more worthy
>and I agree, many people here are all about using, abusing and playing
>destructive mindgames. One time I actually told one of them that for all I
>knew I couldn't trust her (we were discussing someone else too), and she
>responded, 'Yeah, but I'm the one who told you to be careful out here,
>because this isn't Texas.' The next day I caught in a bold-face lie to me
>(although I didn't bother telling her I knew), and I just laughed my ass
>off. Fortunately my intuition about her from the beginning alerted me to
>her lack of trustworthiness.

I've lived in LA LA land my whole life. My advice:
Stay AWAY from aspiring actresses, models, singers, etc. UNLESS all
you want is a quick fuck/short term "relationship," etc. For the MOST
part they are self-absorbed, flaky, depressed, nutso, etc. etc. etc.

A nice college coed with a hot, natural body or a working gal with a
real job will do nicely. If you want to chase beauty, you deserve
what you get if THAT is ALL you are sorting for.

Yesterday, I got invited to an Elite model party. I spent the time
instead with a very attractive, naturally beautiful lady in her 30's
who I quite enjoyed. I told the person inviting me that I'd rather be
caught dead than in a room filled with these self-absorbed, eating
disordered, self-destructive, drug-addicted, "who is coolest now"
monstrosities. They are dolls to masturbate in, at best. YUCCH!
>But you know what, if ANY of what she's told me about her past experiences
>is true, then she probably feels justified in taking it out against a
>helpless bumpkin from Texas. So I let her go on about her way, and I've
>gone on about mine, but I can sort of understand how ANYONE out here, man,
>woman or whatever, might get jaded, bitter or a bit paranoid about the
>seduction scene. Maybe someone else will have some good insights to share
>with us, but in the meantime, my plan is to sharpen my intuition,
>calibration and criteria for trust, mental stability, lack of diseases etc,
>and wear some big fat condoms.

And RUN from drama queens and those who view pain as something GLUED to
their personal destiny instead of an episode they encounter now
and again.


Hey Cliff, I think I mentioned to you that my GF wanted a life-size replica
of me for Valentine's. Got a package in the mail last week from this company
and have just completed the task. Got to tell you I think she's gonna love
it. The deluxe version even comes with a handle! Too much : ) The actual
process only takes a few minutes but it can be a little messy.

There's also another company that does specialty work like installing a
remote control vibrator and stuff like that. and a
trip to their site is good for a few laughs if nothing else...absolutely
fucking hilarious!


> GameMaster:
> I have some horror stories. I only send you the good stuff : ))
> I have good days and bad. Last night was the reverse of the night before
> so on and so forth. I've been on streaks when I could do no wrong and I've
> experienced weeks at a time when things just didn't click....
> It's important I think for a lot of the new guys to
> understand that even an experienced PUA is gonna have days when the pieces
> just don't seem to come together.

An important point to remember: even the legendary Casanova got shot down
and outwitted many, many times. I'm in the process of reading his long and
amazing memoirs. He not only writes about the babes he scored with, but
about the games that women played with him, their tricks and deceits, and
about  the ones who led him on and then blew him away.

Nonetheless, Casanova remains the best-known "Pick Up Artist" of all time.
Despite the failures to which he readily admits, his successes were


One of the best tactics for meeting dancers if you have the time and the
money is to find out what local gyms the women work out at. Sometimes a gym
will comp them to lure the guys.

Other great places to meet woman in general that I don't think people have
a) conventions. Get a schedule. For example I've got the schedule from the
Jacob Javits Center in NYC. I'm going to the upcoming toy convention with my
girlfriend. I'm also going to the ECA convention in NY City. This is a
fitness convention and sure to be packed with lots of HB's. Good investment,
and a major interest of mine.
b) Shoe stores. A superstore called DSW Shoe warehouse just opened near my
home. It is the size of a supermarket. About 20 isles for women and 2 or 3
for men. I went during lunch and the ratio must have been 10 to 1 with lots
of HB's.
c) Spas -- get a facial and massage.

(Halbster commenting on:) GameMaster: Halbster has certainly done his
homework on strippers. Couldn't have said it better myself. The only thing
he left out.....get to know your bartenders ands tip them well. >>

Although this is good advice, at most clubs this is not really part of my
approach. Perhaps this is because I don't drink alcohol.

Gamemaster wrote:
(I tip $5...anything less and you are cheap motherfucker. Employees at the
club can get away with a buck. My opinion is, you can't. It's the cost of a
beer and you have just singled yourself out from the rest of the herd. But
never tip them more than once on any given night unless she just got done
blowing you in the parking lot.
And this probably goes without saying on this list, but the number one thing
you have to remember if you're gonna work the strip clubs is "be cool".):

I've never tipped $5.00. You're too rich for my league. Also, I don't know
what being cool means. I appear as someone "real". I think they like that I
am real and don't give a hoot about impressing them, while I expect them to
like me and have fun with me. In fact, if anything I probably appear to be a
bit of a geek. In fact, I've got a long running joke with one gal about the
two of us having a great relationship because we are both geeks who look
good, and we can enjoy each others' geekiness. My personal identity is that
tend to think of myself as a geek and nerd. I am more comfortable discussing
something deep or reading a deep book than I am at a bar or a concert. I
just happen to be a fit, athletic geek who women love : )  I am also a geek
with lots of confidence/google. I think woman find this refreshing,
charming, and enchanting (especially when combined with hypnosis:)


This gives you a MAJOR advantage over the real world, because you can get
into a super hot woman's head and heart before you have to deal with the
whole 'looks' issue.

The problem I think I have online is this: my game is BETTER in real life
than online.  I convey a much STRONGER personality in real life now thanks
to all the club experience I've gotten.  I can do in 3 minutes what would
take DAYS to achieve online.  I can FIND an equally HOT BABE in less time in
real life (with ACCURACY - no chance of getting a FAKE).  I can ENGAGE them
in chat with LESS chance of failure (like when you respond to ads, you have
to get PICKED from 100's of men's replies.)  It's just FASTER in real life
... more accurate and yada yada.  Don't get me wrong, I've laid girls off
the net and I still enjoy spending time on the online hunt for fun ... but
seriously, it's not really part of the PUA, IMHO ... just bonus rounds.  A
sideline hobby : D

Mystery comments on: (Not so. I had two strippers living with me for a year
and they always told me that a "hit and run" approach works best for
them...builds intrigue. If you are there hanging out from 8-closing you are
a customer. If you come in and hang out for a short while, get in your shots
and get the fuck out of there you will be amazed at the response you get on
your subsequent return visits if you have implanted the fact that you are

Two girls you lived with told you this.  My cumulative profiling of the 8
girls I've had sex with, several being LTR's (one was 2 years, and my
LTR is past 1.5 years now) ... I still disagree on this.  Girls of beauty
KNOW what they want once that man comes along.  OFTEN, they will SCARE off
the guy they are interested in because they are TOO FORWARD.  It comes from
KNOWING they could have ANYONE and then when FINALLY this RARE occasion of a
great man comes along, they just go full force and say I WANT YOU and hit
too hard.  You want to be BIGGER THAN LIFE, get good SOCIAL PROOF in there
and then force your own time constraints to raise the value of your time.
Coming back over and over ... dude ... it's just not REASONABLE.  I will
audio tape stripper interviews soon because I am very interested in learning
even MORE about them.  However - I also have to be aware that what they SAY
and what WORKS ON THEM are often times different.

Mystery Comments on: ("One more thing, it's OK to tip these girls onstage.
You may have to do that to get their attention anyway."):
I suppose this debate comes down only to our experience.  In MY experience,
this advice is shit.  TO give ANY money is to turn on her BLING BLING
circuitry.  DON'T DO IT, MAN! : )

Mystery Comments on: ("I'm very selective with my targets and I tip
$5...anything less and you are cheap motherfucker."):

Horrid.  How many strippers have you closed, bro?

My Comment:  Hmm?  This comment is from GameMaster, who's probably done more
strippers than anyone I know.

Mystery Comments on: ("Employees at the club can get away with
a buck. My opinion is, you can't. It's the cost of a beer and you have
just singled yourself out from the rest of the herd. But never tip them more
than once on any given night unless she just got done blowing you in the
parking lot."):

How many blows have you gotten?  Seriously, this advice is idealistic.  It's
like you are just IMAGINING what works ... dude man, giving money is NOT
good.  It means NOTHING.  I would enjoy meeting you (I'm in Toronto, may
visit NY soon and LA soon) and working with you to collect stripper info
(and enjoying the spoils of our efforts, too, of course).  I would enjoy
watching your method and then you watching mine over a period of a few days
and seeing who gets more RESULTS.  The ONLY $ I would dish out (IF I HAD TO)
is the cover and the MANDATORY DRINK (though I don't drink alcohol ...
especially while PUing).  No tipping the bartender.  No tipping the dancers.
No buying drinks for girls.  If you are doing your JOB they won't even
NOTICE you haven't pulled your wallet out.  Seriously.  The only thing you
need to pull out are your photos for the photo routine (not the digicam
routine as cameras are never allowed).

Mystery Comments on: ("And this probably goes without saying on this list,
but the number one thingyou have to remember if you're gonna work the strip
clubs is "be cool".):

Fair enough ... AND ... work FAST.  Don't go in and just SIT for 20 minutes.
Start interacting immediately.  And NO sexual jokes - it's ALL been done in

Mystery Comments on: ("If you don't know what that means then stay the fuck
out of these clubs. You're wasting your time and these girls will get deep
in your pockets.  These chicks live and thrive in a world of cool where
anything goes,and they base their associations on an instant judgment of
whether you meet the criteria.  You pay too much attention to them and
you're not cool. You spend money on them and you are not cool. You walk
around with your tongue dragging the floor and you are not cool. Dress the
part, act the part, and be aloof. And be patient, they will come around. And
unless you are an extremely hot guy that women flock too, don't try and set
any expectations when you go there.  Just go in and have fun and enjoy
yourself. Don't expect you're gonna pull one of these babes out of there
cause it's tough to do. They don't do lunch and they've been invited to do
everything from yachting to  skydiving and trips to the islands so you
better come with some fuckin' game.You got to get them out of that club
'cause they are safe there. I've found one of the best angles if you're up
to it is to get them to meet you for breakfast when they get off. Where I
live it's like a ritual. All these strippers go out 2-3 nights a week to
grab a bite and that's a great place to sink your hook."):

See, and I think the best time to sink the hook is the next day when they
wake up at 1 pm.  They are naturally drugged, haa.  And will complain how
they are all puffy and ugly.  You tell then they will join you while you
get some chores done together.

Her: "You must get a lot of women."

Yep, I got that yet again last night at a club.  Asian cutie.  I simply
downplayed it ... minimized it but there was a little damage from it ... I
don't have a PERFECT SHUTDOWN for this conversational obstacle.  I know that
I fucked up somewhere (didn't plug SHYNESS into my set, etc) and this is an
error on my part if I even GET this reaction.  I mean POOR ME ... she thinks
ANY GIRL would want me ... but it's still damage and I need damage control.
Anyone with some solutions, gentlemen?

My Comment:  My response to this is to react with my body language» as if to
say 'Well, of course' but what I actually say is "Well, there are always
women around."  Never deny it, this is a trap.  Women are very competitive
and the fact that other women like you is appealing to them -- but you have
to be man enough to not make any apologies for this.  They are looking for
strength, someone they can look up to.  Other women liking you means you are
worthy of their respect also.  I keep thinking back to Hugh Hefner and I
have this underlying (but growing) concept that all their protestations
seeking monogamy and exclusivity are coming from a very different place than
we as men think, and that given the right frame this is not really that
important to them.  What I think is more important is that they get treated
with honesty, trust and respect by someone who doesn't make apologies for
his desires as a man.  Once they are secure that you do care for them within
the framework you set up, and you treat them well and give them those great
feelings they are looking for, I think anything is possible.


> Ishtar Rising - Book of the Breast - gives amazing coverage of sex through
> the ages, the effects of different religious views on sex,

A great read, truly. About Sungods and Moon-Goddesses and their meaning for
societies. My fat and cheerful 11th grade English teacher still got that
book from me.
> Sex, Drugs and Magick - charts the different wild experiences possible
> through combinations of narcotics and magical rituals - a totally
> fascinating book - and his use of language is supreme.

I didn't like that one; the use of magick is scarce (I know that as Sex And
Drugs) and the quintessence is you can fuck on pot and love on LSD but
better not use anything else. I don't recall any spices being spoken about
in depth.
> - Prometheus Rising

Very highly recommended! The neuronal circuitry explained by an
8-stage-model. You can discuss the letter 2 of  'em but the first 6 are
convincing. No, it's the first 7. A little remaining of the insightful
Influence - The Psychology Of Persuasion by erm... but different though.
> - Cosmic Trigger I, II & III

Either skip I or don't read II and III. Frankly, it's lunatic.
Another mind-boggling book especially for those with a church background is
The New Inquisition and the 80-page Natural Law Or: Don't Put A Rubber On
Your Willy will delight those governed by a Bush.
Has anybody seen Playboy's Book Of Breast at the global player's sites?

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