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She broke their 24-hour record
3/3/01 12:22:56 PM Eastern Standard Time


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This is fucking hilarious....and SO true! No. 45 by God!
* Rules To Be A Man  (Part I)
 1. Don't call, ever.
 2. If you don't like a girl, don't tell her. It's more fun to let her
figure it out by herself.
 3. Lie.
 4. Name your penis. Be sure it is something narcissistic and unoriginal,
such as "Spike".
 5. If you lose something that belongs to someone else, tell them you mailed
it to them.
 6. Here's a good pickup line, "My girlfriend's pregnant, will you go
out with me?
 7. Drink Vernors. (What ever that is)
 8. Play with yourself. Talk about it.
 9. Be as ambiguous as possible. If you don't want to answer, a nice grunt
will do.
 10. Always remember: You are a man. Therefore, no matter what, it isn't
your fault.
11. Lie.
 12. Girls find it attractive if a man has had more women than baths.
 13. Never ask for help. Even if you really, really need help -
don't ask. People will think you have no penis.
 14. Women like it when you ignore them. It arouses them.
 15. Vanity is the most important trait for a man to have. Whenever you pass
a reflective surface, check your hair, clothing, etc.
16. If you don't like a girl, but can't think of a good enough reason why,
just come up with trite, meaningless explanations like, "I don't know. I
just don't like her personality."
 17. If, GOD FORBID, you have to talk to a girl on the phone, use only
monosyllabic words and noises. Bodily noises are permissible.
 18. TWO WORDS: Hack and spit.
 19. Everyone finds a man more attractive if he can write his name in urine.
 20. One sure way to make a girl like you is to go after her best friend.
 She will then see what she's missing and love you for not giving up on her.
 21. Tell her you will call. Then, refer back to rule #1.
 22. Say things like "Wha...?"
 23. Don't wear matching clothes. People will think your girlfriend picked
it out, and it will cramp your style on picking up chicks.
 24. Lie.
 25. Deny everything. Everything.
 26. Good break up line, "It's not you, it's me."
 27. If you like a girl, tell all your female friends about her. Because if
any of your female friends like you, they'll really want to know.
 28. Don't have a clue.
 29. If you get a clue, pretend you didn't and disregard it.
 30. No means yes.
 31. Yes means no.
 32. If you don't get sex whenever you want, your balls will shrivel.
 Enforce this rule at all times.
 33. If anyone asks, you have had sex in all possible positions and
locations. Improvise.
 34. Much like an orgasm signifies the end of a sexual peak, sex often
signifies the end of a relationship.
 35. Feelings? What feelings?
 36. Tell this to your girl before you have sex, "Don't worry. If you don't
an orgasm, you won't get pregnant.".
 37. Life is one big competition. If someone is better than you at anything,
either pretend it's not true or kick some ass.
 38. Gays are an unacceptable part of our society.  Take it upon yourself to
personally eradicate all of them from the planet.
 39. DO NOT make decisions about relationships. If you are backed into a
corner and must make a decision, stall. If you still must come up with
 an answer, leave yourself a loophole for escape. Example: Question: "Honey,
will you take me out for a romantic dinner?" Answer: "Yes, if you can guess
how many sperm I produce each day.".
 40. Every sentence that anyone says can be contorted to have sexual
meaning. Do so.
 41. At any given opportunity, point out how things look like various
genitalia. If, by chance, you have Play-Doh, make sure you make an exact
replica of your penis. Measure to make sure it's right.
 42. Lie.
 43. "Love" is not in your vocabulary. Don't even think about saying it.
44. A general rule: If whatever you're doing does not satisfy you completely
in 5 minutes, it's really not worth it.
45. Diss your girl friend. Beg and plead until you get her back. Diss her
again. Repeat cycle.
 46. Lie.
 47. ALWAYS apologize. NEVER mean it.
 48. If you hurt someone, pretend you care. Don't.
 49. Try to have a good memory, but it's OK if you forget trivial things.
know, like your girlfriend's birthday and eye color.
 50. Ignorance solves problems. If you can't see them, they can't see you.

My Comment:  As a general rule, I don't run jokes and lists like this here,
but this seemed just so appropo....

(GameMaster on getting together recently with an old girlfriend):  I was too
wild before even though she was giving me all the signals but I dropped the
ball. When we met today I started flirting with the seating hostess like
crazy.  She was about 20? Susan just shook her head and said "You are such a
BAD boy." I took her arm and said "Yeah, but you still love me". She agreed
"God help me, but I do love you, I sure do". Susan, I'm glad to hear that,
isn't it nice to know that you don't even know how much....yet".
Her: "God you are bad."
We never had the sex thing at all and she's such a money whore I gave up.
My favorite Susan story is about one night she had invited me to go downtown
dancing with her....well, she had dates with EIGHT guys that nite. EIGHT
fucking guys! And she thought that was perfectly normal. That's basically
when I bailed but she has slowed down a step.


I think the gang could benefit from discussing their views on women, perhaps
at your request.  I live in Argentina, where people are pretty obsessed
with sex. The fact that I find the comments about women on your list harsh
is a bad sign.

My Comment:  Theo and Divine (Daddy's Little Hypno Slut) recently
unsubscribed because they feel that the comments here have been slanted too
much in a negative way against women, from guys who are only after sex.  My
first reaction was, "...and your point is...?"  But, seriously, I understand
that there is a lot of anger and resentment among guys who are frustrated
that they haven't been able to be successful with women (or who have had bad
experiences) and I think this inevitably will show up in what they write
here.  It has been said to me on more than one occasion that it seems that
most of the time when some guy gets very successful with women it was
spurred on by a degree of rage from some deeply hurtful experience.  I think
that to pretend that these feelings aren't there is misleading, but it is
more important and productive to get past that and change unhealthy
attitudes to more positive ones.  Comments?


On the SS front, things are moving along.  I'm using the net still as a
springboard/stepping stone into the real world while I get my shit back
together here in TO.  I think it's a great way to practice, and I've found
that eloquence, even without embedded commands, is very, very powerful.  I
had one chick on the east coast ready to dump her husband, all she wanted
to do was fuck my brains out - all from online chat and phone calls.  But
that's over with...  One I'm working one now (9+) was on WebPersonals -
she had to kill her account because she got so many responses (459) in one
day that she just couldn't handle them all... she got an email thanking
her and telling her she broke their 24-hour record for most responses....
and guess which of those 459 she's thinking about today? :-)

I think what I've learned is that writing very descriptively, eloquently,
FORCES the HB (provided she's intelligent) to read slower and think about
what she is reading, to absorb it simply by trying to understand.
Simply-worded text is easy to read and forget.  But if one were to express
oneself in a manner that evokes imagery and a resolution of metaphor, then
it can be likened to using a sledgehammer to pound a spike into a log,
instead of endless taps with a lead pipe...

My Comment:Add in some ambiguity and complicated wording that truly doesn't
mean anything (a la GameMaster) and I think you got them where you want

MindAuger Continues:
Ya know, this never occurred to me and my first reaction to the idea was
to wonder why an HB wouldn't just sit there with a blank look on her face
upon hearing something that truly doesn't mean anything.  Then, to my
amazement, I realized I had a perfect example of exactly this saved in a
chat transcript.

Out of the blue, I typed in a phrase I discovered long ago, which was
actually composed by me alternated with a friend writing a word.  We'd do
this for kicks to make nonsensical but grammatically correct stories
online, thus unknowingly improving our English.

HB: I like your personality
Me: This heart of indignation leaves furry roses under my lifeboat.
HB: Stop talking about your lifeboat - you're turning me on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Needless to say, I was COMPLETELY surprised at her response to my
nonsense, but what can I say, it's living proof that complicated ambiguity
works - it just blows me away!  I just slipped it into a perfectly normal,
understandable conversation.  Ambiguity and redundancy... even earlier in
high school we would, usually on camping trips, try to stretch out the most
simplest sentence into a rambling discourse that was again, grammatically
correct.  So "We need the other paddle" would become something like "It
would become quite apparent that at this juncture, we have a need for the
additional flattened piece of wood whose function is to propel our water
vessel across the shimmering lake we traversed earlier in the day."   Yeah
no kidding!

My Comment: My intuition is that we are on to something here with
complicated, flowery words which have little or no meaning -- it appears
women are excited by men who seem to be a little beyond their reach
intellectually.  We need to explore this further.

MindAuger: Indeed, this particular HB has told me often that she really
loves the way I write, she says that (like many girls) she likes a man that
knows how to express himself.  Though the big question is, how much of it
should have
little or no meaning?  The nonsensical stuff would seem to activate a
different "fascination mechanism" in their brain than the words that are
understood and go right to her core (a big benefit of the net chat is it
strips off anything superficial, giving your almost direct access to the
PERSON and she knows you're talking to her mind, not her face, body, or
some other rather irrelevant element of her)

As for HB's being excited about those a little beyond their reach, I'd
have to agree:
HB: You are so funny - you crack me up
HB: I can't believe you haven't found somebody yet
HB: Maybe you just have way too much going for you
Me: How would that prevent me from finding someone?
Me: Didn't prevent me from finding you now, did it?
HB: Nope
An interesting point is that I believe I have used very little "classic"
SS here.  I've thrown in some embedded commands here and there, but
virtually no directing of her imagination through description, no
patterns.  There's certainly a moderate dose of sexual innuendo being
exchanged, but you're right - there's something about what I'm doing that
is effective as hell and I don't see it being part of the standard suite
of SS techniques.  I used similar techniques on a chick out on the east
coast, and next thing I knew she was ready to leave her husband (so I
ended it there - too much baggage).

I haven't deliberately made my pursuit a challenge for her through the
usual techniques of mixed signals, being overly cocky, or basically being
indifferent or 'hard to get'.  I did pull the "Well, if that's the way you
feel I'd better just go and you can hook up with one of the other 458 guys
that responded to you" and of course she did a 180 on the spot :-).  But
basically the  challenge that makes it interesting for her is not that
she thinks I can take it or leave it as much as her realizing that she has
found what she's been searching for in vain - which I became as I learned
through careful questioning and listening.  Lucky for me, I didn't really
have to change who I am or how I communicate to be that person.  So the
fascination factor is very high.  By being that guy (funny and just a bit
cocky - thank you, Sisonpyh!), and not supplicating, it seems to be working
like magic.  Hell, I even told her that while it wasn't a general rule of
mine, I've never slept with a girl I didn't know for at least five months
(by listening carefully I knew she wasn't into casual sex) and she said
that was very, very cool and sexy.  But you can bet your ass I'm gonna
close wayyyy before then!


Joe (responding to Joseph's question about the Alexander technique):
As I understand it its a method of physiotherapy or the like invented in the
1920s or thereabouts.


Assman (said):
>Forget about approaches, gimmicks, and what you smell
>like, learn those patterns,memorize them, and improve
>your delivery of them; it's what matters most.
>(Mystery comments on Assman)
>I disagree.  If you can't FIND them, get their
>attention (the OPENER),disarm their obstacles,provide
>social proof and THEN get them to join you in a 1:1
>set at the couches, then you cannot begin SS.
> Remember that SS is designed for the LA cafe scene -
>for 1:1 sets - a single target with no group around
>her.  Most cities in the US and Canada do not have
>similar scenes.  In Toronto a cafe is literally a
>donut shop - with the old bag lady in the corner.
>What about when a hottie is with her parents?
>Then what?  All the stuff leading TO the SS is called
>FLUFF talk.  That severely minimizes the importance
>of what must happen in that FLUFF TALK.
>Opening, raising interest, removing obstacles or
>people, noise and time constraints, getting them to
>trust you enough to sit with you. THEN you can do
>And then after that you still have to >close
...preferably kiss close.
>There is alot to the game and SS is only a part of

 (Assman responds to Mystery)
Yes, sir, you are correct. Get their attention, disarm them,  provide
social proof, etc...  I suppose I was referring more to my SHOCK routines,
I don't need to provide social proof and disarm them with brilliant chit
chat. My opener is shocking, and that gets their attention.  If they go into
alpha state of consciousness, then they are disarmed.  All I must do then is
deliver deepening patterns and suggestions.  This of course does not always
work, and then I either run away, or revert to more conventional tactics.
For the average PUA your approach is superior, and even for me, I often get
better results with it, but I am a man, and sometimes I want to forcefully
dominate a women right from the get go.  Sweet talking women, and using
gimmicks and wingmen work, but the rush you get from a PATERNAL
INDUCTION -(masculine, shock type) is unmatched by the MATERNAL
INDUCTION/SEDUCTION, where you sort of lull them to sleep.

Try it sometime, sneak behind a women, touch her before you say a word to
her, then speak to her with authority in your voice, maybe even present
yourself as an authority, it need not make sense, or seem believable.  Bark
questions at her, "I'm the monitor here, what are you doing?  where are you
going?  We have been watching you, you may be in violation, I'm afraid
you're in trouble.  You must present me with some I.D."  Watch her eyes and
body language», confuse her with conflicting statements, keep your hands on
her to
show control, be overbearing, and even sinister.  Do these experiments and
see just how timid  people really are, and take advantage of the sheep who
cower before you.

My Comment:  This is a pretty radical formula -- what results have you had
with this?  How long do you keep this behaviour up?  What kind of reactions
have you had to this?


I saw Sisonpyh's post and in keeping with Sisonpyh's concept of telling
the babes something very profound, I expanded on his language to form a
pattern that is pretty damn powerful. See what you think:

"You don't have me fooled for a minute, dear." When she says "What are you
talking about?"you say "You don't fool me for a minute with this act that
put on. I can see right thru that false mask that you wear when you are with
people. Now, I know that most men probably fall for this persona of yours.
You try to put out this attitude that says: 'I'm beautiful and
super-confident and even arrogant and aloof and indifferent and so you
always get your way' because most men buy this act, so, for most of your
adult life, you've been able to get by on your looks ... but I know
something about you that none of them know... and that is this: that there's
really another side of you. The side that none of THEM get to see. The side
of you that's on the inside. I can tell there's something else going on
inside of you that is completely different from what you show on the outside
to the rest of the world. (I'll bet you a dollar right now that I know else
something about you that no one who's only known you for 5 minutes has EVER
known... )... You may act tough on the outside, but
that's not who you really are on the inside, because on the inside, you're
actually EXTREMELY sensitive, and emotional, and maybe even insecure. And
you have feelings on the inside, and sometimes they hurt. For example, If
someone says a negative comment to you, you might act like it doesn't bother
you... but it really affects you on the inside. you'll think about it all
the way home... I know that secretly you're as sensitive and emotional as a
little girl... it's just that you never let most people see that part of
you... and there's another thing too. And that is that you feel like there's
something missing inside. Like there's this emptiness inside of you. Like
you're not being fulfilled in your life. And no matter how hard you try,
you've never been able to find any long lasting satisfaction. Whether it's
emotional, (spiritual), physical, sensual or sexual. you haven't been able
to find a relationship where you could really feel that deep connection
inside of you with another person. So far. That special kind of deep
connection that fulfills you right down to your soul. with another person
that knows exactly how you feel. That knows exactly what you want. And knows
exactly what you need. And he's able to give you what you've always wanted,
what you've always needed, (you can add this next part if you think it's
appropriate) because he knows how to love, and he knows how to show it, and
he knows how to share that love with you. He just knows.  (Now, continue to
link and amplify her fulfillment to you.)

This is what I came up with off the cuff.  If anybody else can expand or
comment on it, I'd really like to hear it.

My Comment:  As a general rule, I don't encourage patterns here as I think
they are more appropriate to the SS list.  But as this relates to Sisonpyh's
posts, and since he posted his stuff here and he is not on the SS list, here
it is.

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