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The “6 billion people on the earth” trick
4/28/01 11:00:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time


Well, Major Mark's seminar here in Montreal is just two weeks away (May 11,
12 & 13) (Ross is holding his seminar in Chicago as I type this) and I am
getting psyched.  Poetdude will be in from Boston to attend, Tristan & I
will be there and .... who else?  If you are going, send me an email and let
me know.  We should plan some get together for Thursday evening which is a
big night for going out in this city.

And if you are here in Montreal but aren't going to the seminar, please send
me an email so that I can add you to my Montreal email list.


Another site I have come across offering a book of strategies for success
with women is www.AttractWomenNow.Com  and it is $24.95.  Anyone have tried
this and have any comments?


Chris R:
More free personal ad sites:


This past weekend I had a beautiful Mariah Carey look-alike over for wine
and dine.  When I picked her up to bring to my place, I ran some
connection patterns... pointing out all those things we have in common
and how she instantaneously begins to feel a connection.  Then, I moved
on to some time distortion patterns... projecting a point in the future
when she has achieved all of her hopes, dreams and desires (with me) and
looking back at today as being the start of it.  As things progressed, I
introduced a bit of kino and she responded positively.

We got back to my place and, during the 2 bottles of Dom Perignon we
consumed (she drank the majority), I did a few more connection and time
distortion patterns before moving into arousal patterns.  Before I could
say "Ross Jeffries" she was laying back on the loveseat moaning and
writhing and once I saw the "high beams" glaring at me, I was sure it
would be a very wonderful evening.  We did a little more light petting
on the sofa.  I did Brother Soul's "The Rose" pattern on her... having
her recall and visualize her favorite flower, then I have her attach all
her hopes dreams and desires to the petals of the flower... Then I am
holding it and being locked in that place inside her mind where she
feels love and devotion.  For good measure, I described the process of
how she fell in love... and she acknowledged I was right on target.  We
located that place where she lets that happen... then she could feel the
rich warmth of my voice coming from that place and enveloping her.

We then went upstairs where I gave her a massage (she was peeling from
her suntan and needed to be lotioned) and ran another pattern on her,
"The Fire Burning Inside" where she becomes aware of her breathing...
and the beating of her heart... and a fire that melts from her chest
down to that burning pounding area... and she got completely hot.  We
were on the bed (I was still clothed, she was down to bra and panties)
and she wrapped her legs around me and rubbed up against me
until she came.  I kissed down to her panties and started doing some
lickin' (as a prelude to some stickin') when she told me to stop, then
"announced" that she had a boyfriend.

I stopped, sat down and after a bit of fluff talk did the boyfriend
destroyer pattern and a bit more kino and it was back on... she got so
excited she started chewing on her own arm... but then she slammed on
the brakes again with the boyfriend issue and yelled, "DON'T TOUCH ME

So, I sat down and just continued the conversation... no patterns, just
100% fluff.  Well, it wasn't more than a couple minutes before she slid
over next to me and there was more petting but she always stopped short
of a full mouth kiss... and refused to let me "slip into something more
comfortable" D-OHH !!!

Finally, she said she wanted to go home.  During the drive, she started
holding my hand and asked if I'd take her with me on my upcoming
vacation.  When we arrived, she gave a hug and two quick kisses followed
by, "call me."

I followed up with a MIRV-ed Thermonuclear Hydrogen Bomb NLP/SS
e-mail... but so far haven't heard a peep.  I presume her boyfriend is
still benefiting from the hard work (and $300 worth of expensive
champagne) I put into her.


>I have had a lesbian friend since high school. We are deeply
>connected, close and kinda like soul mates. We're both intelligent,
>friendly and optimistic persons, which is pretty much how we found
>out about our connection. This girl is clever! HIGH IQ, she ain't no
>screwball! She's NEVER an asshole to ANYONE, men or women.
>In fact, the relationship I have with her is as good as with any male
>friends I have.

I have a lesbian friend just like this, and there are two major
benefits on top of our friendship.  1)  She is a chick magnet.  Women,
straight or bi or gay, swarm to her, so she is wonderful for social proof.
2) Because she is so good at pleasing women physically, I have learned so
much from her about pleasing a woman physically.  We can talk about it as
easy as two men.  However, our friendship is on a much deeper level than
what I've explained, so, don't think that just because you befriend a
that she won't figure out that you are using her.  Befriend someone with
intent on being a friend.


I have a new job! For the last week, I have been on my feet on the ground
doing promotion work. For young or poor people on this list who want to
improve their communication skills I suggest doing promo. I am doing a
German newspaper in two ways: in the morning until early afternoon, I'm
standing on the street and ask every passerby if they are willing to read
paper for free for two weeks. Pays neatly, pretty cool. In the evening, I'm
touring bars. That means I ask sitting people (who can hardly run away) if
they could print me some money. This can lead to interesting conversation
easily. Well, I'll sit down for a moment or a cigarette, what are you
drinking? Not Zombie hopefully :[
OK, have you ever experienced AA? I thought it wasn't anticipatory but
approach anxiety... and it cannot survive doing such a job. It is too fast.
Let's humbly say I have encountered 100 HB's today. They mostly suck,
alright. Now I am improving on getting to know people, relating to them. Do
you think I ever collected numbers the whole week I'm doing that job? Yes,
one time. But I met 2 girls who told me I had talked to them earlier. Who
were they? What matters most to me in my job is IF THEY HAVE GOOD TASTE and
try my great product for free. And make me money. Yes, nothing to lose. I
need not remember them. It's a big city. Of course, I'm sad on missing out
several opportunities but I'm learning.  So, I overcome my paranoiac
AFCness. And I'm paying my debts. That really picks up my mood.
And here is the first lesson I learned: if you want to sell something to a
group, target one person out of it. If there is a reluctant answerer for the
group, speak to someone else.  As for sarging, this means it's better to
target the target. How to entertain groups, Mystery?


Ok, so I got played BIG TIME! She put up a HOOP and I jumped through
it, like a good little doggie. It cost me pride & dignity, and I have no
intention of calling her again. Ok, fine. So Mystery, where (maybe it's
perfectly obvious to everyone but me), exactly, did I screw up? How could I
have handled her HOOP and changed it into her jumping through MY HOOP?

NightLight9 comment:
She got buyers remorse after she said you could come over. (it's possible
that she never intended for you to come over, but that seems less likely)
Here's the issue. By not taking the directions you did a good take away,
but you fucked up because you didn't take into account that this was
happening so quick that you needed to close quickly and then inplant some
happy post phone call suggestion so she would stay in state (or just stay on
the phone until you got there).

That said, my thinking is you didn't make a HOOP mistake you made a tactical
mistake. Big difference. When she wanted to give you the directions you
should have just taken them, and her address, because women give shitty
directions. This prevents the buyers remorse, but more importantly, when do
you want to be driving when you don't know where you're going?

Now if it got to the point you let it get to, you need to call her out on
her shit. I don't know if it would have helped, but it was your best shot.
"Are you going to give me the directions or not, because that would be
screwed up shit to invite me over, have me get in my car and drive across
town and then not give me directions."


My Comment:  I don't intend to become the male Ann Landers or Dear Abby, but
lately I have gotten a few requests for my advice on how to handle some
situations from guys.  I just don't have the time to answer these
individually (in fact, I only read these when I put them here in order to
edit them) so I am including them here for everyone else to see and comment

I can understand that to sweep an HB off her feet you need to get something
going with them that same day. However, this would not be treating her as
though she was a 7, and it may mean you are impressed by her beauty.
Wouldn't you be behaving as though being in a hurry thus putting her on a
pedestal? Maybe I did not understand what you mean by getting something
going. Can you give examples, please?

I am now chatting with an HB over the internet, she told me she likes me
from my photo. However she has a broken heart cause her ex bf left her
because he said he wants to enjoy himself (great guy, he must be). I think I
made a mistake by telling her I put her photo as a wallpaper lol. Now soon
she's going for a 2 week holiday and says that between study and packing is
too busy to meet me this week. I want to get in control of the situation. I
gave her my mobile number, always supposed to call but did not yet. I am not
going to ask her for her number, I don't think it would be a good idea. I
have to generate interest in her, however, maybe at times I lost control
due to her beauty, and I don't want to repeat mistakes. What should be my
next move? Should I press to get something going before she leaves for the
holiday or wait? By the way, she told me she does not want to meet also
cause I would miss her. I told her "Oh, I appreciate your modesty". She told
me why I don't think she's modest and I replied that "Do you think I'm gonna
miss you just by meeting one day. Do you call that modest" ?


Cliff, I've discovered a bit of a scam in the online personals -
I've been using the free ones to try and get chicks and will report on it
for your newsletter, but I've found that many of the hotter babes are
actually shams. I also can report on whether some of the sites are really
free or not.
But first, business at hand. I think this one girl is real, and she was on
one of the only sites I visited in which I didn't get any fakes. Below is
her profile, followed by correspondence, followed by the letter I PLAN to
send. Please give me your advice on the proposed letter, as she is new and I
need to make an impression quick. This sham has kinda made me paranoid, but
I'm trying to use the sham I uncovered to win her over. All the stuff about
me is true, just to let you know, and I think I've told it in a way that
makes it look like I'm not bragging. Also, all the stuff I say about her is
true as well. But the last letter will tell you more about the
I'm a 24-year-old Caucasian female looking for serious relationship. I live
about 229 miles from you Age: 24 Gender: Female Sexual Orientation: Straight
Marital Status: Single Country: United States Looking For: Serious
relationship Race: Caucasian Height: 5'4 (163 cm) Weight: 120 lbs (54 kg)
Body Type: Athletic Smokes: Unspecified Drinks: Drink socially Religion:
Christian Children: No children Education: Some College This profile has
been viewed 637 times Describe the person you would like to meet. I just
want a person that would treat me like a lady. I am in a line of work that
makes me out to be some kind of stuck-up woman. I am not. I don't need to be
impressed. Someone that would be down to earth and not act fake. Looks are
not all that important to me. I really don't want a man shorter than me
though. How would you describe yourself? I am a singer. Singing is my
passion I guess you could say. I am 5'4, blonde hair and I have blue eyes. I
like to party and have a good time, but I know how to be serious when I need
to be.
The Correspondence-
Subject: Secret Agent
Date Sent: 5:47:22 PM, Friday, April 20, 2001 EST
Hi! I liked your profile and wanted to tell you that I am in the music
business as well, so we have something in common. I write for several
newspapers and I'm always in the area, touring in musical outfits or on
assignment. I really wish I knew more people in your area, and since we have
some things in common, I thought it would be great if we got to know each
other online.
Subject: P.S.
Date Sent: 5:49:19 PM, Friday, April 20, 2001 EST
I haven't uploaded my pic yet, but would gladly send it or tell you where to
find it...(yes I'm taller than you, haha!).
Subject: Hello Again
Date Sent: 7:20:26 PM, Friday, April 20, 2001 EST
I see that you have read my messages but haven't responded, and we're both
online right here, right now. But you're not stuck-up, huh? I just finished
my profile (I'm new to this too - just got on yesterday) and my photo is
awaiting approval - So in light of that, since you prolly saw a blank space
if you clicked on it, I'll give you one more chance. Just to let you know,
I'm 6'3- (not 6'2 or 6'4- the only options they gave me).
Subject: Re: Hello Again
Date Sent: 8:01:33 PM, Friday, April 20, 2001 EST
I am sorry that I didn't write you back. Don't take it personal. No honey, I
am not stuck-up! I would love to hear from you again.
Subject: LOL
Date Sent: 8:39:08 PM, Friday, April 20, 2001 EST
Hahaha! I believe you. I was wondering, have you heard of this hippie
commune called ABC Farm? There is a big festival there the first week of
June and I am going there the week after next to interview the organizers
for M.E. Magazine. Don't know much about it yet but it's going to be really
interesting - there are about 60 people living on this farm and they are
always organizing art shows and music festivals. By the way, what type of
music do you sing? Do you have a demo out?
OK Cliff that was several days ago and she hasn't been online since,
according to the site, but she did read the last letter before she logged
off. So I haven't grabbed her attention, which is expected since I haven't
really DONE ANYTHING yet. Here is the letter I propose. All it does is
instill comfort and raise a challenge, and also tells a secret which is
good, and best of all I'm being sincere and truthful about the whole thing.
I just hope she is real.........I really need an opinion on it
though...................My first idea for the subject was "I Have A
Confession," but I thought she might think it meant that my picture on my
profile was fake and not read it, so I went with this....
Subject:You Won't Believe this!
Due to what I'm about to tell you, I've been thinking that it would be in
our best interests not to consider dating each other - I will tell you the
reason for this at the end of this message but first I have a confession to
make -
I am writing a story about using online personal ads which I will sell to 8
different magazines/newspapers when it's finished. Don't worry, it won't
involve any names or pictures, so you're totally safe from that.
I have discovered that a large portion of the personal ads which feature
very attractive women are shams put on the net by con artists who try and
get you to call pay-numbers and visit porno sites to get in touch with them
when you reply. They have automatic replies on them and some of them are
really clever. Many really make an effort to conceal the fact of what they
are doing and even seem sincere. I wasn't taken in by them only because in
my experience, if you supplicate to a beautiful woman, she will think you
are weak. Beautiful women seem to hate being put on a pedestal, although
they want respect, and most men don't realize that or are too scared to
stand up for themselves in front of a so- called "10."
By the way, have you gotten some weird-os on here yet or what? I surely
have, but of course to do the article I'm working with 5 different sites.
I guess I learned not to "supplicate" like other men do because I work with
women all the time in my line of work; which brings me to the point about us
being just friends.
I am a band leader and music journalist who backs up artists (mainly women
because they tend to be nicer than male "stars"). I have backed up such
singers/players as (list of names), etc. I also play folk, Indian, Celtic,
newgrass, and old school country styles. I have a stage name so that I can
also write articles in newspapers and magazines about the people I back up.
I also book the tours, using my influence as a writer to insure turn-out,
and my band plays up and down the east coast and in Holland. I work with
other booking agents as well.
Anyway, I hope that you are a real person and not one of the schemes, but I
have a feeling that you are real, so I think if you really do have a talent
for singing, then we could help each other out in each other's careers.
Maybe you could try out for my Review, or in the least we might get an
article published in a mag - good for you (exposure) and good for me
(money). You have the looks of a star, so if you can sing I could really use
your connection -
I know you probably hate that I said that, because you probably get sick of
guys putting you on a pedestal, but I'm just being truthful. You know,
beauty is one thing, and being a great person is another - believe me I
know....I've been with some girls, either in relationships or in business,
who were beautiful but very mean and self-centered. I have a feeling you are
different than that but let's just see how we get along and be friends
first, I'm not desperate and neither are you.
This might seem kind of paranoid but I'm thinking that you might be thinking
that I'm one of the scams and just telling you a bunch of bullshit to get
you to buy something but I promise you one thing - nothing you do to
communicate with me will cost you any money. I am for real. I really hope we
talk again, have a great life if we don't!
Also, since you were one of the only 9 or 10 women who responded to me who
were REAL, I could use your feedback to help with the story - maybe you
could anonymously relate to me if the same thing is going on in the female
section of the internet dating service.

My Comment:  I don't have the time or energy to go through your response in
detail, but I think you go on too long in parts and you don't need to say
anything about the 'not being a supplicant'.  I think that kind of attitude
needs to speak for itself.  She has to see on her own that she's dealing
with a man that she can't twist around her little finger, not someone who
tells her he's that kind of man.  And I'd personally cut out the "what I can
do for you" stuff.  You need to have the attitude (without saying it
directly, because it can obviously be very obnoxious if expressed) that
she's the lucky one to have the opportunity to go out with you.  It's not
the other way around.


I need some advice from you.
Two weeks ago, I met a girl in a dance club. She's an 8+. I played a
quarter's game, did a magic trick, and did her palm reading. She was
surprised at what I told her:
"How did you know that?" I told her it's just the power. Then after some
fluff talk, I told her my time is constrained and got her email. Although I
knew getting a phone number would be better, I was only 50% sure I could get
it at that time.

The next day, I wrote her an email. Because I thought I might have seen her
as a waitress in the bar before (I am not 100% sure), I said I felt she's
special from others. Just like an actress who went to the cinema to see her
own movie. Then I used the "6 billion people on the earth" trick. Then I
said I felt she's sensitive and asked her opinion of my poetry. I sent out
says the world will end in fire...."

I got a reply today. She said she was on business trip. Her reply is at the
bottom of this letter. Can you tell me what information she conveyed in it?
found she talked about business a lot. Does it mean I didn't attract her
enough? She said "will be looking forward to your call". Did she mean it or
is she just being polite. I didn't have her number. Should I trade for it in
the next email? Should I give mine first and ask her to send me hers in the
next one or should I just mention "how about we trade numbers" but don't
give mine out and let
her give hers first? Any suggestion to reply to this email? (such as what
patterns should I use?...) I think it's not a good time to ask her out,
because I haven't
conveyed enough personality yet. What do you think?

(His first email):
It was very nice meeting you last night. One thing I didn't tell you was I
felt you were special from the other customers. I don't know what exactly it
was. Hard to tell, but it's just like going to a theatre, the others people
are the typical audience. They just buy the tickets and watch the movie. But
you look like an actress in the film. You go into and find a place to sit
down, then enjoy the movie you are so familiar with, quietly and joyfully.
You are totally different from the others. I don't know why I had this
feeling, maybe just intuition. Can you tell me why if you know?

The fun talk with you really gave me a happy feeling. I have been always
thinking about a question: there are 6 billion people in the world, how can
two people meet together? There must be some luck involved. Especially, if
you find this person so interesting, so special, so sensitive and even know
what's inside you, what's your feeling at this time. For me, it's just like
it sparkles in my mind, a mysterious compelling click that takes place right
there. You don't want to let it slide away. You want to grab it, don't you?
Sometimes, this kind of click can give me inspiration to write poetry.

Oh, maybe I should ask a female's opinion to my poetry. A short one is here:

Some say the world will end in fire
Some say 'twill end in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire,
I hold with those who favour fire,
That fire within your eyes.

What do you think? Talk to me.

(Her reply):
Sorry I haven't got a chance to write sooner, I just got back from
Atlantic City!!! It was on business, and it was absolutely incredible. Went
to the Taj Mahal - beautiful, went to Caesar's Palace, did a little bit of
gambling (no winnings though) and met so many amazing people.  I thank you
for your letter, and the poem was really touching and made sense : )

So how are things with you? What are you doing in your life right now?
Are you happy?

I have never been so happy in my life than right now - I was introduced
to and offered the most amazing opportunity of a lifetime - no joke!!! If
you keep your business options open and if the concept of getting paid
everytime someone picked up a phone, flicked on a light, or clicked on the
internet interests you at all, I would love to introduce this to you as

I am sorry that I cannot talk long but I have a thousand things to do,
but will be looking forward to your call!!! : )

My Comment: I think she sees you as a potential customer for her multi-level
marketing, internet related product that she is selling.  I suggest you cut
that off right at the start and let her know that you really are busy in
your own work or business but appreciate her thinking of you.  And drop it
completely.  Make sure you don't talk about business and make sure it is
clear that that is not why you are communicating.

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