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How can it be so short?
5/3/01 4:20:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time


One week from tomorrow Major Mark's seminar here in Montreal starts.  For
more information if you are still on the fence, visit his website at  If you are in Montreal, please let me know.


Another free internet personals system:


New Boyfriend Destroyer:
Having come up against the "I have a bf objection" again last night and my
usual attempt (last night it was"is he filling a role, or fulfilling needs,
etc." but I use different ones all the time) at getting past it having it's
typically ineffective (for me) results, I thought up the following and
wanted to get some feedback, suggestions for revisions, etc.:

"Well, let me ask you one question and see if you can be truly honest with
me, are you so madly in love with that guy that I should just wish you well
and be on my way, or should I push past this test to find out what happiness
we could have together?"

I will be beta testing this one as early as tonight.


My Comment:  I had received privately a few emails from guys who had ordered
products from Bishop, complaining that he did not send them what they
ordered.  I don't really want to get into this in detail, but below you will
find Ross's statement about Bishop and their now terminated relationship.
After receiving this from Ross, I got a copy of a general email from Bishop
asking for patience with some explanations and offering refunds if people
couldn't wait.  Without saying too much, I wouldn't expect either a book or
a refund if I were you.  I would love to be proven wrong.

To: All current and prospective customers, and all associates of the Speed
Seduction» Community

From: Ross Jeffries

Date: May 1, 2001

Re: Dissolving of Relationship with "Bishop" (aka Michael Emery)

During all of the years in which I have developed and taught Speed
Seduction», I have worked to develop the best technology and tools possible
and provide these to my customers. I have always and continue to stand
behind my products and seminars. My dedication to customer satisfaction has
always been and continues to be demonstrated by the full Guarantee which
backs up every Speed Seduction» Product and Seminar.

It is because of this concern for my customers that I must write this
letter. A situation has been brought to my attention that I feel I must act
upon, in order to protect my customers and my relationship with them.

Throughout my time working with Speed Seduction» and related disciplines of
the mind, I have had the pleasure of meeting and working with many
intelligent and fascinating people. Most of these were students, and some
were colleagues with their own skills and expertise in related areas of
knowledge. From time to time, I have entered into affiliations of sorts with
some of these persons. Some of these person provided seminars or training
materials on their own, and I have endorsed them to various degrees based
upon my belief that they had something to offer my students, and they would
conduct their business in a fair and ethical manner.

In other cases, I chose to form a more direct relationship with some persons
by having them as guests at my seminars, or carrying their products along
with my own within the Speed Seduction» Catalog.

With any of these persons with whom I have been affiliated, I have always
held that their customers should and MUST be treated fairly. If I receive
information to the contrary, especially from multiple sources, then I must
take proactive steps to remove and retract any type of endorsement, direct
or indirect, so that my students and customers know that I will NOT tolerate
such behavior.

Regretfully, this is the reason I must address you now.

For the past 2 years, an individual known as "Bishop" (Michael Emery) has
been a part of the Speed Seduction» community. He has appeared at seminars,
and up until recently, Straightforward carried products of
his(Straightforward no longer does so and has not since about the end of
March). On a case-by-case basis, I allowed him to be a Speed Seduction»
Personal Trainer, providing direct training of SS technology to individual
students. When Bishop decided to begin a related business of his own, I
wished him well and understood that, to some degree, some of his initial
customers may have been those that initially heard of him due to his
involvement with myself and Speed Seduction». I found this to be acceptable
at the time, because I was led to believe that he would conduct himself in a
manner worthy of the Speed Seduction» community and an affiliation with

As you are all now aware, I have received a high number of complaints
regarding Mr. Bishop's conduct with regard to his failing to ship orders of
his book which he received payment for in advance. Additionally, many of
these people have stated that their emails to Mr. Bishop inquiring about the
status of their orders have gone unanswered by him. I have attempted to get
a satisfactory explanation from Bishop(aka Michael Emery) but his answers
did not satisfy me. The bottom line is that the books were paid for and the
orders were not received by his customers.

The sheer number of complaints I have received from my Speed Seduction»
students about this person, plus additional information which I have come
across that I will not comment upon publicly, leads me no choice but to
dissolve any associations that I have with this individual.

Any endorsements, either direct of indirect, express or implied, that I have
made with respect to Michael Emery, aka "Bishop" are retracted.

Mr. Emery is no longer allowed to in any way use my name, the Speed
Seduction» name or trademark, or to in any way participate in any of my
events or the Speed Seduction» email List. He is not authorized or permitted
to consult or counsel any of my students in Speed Seduction»(R).

Should anyone be witness to Mr. Emery using the Speed Seduction» name, or
attempting to represent myself or the Speed Seduction» community or its
teachings, I would appreciate being contacted regarding such behavior so I
can take the appropriate legal action.

I am sorry for this interruption in our learning and look forward to getting
back to the Sarging.


I found these two websites w/ free info on seduction, thought you might want
to share them with your list:  (Warning: Be prepared for annoying
popup windows and clunky site design.)  (Mostly copies of Ross' newsletters and some
interesting articles from on alpha males)


This is a response to Cal:
> I need some advice from you.
> Two weeks ago, I met a girl in a dance club. She's an 8+. I played a
> quarter's game, did a magic trick, and did her palm reading. She was
> surprised at what I told her:
> "How did you know that?" I told her it's just the power. Then after some
> fluff talk, I told her my time is constrained and got her email. Although

She is a member of an MLM - I believe 'acn' , she views you as a customer ,
a worker who generates revenue for her , and she run a 'pattern' on you -
> I have never been so happy in my life than right now - I was introduced
> to and offered the most amazing opportunity of a lifetime - no joke!!! If
> you keep your business options open and if the concept of getting paid
> every time someone picked up a phone, flicked on a light, or clicked on
> internet interests you at all, I would love to introduce this to you as
> well.

The next steps of her will be to connect you on a conference call about
their business, and bring you to a meeting .

I am not sure what can you do at this point - forget her, tell her you know
what is she doing, or get her in a private place and spank her .

My Comment:  I asked Paul what "acn" meant, and here is his reply:
American Communication Network - big name, as usual; they deal with
getting a percentage out of the phone, electric, internet, cable ... etc.
bills of their 'customers'.

It is a good business for a seducer to have couple of HB's, below him, to
attract 'customers'.

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One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo’s Double Your Dating» e-book.  David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" — which is "hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for several years now that I originally met through one of Ross’ Speed Seduction» seminars.  His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.

Ron Louis and David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes.

Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites that have been seen within this "seduction community". After seeing several terrible reviews and "flames" from, I decided to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal to anything I have seen in the past.  At any rate, I know you wanted a review.. and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his members area than I would expect to see from any other site.

Not only does this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee, but it stands alone and it’s program is unmatched. Right now they’re doing a Free Trial period, and I’d take advantage of this while you can. The site reads "Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women. From A – Z, you’ll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you’ll see why their members like this program so much.


Here’s another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past but I haven’t gone through the old emails to check. Do You Want To Know A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?

Advanced Macking has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.

This one also looked pretty interesting. Information on breakups and loving-styles.

Success Secrets Our free newsletter reveals it all Money and Personal Finance secrets; Business & Marketing secrets; Health, Fitness, and Weight-Loss advice; Self Defense secrets; Memory Improvement tips; Smart Advice on Flirting, Dating, Sex, and Relationships; Personal Development tips; Communication and Negotiation tips; Tax Secrets & Loopholes! Investment and Stock Market tips; and Much More

The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting. Comments, please.

Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using Personals for SexThe Guide contains the following Inside Secrets: Replying to ads – how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.   Placing ads – how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide contains a list of the best adult personals sites.

A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language to make others obey your command.

Arte’s New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman’s g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend – but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully.

Check this out.

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Cliff’s Comment: The following are all recommended but clicking on the links and buying from them doesn’t send any money back here (it is also recommended that the sponsors of these sites consider setting this up — from the little experience I have had since I started the commercial section a couple of weeks ago, I think you are missing a lot of business by not doing this):


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