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8/31/01 5:41:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time


Several emails ago, I proposed the idea of holding a seminar here in
Montreal that would feature an array of the people who post to this
list.  Many of these people are professionals who teach and/or write about
being successful with women, with relationships, getting laid, etc. and
having a selection of these people with many different views all get
together for a weekend of fun sounds like a great idea.  I propose that it
be held in the summer of 2002 and there are numerous reasons for it to be
in Montreal (for you Americans, your $1.00 buys you $1.50 up here, if the
incredible women of this city isn't enough to entice you here) besides the
fact that for me to organize it elsewhere would be difficult.  Also I
understand that getting a hotel in a major city which has the facilities
you need that is at the right price and that is close to the night life is
not an easy combination to find (but it is available here).  In any event,
I haven't heard from many of you that you would be willing to attend, to
speak, to whatever to make this happen and this is just a reminder that I
am still thinking about it.


OK, I tested out the "You are SOO cute!  Too bad I'm gay cause otherwise I
would totally go for you!" line.  This line is pure genius, as I said
before, and it really gets a good response.  I LOVE this line!!!

I won't tell you every story, but I do want to talk about the FIRST time I
used it.  As Cliff already knows, my specialty is young girls at bus
stops.  This is my favorite place to sarge.  First of all, they are usually
just standing there BORED so getting them to talk is easy.  Second, as long
as the bus hasn't arrived yet, they're STUCK with you!  Hehe, I like the
concept.  Third, if you don't get a chance to talk with her for whatever
reason, just note the time of day.  Chances are, she'll be there tomorrow
at the exact same time!  Fourth, there's no other competition around.  I
could list a hundred reasons why bus stop sarging RULES.

Anyway, I leave work yesterday and there's two young HBvirgin's just
sitting there on the bench (bus stop), yakking away about RELATIONSHIPS of
all things.  If I can talk to a girl about relationships, I can pick her up
95% of the time, by telling her my "theories".  Don't forget I have read
over 300 books on relationships, psychology, NLP, etc.

So the UG is telling the HB10virginbarbiefuckmedoll to just GO for it, and
ask this guy (from school) out, and stop being so chicken, etc.

So I go, "Woah woah woah woah! Let me get this straight. YOU are afraid of
asking out some geeky little high school CHUMP?"
HER (shocked, confused, amused, and very intrigued) Yeah...
HER UG FRIEND "See, even HE thinks you're crazy!"
ME "Well, do you have any serious personality flaws or something? You're
not...(I pull back in disgust)...A MAN or anything, are you???"

(BOTH OF THEM CRACKED UP and almost fell off the bench laughing.  HBvirgin
was very red when I said this, young girls get embarrassed SO easily.)

ME (leaning in softly) "Look...You obviously haven't realized how beautiful
you really are yet.  Eventually you're gonna hear this enough times and
it's prolly gonna go to your head, and you'll PROLLY become a real BITCH,
too! (They are both laughing)  But since you still seem to have some
decency left in you...I just want to say that if I wasn't so old...and if I
wasn't gay...I would totally go for you."

Now, I know I did alot more than just use the "I'm gay" line, but MAN does
this approach work!!!  Treat em like your bratty sister.  Guys, gimme some
stories about negs that have worked for you.  I'm IN LOVE with negs.  Now,
this little hottie ended up being only 15 years I fucked
her!  Just kidding  ; )  Anyway, after that this girl was in love with
me.  Can anyone sell me a time machine?


So today as I'm getting off the bus, I see my ex-girlfriend's little
sister, HB9.  I dated her sister like 8 years ago, so it's cool for me to
sarge her (by anyone's standards).  Since I'm working on NEG theory, I
quickly decide that I am ONLY going to use negs, to see how far I can go
with this.  BTW, when I dated her sister, 8 years ago, HB9 was only like
11, and I never really talked to her before, except to politely say hello.
This girl (HB9) is VERY, VERY SHY.

So we get off the bus, and I say, "HEY! Aren't you Amanda's little snobby
HER (smiling) "yeah..."
ME "You seem better now, aren't you?"
HER (smiling) "yeah..."
ME "NOPE! Still a snob!"
HER "I'm not a snob! People just think that cause I'm shy!"
ME "It's ok, I forgive you."
HER (laughing out loud)
ME So look at ya! (eyeing her from head to toe, slowly like a pervert)
You're all grown up now!  You must be what...14 by now!"
HER (grinning) "I'm 19!"
ME "OOOUUUUU!  So you're a pretty sophisticated woman now, eh?"
ME "You're cute too.  You have a BOREfriend or what?"
HER "No..."
ME "They prolly think you're too sophisticated for them!"
HER (laughing)
ME "Well, you know....I'd ask you out, sweety, don't get me's
not that you're not attractive...but........."
HER "WHAT????"
ME "Well...I'm gay."
HER (Laughing out loud, then, suddenly realizing I might not be kidding,
and getting uncomfortable)
ME "You have a problem with that?!"
HER (Unsure, nervous, doesn't know of I'm kidding or not)

Anyway, this isn't EXACTLY word-for-word verbatim, but this is pretty close
to the way the conversation went.  This NEG shit seems to be the missing
link in my seduction puzzle, and I am sure I could have closed her, but
decided not to because I know her family are fucking PSYCHOS.

Guys, help me to hone my negging skills.  Any and all comments would be
much appreciated!


Anton's Review for "Think like a Shrink - 100 principles for seeing deeply
into yourself and others" by Emmanuel Rosen
My highest recommendation goes towards Think like a Shrink (TLS) which you
can buy through Amazon link in the commercial section of this newsletter.
TLS is the best pop-psychoanalysis book I have read since Games People Play
by Eric Bern (very strongly recommended as well).
I became fascinated with the idea of Cliff Notes on psychoanalysis after
reading Think like a Shrink article in Sep/Oct 98 Popular Psychology by
Emmanuel Rosen.
The article was so good and so much in the face of current media thinking
about personality, that I clipped it and reread it many times in the last 3
It also started with a tantalizing sentence that an author is writing a
book on the same topic, so every time  I read the article I checked for the book. Finally the book came out this summer and exceeded
all my expectations. TLS is divided into 100 chapters, not more than two
pages each, and each one describing a key psychoanalytic principle and
titled with hilarious anti-PC statements such as Woman who angle for male
attention may never
have hooked maternal affection... and Don Juan had an absent father, or Too
much love may mean hate; too much hate may mean love; or Beware unsolicited
denials, etc. Just reading the titles is worth the price of the book. I
have to note here that the book is written weaker than the article,
because the article was an absolute gem with 21 most important principles
packed on 5 journal pages, with each principle being explained in 2-5
info-packed sentences. In the book the author has the luxury of spreading
100 principles into 230 pages, so the writing is not as tight. But the bottom
line is that you will have a very good grasp of psychoanalysis (and
yourself) after reading the book.
So how can this be useful for the readers of this list? First,
unfortunately, we see too many letters to this list where it is obvious
that the author has to run not walk from the situation/HB, and he does not
even understand from his position that he has a problem. After reading TLS
you will be able to see all the warning signs for yourself, without
thinking later "what the hell was I thinking when I got involved in
this?"  Second, this book is ideal for learning things about yourself. Even
on this list we have taboos, and some issues will never be resolved here -
you have to do it yourself and TLS can help. For example, we can discuss
until it hurts how to pick up HB's half our age, but never discuss how to
deal with issues of mid life crisis gracefully. Finally, TLS has a lot of
practical applications as well. I know that if there is one question you
have to ask, it is critical to ask HB about her childhood. Depending on her
answers, you will be able build an instant profile, and decide for yourself
if she is what you want. Then for the especially wicked sargers among us,
here is another recipe:  Ask all kinds of questions about her father, and
listen intently for his qualities. Then just emulate the qualities she
mentioned, and she will like you like crazy without even understanding why.
Again, my highest recommendation for the "Think like a shrink" by Emmanuel

Cliff's Comment:  Ask about her childhood and find out and then emulate her
father.  Simple, obvious, yet really clever advice.


Mark B.:
(Commenting on: "Bucky On a different topic, I've noticed that lately I've
encountered a lot of
bitch shields while sarging at malls. It seems that they're almost like
"clubs light" in the sense that chicks are more defensive and they think
that if you're talking to them you're automatically hitting on them. Has
anyone else experienced this?"):

MARK     Malls are one of my favourite places to pick up women but I feel that
the mall setting is really irrelevant when it comes to whether or not they
are receptive. Think of it this way. If something comes along that you
really want will you care where that takes place, i.e. mall, street, store,

What I usually look for is a woman that walks a little slower and looks
around a little. This means that she may be more relaxed and more open to
having a conversation. Ones that walk quickly or only look ahead usually are
on a mission and not as open to being picked up. But some actually may be
open as I picked up one woman that could not stop smiling but before I
approached her she looked serious and not friendly at all.

On another point why would they, knowing that you want to pick them up, be a
detriment to you getting their number? When I approach a woman I make sure
she knows that I am there to pick her and get her number. For me this works
about 50% of the time as roughly 1 out of 2 women will offer their number
or whatever. Even married women have given me their e-mail or work numbers.
It's funny to me how many guys and "love doctors" think that the key to
success is hiding your true intent. But I think the difference lays in how
you express yourself.  If you come across as "Hey babe, what's goin' on
sweetness, nice ass" that will not work but "Hello, you know I could not
help but notice you. I wanted to let you know that you stand apart from the
crowd and look stunning with your great energy that you emanate. How about a
coffee?" This is also direct but a lot more human toward the woman and makes
you look like a total respectful yet go getter guy.

(Commenting on: "Bucky  I've done my fair share of sarging at malls and
I've had success mostly
with sales girls that are working, girls in the food court, and if you're
lucky you'll find a girl sitting on bench that is fun to mess with. But
while approaching girls in department stores, clothing stores, and anytime
they're shopping I've pretty much just encountered coldness. Any advice for
handling this?"):

MARK     Working girls need to be nice because if they are not their jobs are
on the line. I think how they respond depends on your approach. For me I
always found the direct yet respectful and articulate approach works best.
Women have said "Mark, no one has ever pick me up this way before"
Compliments always work well. I always compliment them right away. Positive
response 50% of the time.

(Commenting on: "Bucky  Like the other day, I saw that a girl had at a
tattoo on her back and I
asked her if she designed it, she said "no" and gave me a look that said
"why the fuck are you talking to me, can't you see that I'm busy?" Maybe RJ
would have been able to handle this, but my only thoughts were "Exit, Stage
MARK    Two weeks ago I was at a Wal-Mart in Toronto and I see a girl bent
over a shopping cart with a great butt, a lean waist and long legs with a
Tattoo of a women in a cape on her back. I went by to get some bottled
water. After I lifted the jug off the shelf, I decided to approach her but
she was turned with her back toward me so I did not yet see her face. I came
up to her and said "Excuse me I noticed your Tattoo. It looks great. What
does it represent?" She immediately smiled and said she just had a it done
and just liked the way it looked. Then I saw her face and realized she was
not for me; she looked pretty overall but had a Jaws smile, small teeth and
large gums - not good. We chatted for a bit and I said "I think it
represents mystery and passion. Just like who I think you are." She said
"Right, mystery and passion, that's me" with a big smile on her face. I left
after that after realizing she was not on my scale.

I continued talking to her, eye contact and compliments and she loved it. I
think the combo of being friendly, complimentary, and direct worked well here.

Cliff's Comment:  Whenever you are not interested, it seems you can do no

(Commenting on: "Ronnie   1. Sometimes before doing any attempted pick ups,
I have a hard time
getting into a positive, playful, confident and direct frame of mind. I
have tried to visualize success, but I can only get the state to last a
minute.  Any suggestions on feeling good before you go chick fishing?"):

MARK   What I do that helps is called Maintenance of a Positive Attitude
through the Assumption of a Negative Result. I read this is a book called
"Sales through Intimidation" or something like that. This means I go into a
situation knowing that odds are that I will not succeed and get rejected
more often that I succeed. This way I already know the worst case scenario
and have already felt its emotional sting. Think of it this way: if you
knew that a woman you were going to approach was going to reject you for
certain, would you care what you said to her or how you came across?  This
attitude allows you to go all out and say and do whatever you need to in
order to succeed. It takes away your fear of losing them before you have
them and allows you to be at your best right away.

I met a few married women recently and after finding out they were married I
said "Hey, let's have an affair behind your husband's back."  Would I have
said "Let's have a passionate love affair" if they were single? Probably not
because I would feel that concerned that I would lose them if I came on
too strong too soon. But knowing that the odds of success with a married
woman are so remote allows you to come all out knowing that you are
extremely likely to fail. Therefore in order to get into the right frame of
mind I say "Most of the women I approach are likely to say no but a few will
say yes."  This way you avoid holding back what you really need to do. I found
that we fail not because we do or say the wrong thing but because we hold
back for fear or concern of scaring off the prey. We are not that powerful
and people can handle our advances. If you fuck up you can always back

On another point on the topic of looks:
I have been experimenting with some carbo loading to see what effect it
would have on my appearance. Last week I went through a spell where I would
space my meals about 3 hours apart. In addition to that I also deliberately
under cooked my rice a little bit to see the effects. The result was leanness
all over my body and face with a greater chiseled look. Now in my gym works
one of the hottest babes you have ever seen. She is a dead ringer for Janine
the porn star. Last week while looking lean and sharp when I came in she was
all friendly and smiling and told me about her break-up with her boyfriend
and how she is not looking to date all over again. She even told me which
clubs she was going to that weekend. While out on Saturday with a friend at a
club, a girl came up to me grabbed my chest and then my crotch, stuck out her
tongue that was pierced and said "My clit is also pierced. Wanna see it?"

This week I accidentally overcooked my rice with too much water and had my
first two meals of the day only 2 hours apart. The result was that my body
spilled excess water under my skin and as a consequence I looked bloated.
The girl in the gym barely spoke to me when I came in on Monday and Tuesday.
I immediately corrected the bloating problem after noticing it and returned
back to my lean and sharp look. But what a large difference in response a
small difference in appearance can make. It was still me with the same
attitude and lines but the friendly response was not there. All the more
reason to focus on improving your looks as well as your attitude.


(Commenting on: "FMAC"):

What is this?


(Commenting on: "Please do!  I'm getting a little tired of trying to LEAD
the conversation in certain directions (so that I can slide in a memorized
pattern or two).  My energy often says, "Honey, are you DONE talking about
(boring topic) so I can start talking about "This cool show I saw on the
Discovery Channel last night", and mention that I prefer bisexuals in a way
that doesn't make it seem out of context."):

Well, the smooth metal ball theory doesn't quite address that issue, but
here goes:

Imagine each woman you meet as being like a smooth metal ball...seamless,
and slippery...impossible to pick up or move off the ground because every
time you try it either slides out of your grasp or rolls away.

Each and every time you get a strong positive response and anchor
get a handle glued to the ball or magically bonded to it..which enables you
to move it more easily and add progressively more handles.

Also, asking questions that access high quality info (not her favorite
color but her processes for being turned on, cutting loose, falling in
love, indulging...her values in a man...what she finds most fulfilling in
her work/art/life)...these also put handles on the ball.

What else? Demonstrations/visualizations that create deeper responsiveness
and de-potentiate her fixed ideas on what she HAD to have or what she
normally responds to.

Get it? Each handle lets you get progressively more ability to move the
ball...till you can drop through the "seduction" hoop.

(Commenting on: "My idea is cute, but face it, it won't always work.  Also,
they don't all have the maturity, the courage to confront you with, "You're
too old!"  OFTEN when I approach HBteenies they just get QUIET and TENSE
right off the bat."):

HB TEENIES? NO wonder...dude, teens is too young for me...

But it depends on the context in which you meet them. Just approaching them
cold? Depends on how much younger...and also, before hand, who is your
market, psychologically?

For me, I'm great at enthralling younger women on the subject of
self-improvement, powers of the mind, the mystical, etc. Girls who are
looking into improving their lives or who are heavily into
self-improvement, self-help, psychic stuff are READY subjects, but one has
to be careful not to be a "therapist" and to steer things the right
way.  If a girl is, as my young friend Lauren (22) says, "A sucker for
fascination" then I am in there with a fighting chance.

Or perhaps a woman who has been burned by younger guys so often, she views
them as irresponsible idiots. Thus, at some point, you could say, "Would
you rather be a young man's fuck toy? Or an older guy's sweetie?"

Put it in quotes if you want said to your young neighbor...etc.
etc....I owe this one to Major Mark...his words, NOT mine, but it can work.

(Commenting on: "Stephane A question for Ross (and the group)  Ross, I
often hear you talking about black HB's.  I want to taste one, and never
have. Are there any special opportunities/challenges when dealing with
black women in your opinion?  Cliff knows my fetish/curiosity for blacks)":

I've always done ok with black women, they were one of my few refuges from
abstinence BEFORE I knew SS.

They like me because I'm totally different from the macho black dudes MOST
of them are used to.

I'm Jewish people carry the stereotype of being
honest and good providers(even if it isn't true, it doesn't matter), I love
going down on women (who are reasonably clean, that is!) and I think you
definitely can go far by NOT being an asshole, NOT being arrogant or
self-centered and actually throwing your intelligence around a bit.

Cliff's Comment:  "REASONABLY CLEAN"!!   Eeeeoooooo.....

(Commenting on: "Stephane (Commenting on Ross  "If I weren't old and
gay..I'd go for're very cute".)   This is the best approach I've
ever heard of, especially for 10's! I mean, how can it NOT work!  This is
such a great ice-breaker!  It combines humor with "I'm not hitting on you"
with simplicity with genuine flattery with intrigue....I'm getting up early

Yeah...then take it back rapidly and say, "Wait a minute...I feel a
tingle...hallelujah...I'm CURED!"

(Commenting on: "ME  It's funny you say that, because I was just having an
interesting conversation with a friend of mine.  He said that YOU KNOW that
someone is a SHALLOW PERSON when you express your UNIQUE AND SPECIAL point
of view, and instead of being curious and intrigued by it, they actually
judge you and think that you are weird and uncool!"):

That is SO money! I'm going to use that!

(Commenting on: "HER (Completely boxed inside her own model of the
world!  NOBODY wants to be shallow!  She just pretended like it never
happened, like she never thought that at all) WOW!  That's SO
INTERESTING...(pausing to integrate new belief)...Can you say that again?
I explained it to her again, and she actually started looking at me like
I'm some kind of GENIUS!  She sat closer to me, became very expressive, and
ended up buying ME dinner.  During dinner, she started using the word
"WE".   This is when you know she's yours!  I stopped her at some point
(she was begging me to hypnotize her), leaned forward and said, "OK, but I
just want to make it clear, WE ARE JUST FRIENDS, OK?"
I ended up doing a full-blown induction on her in the park and put in a few
good metaphors to get her to really want me, and have created a
stalker.  She contacted me on MSN today.  I sent her a file called Training
Module 01.avi.  It's a porn clip of an HB sucking the cum out of a dick,
spitting it back on the dick, and lapping it back up and finally swallowing
it.  She said no problem. And she ain't kidding, either.  And all this to
avoid being SHALLOW. Can anyone help me build this new pattern?"):

One of my eight spoke wheels of seduction: give them a self image to live
up to OR a negative quality to move away from or BOTH!

(Commenting on: "Personally, however, I don't see any substitute for going
up to and talking with a live woman.  Yes, it could probably supplement
what you are doing but it has been my experience (I know others have it
easier, but not me) that great success with a woman is a somewhat involved
process that takes a bit of doing and developing some intimate rapport is
just something I have a hard time imagining without spending some time
actually in front of her and/or on the phone and having good conversations."):

Get the initial rapport BEFORE you talk to really helps.

(Commenting on: "Magic Juan   Subject frustration vs. enemy
(Commenting on Ross wrote "Someone who is frustrating you isn't your enemy
and ought not to be
treated as such...they are just someone who is frustrating you. As someone
who has both HAD and BEEN a real enemy, I can tell you there is a real
For you, would a person cross the line from frustrator to enemy if the
frustration were
   on purpose?
   directed at you personally?
If no, what is the line, for you, between being an enemy and just
being deliberately, characteristically, and personally mean?"):

An enemy threatens to do direct and grievous harm to my person, property,
business, loved ones, friends or reputation,  or someone who continually
violates my trust after warnings.

I had an enemy who was not only lying about me and my business practices
but actively interfering with my ability to communicate with my students
and their ability to communicate with each other. I HAD to stop this
person. He continued to attack even after being warned.
HE was an enemy and now he is GONE from the Internet...


(Commenting on: "Ronnie   2. I like going to bookstores and libraries when
sarging.  The problem I
have is that I am somewhat inhibited and don't like carrying on a
conversation with a woman when there are people around reading/studying.  I
don't want them disturbed or  them listening in.  Is it a matter of just
talking in a lower voice or should I try to get the target to move so I
can do handwriting analysis/palm reading in a more private setting? I
remember once being at a Barnes and Noble and this guy was hitting on this
woman and I could hear him talking and I was listening in almost.  Finally
he had her move but the fact that it took so long to do so made his PU seem

This is really going to limit you.  I would suggest you work through this
issue instead of basing your tactics on it.  I PU chicks in front of other
people all the time.  In fact I think its easier that way...
What about PUing in front of someone bothers you?
Do you really care what they think?  They are probably wishing they had the
balls or hoping to learn something.  Either way, it's a compliment...


(Commenting on Cliff's Comment: I have Amargi's manual and I attended the
Speed Life Seminar Ross gave a year and a half ago where he taught some of
his Psychic Influence stuff.  I played around with this a little and I have
no doubt it could be very powerful.  Personally, however, I don't see any
substitute for going up to and talking with a live woman.  Yes, it could
probably supplement what you are doing but it has been my experience (I
know others have it easier, but not me) that great success with a woman is
a somewhat involved process that takes a bit of doing and developing some
intimate rapport is just something I have a hard time imagining without
spending some time actually in front of her and/or on the phone and having
good conversations.  Those who beg to differ are encouraged to share your
experiences and techniques."):

Yes, you are most certainly right. While I found some
of the mind seduction systems very effective, nothing
gives me the head rush of actually walking up to a
live woman and casting your magic spells of rapport
with the talk, the body language» and the eye contact.
Those are the assaults I like using the most the
concrete types.

I've also read so many of the standard "meeting women
books."  Many are trash, like Attract Women Now, the
books by Wayne Ross, Advanced Macking and How to
Succeed with Women. In my opinion, these authors
hastily throw something just to make a buck at OUR

Now, there are some very good manuals, like those
written by Mr. DeAngelo (Double Your Dating»), Magnetic
Attraction, Speed Seduction» and the really good "How
to Make Anyone Fall In love with You" (Leill Lowndes).

I have a library of books (over 30) on such related
matters. Over half are junk and it pains my wallet
having spent on courses like Advanced Macking shit.
(And you can quote me on that. No one should buy
Advanced Macking. It's **total CRAP**!!@@#$!@).

I'm fairly certain that YOU yourself have such an
advanced collection, based on the wonderful
newsletters you send out.

With all that said... could your recommend to me the
TOP 15 books on this genre that I ABSOLUTELY must
have, those that aren't gonna burn my pocket, but will
certainly justify the dough? I'd appreciate that a

Cliff's Comment:  I guess I have a different view of a lot of this
stuff.  In my business, I can pick up the phone and propose an investment
to a client and make a very substantial fee if that client buys that
investment.  So while it may seem like I did very little work to get such a
huge reward, it has taken many years of experience to be able to pick up
that phone, reach such an investor with whom I have enough of a
relationship with to get him to focus on what I am proposing to him, and
for him to work on it.  Many of these investors (you can read that as
"women" for analogy purposes) have so many other offerings in front of them
that getting them to look at yours is not so easy without knowing what you
are doing, and knowing them well enough.  So, to come back to the books, I
look at Advanced Macking and it has, for example, one technique they call
"The Boob Touch" which I found to be really great.  That one technique,
which I had never seen anywhere else, would be worth the price of the whole
book to me.  Now, it may not be a technique you particularly like, but if
you can get one really good piece from something, I think that has value
(and if it helps you to score with even one woman you were really attracted
to, what is that worth?).  While I am not really familiar with Wayne Ross's
stuff, I have found bits and pieces of good ideas in Ron Louis & David
Copeland's How to Succeed With Women materials.  I think none of these
products has truly solved the enigma that is how to succeed with all women
and give you the best possible strategies for all situations, but there
isn't anything out there that I have seen that has completely solved the
puzzle. So you have to pick up an idea here, an idea there, and put your
own act together.


Dwayne (
(Commenting on "Steph (Commenting on Dwayne)  I get the impression that you
look like Brad Pitt.  Because closing a good-looking WAITRESS who gets
complimented on her looks all day long...I
think you got lucky."):

Well, I don't look like Brad Pitt... maybe like Bad Shitt (harrrr ;^D !!!)
but seriously, there is more than just saying "you look beautiful."  There
is saying it with a certain warmth... a certain tonality... and feeling.

On the MindList we talked a lot about thoughtballs... sending mental packets
to a person psychically.  I also try to do this during moments like this.

I've noticed that when talking to a HB if I visualize the two of us making
love and "project" that into her eyes as we talk, she gets turned on
regardless of what we're talking about.


I found this killer book called Gigolos The Secret Lives of Men Who
Service Women, by Dane Taylor (1994).  This book is a series of interviews
with male escorts and a few clients. Man, there is some incredible insight
here!  Let me just transcribe an exerpt from an interview.

This is from a gigolo in Dallas who is 40 and started when he was 29:
What do you think the common assumption is about a woman who uses an
Oh, that she is about 55, kind of dumpy looking.  And that she's either a
widow or a woman who's husband doesn't have time for her.  Those are
almost all incorrect, from what I've seen. I found that the women tend to
just be regular people.  You know, some are hot, some aren't.  Some are
wealthy, some aren't.

Some are young?
Quite a few, which is not well known.  You frequently find girls who are
in their 20's, rather attractive, too.

Why are some of the women, especially the younger ones, choosing to use a
male escort?
I'm actually reluctant to ask them because I think it can be embarrassing
for them, but my personal feeling is that they have particularly high sex
drives.  That's what it boils down to.  And I don't think it's the case of
people saying, "Well, they want companionship."  I think that's all crap.
I think that the woman wants sex and that's the end of it.  You want
companionship, get a dog.  It's a lot cheaper.

Why would a woman who is young, attractive, has some money, and high
sexual need, why is she choosing to pay for it?  Why doesn't she just
cruise a bar and find a man and get it for free?
I think...they don't want to get involved.  They don't want entanglement.
She might have just gotten through a divorce or broken up a relationship.
Remember, it's just a business.  When your time is over, you go your
separate ways.

If she goes out and meets a guy in a bar, and they go home together and
have sex for the first time, as far as I'm concerned, any guy I know,
that's kind of a ticket to expect sex on every date after that.  And the
girl may not want that.  She may just want sex the first time.  She may
not want a relationship.  She may not want complications.  Paying for an
escort avoids all that.  It's easy, it's clean, and she's in charge.

What do you think makes a successful male escort?
You have to be able to perform well sexually.  Some guys will disagree
with me.  They'll say a sense of humor is most important, or being a good
conversationalist, or knowing how to act in a fine restaurant or
something.  But I think, plain and simple, these women are looking for
sex.  Their sexual demands come first and it stands to reason that the guy
has to be good sexually.

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One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo’s Double Your Dating» e-book.  David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" — which is "hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for several years now that I originally met through one of Ross’ Speed Seduction» seminars.  His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.

Ron Louis and David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes.

Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites that have been seen within this "seduction community". After seeing several terrible reviews and "flames" from, I decided to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal to anything I have seen in the past.  At any rate, I know you wanted a review.. and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his members area than I would expect to see from any other site.

Not only does this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee, but it stands alone and it’s program is unmatched. Right now they’re doing a Free Trial period, and I’d take advantage of this while you can. The site reads "Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women. From A – Z, you’ll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you’ll see why their members like this program so much.


Here’s another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past but I haven’t gone through the old emails to check. Do You Want To Know A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?

Advanced Macking has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.

This one also looked pretty interesting. Information on breakups and loving-styles.

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A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language to make others obey your command.

Arte’s New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman’s g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend – but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully.

Check this out.

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