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It’s quite another thing to act like who you say you are
10/2/01 2:39:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time


Not the lover but his language wins the lady.  -Japanese Proverb


Mark B.:
On the topic of confidence.
There so many posts on this newsletter that deal with the issue of
confidence and not knowing what to say to a woman or feeling extremely
nervous. Some suggest patterns, visualizing being 40 feet tall or some
other technique such as focusing on her voice and forgetting yourself. I
find that they key to confidence starts in the brain where our thought
patterns are able to effectively deal with the situation at hand in a clear
and easy manner. Ever have the feeling of things slowing down where you
feel sharp and everything seems clear, you can react quickly and know
exactly what to do? You feel a sense of confidence about yourself and you
almost lose perception of yourself. You are able to remember patterns, NLP,
dog tricks and know exactly what to do and say to a woman (I am not trying
to do a pattern here).  Well, it's not that the world slows down but that
your perception has speeded up, i.e. your brain is working faster. How do
you get your brain to work faster?  The right amount of constant glucose
entering your blood stream, gentlemen.  As glucose is the only fuel your
brain can use for energy. Too little glucose or a lack of constant supply
results in poor brain function hence nervousness or lack of clear thinking.
How do you get enough glucose in the right proportions? Before we answer
that question let's look at the mechanism of glucose formation in simple
terms. We eat a carbohydrate, it's digested and converted to glucose that
enters our blood stream. Too much glucose too soon causes a sharp spike in
insulin that removes quickly all excess glucose from your blood hence low
brain food levels hence lack of confidence and less clear thinking,
especially around a woman. What is the solution to help get a proper amount
at the right interval?  The biggest factor here is breakfast. The first
meal is critical because your stomach is empty from the night before and
what you eat in the morning sets the stage for how you will feel all day. I
found eating a bowl of oatmeal with 5-6 egg whites with one yolk and skim
milk with an apple keeps your blood sugar influx constantly because the
protein in the egg whites prevents you from digesting your oatmeal for
glucose too fast and too soon. Hence, all day a steady stream of blood
sugar entering your blood, more energy levels, feeling of relaxation and
confidence and more clear thinking. Eating only cereal without protein
causes a quick rises in blood sugar, quick removal and lack of brain food
all day and hence the nervous and muddied headed feeling.
When I eat a full protein and carb meal I feel relaxed all day. But I still
get slightly nervous around a woman when making an approach for the first
time but that feeling quickly goes away and is replaced with a strong
feeling of aggression and confidence. It's almost a feeling of excitement
and thrill of going up to her and talking rather than a trembling fear and
confusion. Same thing when you want digits, sex, a date, whatever -
aggression, thrill and confidence. When I only eat oatmeal without the
protein I feel sluggish, mentally slow, lethargic and nervous around people
in general and especially women. I feel like to need to be by myself in
order to discover what is wrong with me. The quick spike of glucose and the
removal of it causes you to think you need to remedy something about
yourself.  When I eat my protein as egg whites and a yolk in the morning
with my carbs in the form of oatmeal, I find that I am able to think
clearly and make fast judgements and I can quickly see flaws in people's
arguments and know how to properly respond with conviction. You feel 100
times more intelligent and sharp. It's a great feeling of power and
unstoppable confidence that you can go into any situation and be able to
deal with it with confidence. You feel unstoppable and aggressive -
definitely a great state when trying to get laid or do anything, for that
Remember - mix your protein with carbs in breakfast equals easy and steady
stream of brain fuel for confidence and ultimately more women. Don't take
my word for it but try it yourself and see.


Jones: In my experience with dealing with HB's in Russia, and Stockholm,
and of course the American HB's, I have concluded that there exists a
romantic or relationship "ecology" that is very much like any other ecology
in nature. What I mean to point out here is that an HB ain't going to want
to be with you unless she's getting something out of the deal.
Some guys pay for it in cash via either paying prostitutes, or simply being
a "sugar daddy" to women. Others use all the latest in seduction materials
and study, study, practice, practice, get better, practice, practice...
thus going in through that doorway.
The bottom line here is that I have concluded that the only woman who will
ever love a man just for being himself is his mama because he is a half-DNA
version of her. Any other chyck is going to want something in return, be it
money, or fun intense emotional highs, or whatever but there is a price to
be paid either way.
The only exception in this case would be the proverbial unattractive pig
who just desperately needs a man, which of course pigs should not apply to
this equation.

Cliff's Comments:  The problem here is that you really don't understand the
power that men have over women (and I am not telling you that I understand
it that well either, but I have seen it and I know without question that
the same power that you think they have over you -- especially when they
are hot looking -- you can have that over them).  And it is not something
that needs all kinds of study and only obtained through very special
language patterns -- it is mainly about your attitude.  When you see
yourself as the prize, not her, things start to change.  She's the lucky
one to go out with a guy like you, not the other way around.

Lately I have been following some of my friend David's ideas, one key one
is to set your rules and stick to them.  I tell them up front and in no
uncertain terms that I am very busy and don't have a lot of time.   I let
them know that I am looking for a friend and a lover and not a new set of
rules, regulations, restrictions and obligations.  All relationships have
to be built on honesty, trust and respect (which you keep feeding back to
them whenever they ask you questions you don't want to answer, like if you
are sleeping with other women) and that you give her her complete freedom
to do whatever she wants, as long as it falls within her own conscience and
that she treats you with honesty, trust & respect.  And that you expect the
same from her.  I tell them I will never lie to them but that doesn't mean
I am going to answer every question she asks either.   I look at couples
that meet and then spend every moment together and within two weeks of
meeting it is like they are joined at the hip - what they really are is
afraid of letting the other person have their own life and that if they
aren't around they don't feel secure enough with their own value that they
need to be there all the time or else maybe they will meet someone
else.  What do you think is more likely to still be going on -- a
friendship of someone you met and see whenever you see them (as any other
friend) or a couple like that?  It's not easy to have a truly mature
relationship but the foundation of that is a lot stronger than something
that is being propped up by fear.  And from my own experience, the
relationship I had with the last woman I did this with who had real
potential for me developed into something very powerful.


(Commenting on: (Commenting on: "MTL_PUA Always works. Stick your fist out
and say "Don't leave me hanging on this!" Let them knock your fist with
theirs. It's a sign of acceptance and creates an immediate bond. I have
used this with HB9/10's and it lowers their bitch shield fairly fast."):
Stephane said: I don't get it. Could you explain this further? Anything to
lower bitch shields.)

Your fist: ->
Her fist:
The action: ->
Just stick your fist out and knock hers. Works wonders.

Commenting on: "(Stephane’s comment:  ("Maturity is the balance between
courage and consideration. See, you can have the courage to express your
ideas and feelings to others, but if it's not BALANCED with a sincere
consideration for the ideas and feelings of others, then you are immature.
OR, you can be soooo considerate for the feelings of others, but not have
enough of a backbone to stand up to other people and really express
yourself. So to me, the key to being truly mature is to be constantly
striving for the balance between being considerate AND courageous."):

My friend, you are definitely a master. Last night, I went out with this 28
year old HB I sarged a week ago. Field tested this. I don’t think I have
ever seen a girl look at me in that way before. I could kiss you for
proposing this one. Seriously!

Commenting on: "(Stephane: (Commenting on (Follow your heart): You seem to
use this 'command' a lot, and your pattern (I didn't re-post it here
because it's so long) is extremely sophisticated and amazing. It's
definitely going into my bag of tricks, and I'm going to be sprinkling a
lot of "Follow your heart" into what I do from now on! Keep it up, bro."):

The reason why I like this pattern is because it's universal. It’s one of
those that you can use with any girl you meet or see for the second time.
When I see a woman for the second time (or feel that “connection” off the
bat), it means that I do have something interesting about me that she
likes; furthermore, they are typically reluctant to do anything too soon
because of the “Am I a slut if I do this?” factor. The pattern works great
because it dissociates emotions and logic. When I am having random convo
with a girl, I always state the fact that you have 2 types of people in the
world: Those who follow their heart and those who follow their head (I know
this can be argued by saying that some have a healthy mix of both but this
is not the issue here; typically this goes over without any argument). What
the above line does is that it subtly makes her automatically categorize
people this way. You then go into how people that follow their hearts are
the greatest thing since sliced bread, creating envy for being that type of
person. So by the time you go into the actual pattern:
1) She sees you as someone who follows your heart at all times (emotionally
inclined person)
2) She sees the value of being someone who follows her heart
3) She WANTS TO BE someone who follows her heart
4) Finally, you are giving her the chance to follow her heart
The pattern is just a way to validate everything you said prior to going
into it.

MTL_PUA in a new realization:
I have been reading up and thinking about groundwork & congruence a lot
lately, and finally managed to get something useful down on paper. Here is
something that I have now tested and figured out that this works for me.
Maybe someone else can benefit from it.
I recently met a girl at a lounge and when we were talking; I gave her my
“Born on a plane” line (I was born on a plane between Amsterdam and
Montreal, seriously!). Then I lead the conversation onto wild/exciting
things she did in life. Popped out a few routines about being an
adventurous type guy, relating to an adventurous girl. I then proceeded to
take her hand, lead her to a couch. As she sat down, I spotted 2 more
girls, so I went over to see them and asked them to join us; now I am
working with a newly-formed 3 set, as well as the competition factor. The
lounge has a body-shot contest, and I enter. Little do I know I have to
provide the body … hehehe … I get on the bar, some women lick salt & lemon
off me, and I go back to the couch afterwards. The three girls are talking
together and I move in on my target (the original chyck I was with), and in
front of the 2 other girls, I just tongue her down. Period.
At the end of the night, I was at her place and I asked her what I did for
her to want me so bad (I ask this a lot as a follow up). Her response was
one that completely changed the way I PU women. She said that women get
approached all the time (duh!), and guys will say just about anything to
get them into bed. She had personally experienced guys lying on the
“adventurous” bit just to impress her. She had pizza boys presenting
themselves as investment bankers; the works really. What mesmerized me were
her next words: “It’s one thing to present yourself as someone but quite
another to act like who you say you are.”

Thinking back, if she would have told me she was a shy girl, I think I
still would have done the body-shot competition, but probably would not
have been able to sleep with her because my groundwork would have been
different, hence completely losing congruence in the matter.
I have adapted my sarging tactics to reflect her words. I now (for the most
part) base all of my future actions on the groundwork that I laid out, and
THAT has proven to be the BEST THING that I could ever incorporate in to my
So how does congruence fit into this? Well, showing people how you are
after you have told them (subtly or otherwise) will validate what you said.
It’s basically proof, and that is where I have gone wrong in certain
situations. I did all the groundwork, but I did not follow-up on it.
I am now at the stage where I am trying to make this into an automatic
thing. Talk, then show.

MTL_PUA commenting on Stephanie and her thoughts:
Here is my take on your comments. Although I do agree with you that
manipulation is quite different from deception, I don’t agree with you that
most people on this list don’t get this concept.
Here is the thing: Most people in the seduction arena are NOT naturals.
They are NOT people  who just happen to be good with women. A lot of the
stuff posted on this list and other places is really just advice that you
have to incorporate into your character. I don’t think that we just go out
and blurt out patterns for shits and giggles. It’s a way to take a woman
through an emotional experience. I don’t just fuck ‘em and dump ‘em. I give
them what they want and take them on a journey of fulfillment. I can also
guarantee you that if you ever were to come across me even once in your
life, you would definitely feel SOMETHING that would push you to get to
know me better, just because I am completely comfortable with myself. You
incorporate PU into your style, and not your style into PU.
The whole “fake it ‘till you make it” is unfortunately something all of us
go through in the transition from sucking with women to actually making
them feel attraction for us.
For women this is quite different. An interesting experiment was done a few
months ago where a woman went up to 100 men and asked them to sleep with
her. 87% said yes. A guy doing the same got a close ratio of 12%. That says
a lot. Women have the upper hand, and use it to their advantage to get what
they want (don’t tell me you never flirted with a traffic cop or something
like that). The people in this community are just tipping the scale in
their favor; it may seem “mischievous” and “manipulative” and “deceptive”,
but then again it’s easy to feel that way when you have the upper hand. Try
being on the losing end for a few years and see if you would not do
ANYTHING in your power to get what you want out of your sexual life. Then
we can debate the issue properly. All is fair in love and war.


(Commenting on: Mark’s dialogue "HBB: "Mark, you are just using me for sex.
Where is this thing going between between us?"
Me: "What do you mean where is it going. Let's talk about something else?"
HBB: "No , I need to know because if it's just sex then I am going out
there and if I meet someone else I will go out with him and the fucking
stops then"
Me: "If that is the case then I will now stop the car and you are getting
out right now on the street and you can go to see the movie on your own and
I am done with you"
HBB: - dumbfounded look on her face "You would not do that would you?"
Me: "You will continue fucking me as long as I want to and accept the
situation for how it is. You have it really good with me. No one else can
fuck you like I can so relax and calm down"):

If this is how you treat women, you’re only going to attract low
self-esteemers.  How about enjoying each other’s company?  Making women
feel good, feels good.

My last GF once asked me if I was using her.  I responded with, “OF COURSE
I am!!  I am using you for sex.  I am using you for companionship.  I am
using you for the incredible times that we have together.  And you are
using me, too!”  That reframed her nicely.

I can appreciate an experimental attitude, though.

Commenting on ("Not stating your view makes you look weak. Forcing your
view on others by repeatedly trying to get them to agree and by not backing
off is too onerous and pushes people away. Stating your opinion counter to
what people think while respecting theirs by not trying to change their
view garners you most respect."):

I agree.  You should state your opinion, and not try to force it on
others.  But there’s another word for chronic Mismatchers in NLP:
ASSHOLE.  If you think that you need to be an asshole to get laid, you are
dead wrong.  Maturity = the ability to state your opinions BALANCED with
the respect for other people’s opinions.  By that definition, YOU only have
the ability to state your own beliefs, and seem to have need to show
respect for the feelings/opinions of others.  Bad Karma for you otherwise.

Commenting on: ("Babes, especially hot ones are so used to guys falling
over them and agreeing that when you as a real guy come along and have the
balls to stand up to them they cannot help but desire you for they perceive
you as a real man."):

AMEN to that!  Last night I was talking to this HB9.5 at the bus stop and
was getting really strong DDB.  But I got lazy.  She stated an opinion
about parenting techniques that made absolutely no sense and I didn’t
bother to challenge her on it, partly because my GF was walking toward
us.  I just said, “Yeah, I agree” and to my astonishment she actually got
up and walked away from me without saying anything!  She was really young,
like 17.  But I knew as soon as I opened my mouth that agreeing with her
was going to be a mistake.  I definitely should’ve challenged her, but at
the same time, it’s not like I was going to close a 17 year-old girl anyway…

You’re on the right track with all this talk about stating your own
opinions, and not trying to get her to agree.  But you are in my opinion
being hurtful and disrespectful to these women, and I am going to call you
on it!  If I ever meet your GF I believe I will be able to steal her so
fast from you it’ll make your head swim.  And I wouldn’t be surprised to
see her out shopping for a new BF as we speak.


Dwacon (
Responding to Mark B.: ("Me: "If that is the case then I will now stop the
car and you are getting
out right now on the street and you can go to see the movie on your own and
I am done with you."
HBB: - dumbfounded look on her face "You would not do that would you?"):
HEE HEEE HEEEE HARRRR !!!!! I just love that stuff.
I had this HB at the gym who was giving me this same shite and I basically
told her toodle-ooo. Her behavior changed quicker than Sybill.

(Commenting on: After we went back to my place but it was that time of the
month so all we did was just get each other off with our hands."):

Huh??? That time of the month is not a showstopper for me. It just adds a
extra flavour... and more lube for the pumping. I like to use it to paint
myself like a wild Aborigine or something.
But that's just my opinion... I could be wrong.

Franky the Tux:
I recently met this girl at a club where I have been taking dancing lessons
(a great way to meet girls by the way). She has a boyfriend that she dated
for a year and then broke up with him
and then just got back together with him. I didn't have any intentions for
her but for the fun of it I practiced some of the things I learned on this
list (being cocky/funny, using neg hits, etc.). Last week she volunteered
her email address to me so we could 'keep in touch'. I wrote her a quick
email and this is the reply I got: (my comments in [ ]):

Hi Xxxxx,
How's it going? I do apologize for not emailing you back right
away. I am sorry I didn't get to say goodbye to you on Wednesday night [at
the club] either. I ended up leaving in sort of a rush. Kevin [her
borfriend] was getting on my nerves so we left. I would have liked to do
the night club two step [dance we learned] with you too, but you weren't
there when it started and Kevin beat you to it. He wanted to show his
buddy Brian what it was. I think you and I would have done a better job at
showing him what it looked like simply because Kevin hasn't been to the
as much as us. Oh well. Hey let me know when they do the two step lessons
I will try and be there for you when that comes around. I did tell Brian
that I would do that with him once, but he never came around for it so
hopefully he won't the next time around either. I tell you the night I met
you I thought I was gonna wind up watching the show since there were so
many females and only one male
[without dance partners]. You certainly had your choice that night! Glad
it was me. :-) I probably would have quit going for those lessons
otherwise assuming it would be like that every Wednesday night. I would
personally like to take the intermediate west coast lessons. I would like
Kevin to do them with me, but I can't count on him to be there every
Wednesday night plus he is going to be gone most of this month anyway. We
do most of our dancing together, but I like to get around the dance floor
if you know what I mean. :-) (not in a dirty way). Well listen it is
getting late and I have to be up early in the morning for work.
See you later,

Bros, this is full of good information. Her borefriend gets on her nerves,
she can't count on him to be there when she wants him, and he's going to
gone for a month! I have decided to actively sarge this girl so I need
your advice. What should I do next? How do I create even more interest in
me (I'm assuming that there is some interest in me already), and how do I
break down any resistance to her exploring her feelings for me while her
borefriend is away?


How to get a girl to go from neutral to uncomfortable to feeling relief and
This is excellent in the cocky-funny attitude that Sisonpyh is very good at
describing. What works for me is the following. When I’m in conversation with
a girl I steer it to a subject that is trivial. I get her to give me her
opinion about it without she knowing my opinion. Now, if you do this right you
picked up a subject that you know she dislikes and she thinks you dislike it,
too. So she probably will say her opinion very firm without reserves. At this
point you tell her the exact opposite in a way that isn’t really your opinion
but makes her think you don’t have a choice. You then shut up and
WAIT(crucial) for her reaction. At this point she is uncomfortable… and then
wait a little more with a serious look on your face but then a big grin comes
out and you say: just kidding!!  Let me give an example:
We were in front of her door and she was looking for her key in her bag. I was
just looking around a bit and this junk or bum is passing by (she lives in a
VERY bad neighbourhood).  She sees me looking at him and she says something
like: why can’t they just shoot all junks. So I keep quiet and look her right
in the eyes and tell her. My brother is a junk and lives on the street. WAIT
FOR REACTION  She goes completely red and says something like she doesn’t mean
it.  WAIT BEFORE YOU SAY SOMETHING I laugh and tell her: KIDDING!!! Haha.
all relieved and happy now and I make my move ;-). Now this works for alot of
situations. Make sure you do it with a bit of drama.


David Johnson ( NLP & SS):
Went to Brighton this weekend to do some sarging
- and boy did I learn alot! Lots of girls and great
weather added to the generally good vibe I was
getting. The first girl sarged was on the train with
me. She wasn't much to look at but I decided to give
it a 'go' and practice. I talked alot about feelings
and did a great deal more self-pointing and away
pointing than I have previously. She actually gave me
a great segue into IC/feeling comfortable pattern by
talking about her business partners being more of
'acquaintances' than actually good friends. She left it
open, so I pounced! (I am definitely becoming more
aware of these opportunities when they become
available). I paid alot more attention to her body
language» which was closed at first (arms crossed) and
then slowly more open and comfortable. (I am not
saying this is a general rule for body language», but
just the vibe I was getting). The conversation went
pretty well, but her stop was before mine so she had
to leave saying 'oh shoot, I have to leave now', with
a slight longing in her voice. A good start to the
Once I got there, I basically opened by asking a lot
of questions on directions and things to see & do in
Brighton. At first I was getting a few cold shoulders
from the women, so I tried a different tactic.
Instead of saying
'Can you tell me where I'd find a good bed &
breakfast?' - I said 'If you were me, where would you

go in town for a good b & b?' - AND then I cocked my
head to calibrate that she would also be feeling a
little quizzical (thanks RJ). I feel this did two
1) Created a situation where she had to go inside and
give a decent answer because she was suddenly in my
shoes (felt a personal responsibility in the answer
she was giving),
2) Achieved decent rapport with one sentence.
And you know what? I got alot more genuine responses
from it.
I have also been practicing smiling alot more - when
they are talking, when asking questions and during the
general conversation. I cannot believe how quickly
someone will mirror you because of it! 'Mental note'
- re: smile more.
AND I have been keeping a Sarging journal as well.
Most people were generally friendly and got some good
rapport with women, but none I was interested in. I
have been discussing 'feelings' more than usual and it
seems to cause them to double-take because they are
not used to being asked about that.
On Saturday, I hit 'Borders' bookstore. Lots of young
pretty girls, but none that I was interested in. I walked
around a few times and suddenly found someone worth
pursuing. Sitting on the ground, reading a book on
'Soul Mates' (I didn't know the subject of the book at
the time) was a gorgeous brown haired girl. I quickly
started chatting to her and we found out we had alot
in common, too much maybe - almost scary.
Now hear this: I don't believe in fate or anything
that limited. I use it because I know that chicks dig
it. That is all. But this girl/situation was
starting to convince even me. But back to the story.
We were both looking at the same 'type' of books and
started talking. I quickly Kino'ed her and teased her
a little bit and she Kino'ed me back.
Things were starting to look good, Mr. Simpson, very
I then began discussing soul mates/connections and
BANG, she went into a DDB trance like I have never
seen before. I mean, I was staring right into her
eyes, unbelievably focused, talking - I was
embarrassed at how intently she was looking back! And
guess what? I didn't know what to do. I froze and
looked away,  and changed the subject. There was a window
of opportunity there - opened just enough for me to
get thru, but I felt a draft and closed it!
She fell out of the trance when people started walking
by and saying 'hi' to her. I realized that I needed
to get her back into it and quickly. We then started
discussing a particular author and found out we had
both read the same book. Now, this in itself might
not seem much, but the topic was 'Shaman mystics' (and
so the coincidences kept piling up), a rather obscure
and not widely read topic, I supposed. At this point
I had been sitting on a bench, face to face, while she
sat on the floor. I purposely moved to sit beside
her, telling her my back was sore and needed to lean
against the books. She smiled, but sort of moved
away. I quickly thought back to what RJ said and
moved back also. I was obviously in her personal
space. It didn't seem to get her comfortable though,
not sure why.
We then started discussing TV and other things. We
both discovered that our favourite show was 'Buffy'.
Now I was starting to feel a bit weird. I told her
that I had to leave because I couldn't believe what
she was telling me (in a fun and joking manner). I
said, 'I know this sounds cheesy - you sitting here
reading about soul mates, but this is getting too
strange for words.' I started to get pretty
passionate about the coincidences and we both laughed.
Her friend then came over and broke the trance again.

At this point, I was very unsure what to do. I felt
that if I asked for a number or email at this
particular instant, I would have gained nothing
because her 'state' had changed so much. I figured I
should try to trance her again. Suddenly another
friend (whom she had been waiting for) came by and she
had to leave. I wished to good luck and told her it
was nice meeting her (God, I am such a wuss!). She
said, in true female 'Fate' form, 'maybe I will see
you again' (this meant to me that she believed that if
it was REALLY MEANT TO BE, we would meet again.)
Well, she left and I was sitting in the silence of my
own stupidity. I picked myself up and walked out the
store. She called again to me saying 'See you David.'
I left feeling somewhat dejected, thinking that even
in the end I should have gone up and said 'Listen, if
you are not with someone that makes you feel totally
fulfilled, maybe we owe it to ourselves to get
together later.' But I didn't.
I was pissed off with myself because I had the perfect
IC/SOUL MATE pattern fall into my lap - and yet I
didn't do enough with it. Live and learn.
I then sat down outside the mall and started chatting
with another girl and used the 'Soul Mates' experience
to my advantage - or so I thought. I told her that I
thought I had met my soul mate, but let her get away.
Even as I was saying it, I realized I set myself up
for a fall. I ruined any chance before I even began
because I was talking about a connection that had
NOTHING TO DO WITH HER! I should have 'quoted' it
using a friend that had experienced it instead of me.
Another lesson learned.
On the way back to the B & B, I stopped a beautiful
girl name Mekayla from Sweden and chatted about the
safety of the city and asked her 'if you were me,
where would you go tonight?' hehe. She told me and we
chatted for about 10 minutes. I could see she was
getting anxious to leave because she had groceries, so
I offered to help her back with them saying 'I feel I
owe you something because you helped me out'. She
declined and we went our separate ways. I thought I
might see her later.
Out on my last night in Brighton. I met up with a
couple of friendly guys on my way to a pub. They
asked if I wanted to come along and hang out. I
agreed. Now, these guys were wasted, but one in
particular was a pure PUA. He made no excuses when it
came to talking to chicks and why he was talking to
them. Every chick that came in the bar, he stopped
and chatted with. And guess what? 80% of them were
responsive (and 70% of them were not much to look at
either). I was chatting occasionally to a girl that I
fancied and he turned to me and said 'hey, if you
didn't talk to them they might think you are gay - so
what they hell?' What a great attitude towards
sarging. He was a pure PUA to me - but along with
that, he had other immediate problems that was
abundantly apparent: he was a major bigot, a
coke-head, & had an unchanging black/white narrow myopic
view of the world. If that is the price for being a
alpha PUA, I don't wanna be one.
Well, when he started to espouse his views of the
world to me, I felt this was the best time to exit. I
thanked the guys and went my own way.
Overall a great weekend, lots of learning - but still
problems closing. I know alot of the problem is fear
of rejection - but that is something I REALLY need to
get past. I need to find the window and go for it.

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Ron Louis and David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes.

Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites that have been seen within this "seduction community". After seeing several terrible reviews and "flames" from, I decided to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal to anything I have seen in the past.  At any rate, I know you wanted a review.. and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his members area than I would expect to see from any other site.

Not only does this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee, but it stands alone and it’s program is unmatched. Right now they’re doing a Free Trial period, and I’d take advantage of this while you can. The site reads "Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women. From A – Z, you’ll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you’ll see why their members like this program so much.


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Advanced Macking has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.

This one also looked pretty interesting. Information on breakups and loving-styles.

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A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language to make others obey your command.

Arte’s New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman’s g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend – but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully.

Check this out.

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