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I’m going to take you right there in front of everybody on the counter
10/12/01 5:43:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time


The David Seminar:
Inquiries keep coming in and we are looking for a good turnout for the
seminar which is just over a month away. There will be tapes and/or videos
available after and other products are being contemplated. He has already
booked some appointments for private counselling and I hope to post
commentaries from the persons being counselled here shortly.
David's complete system to find, meet, attract, close and keep women is
very original and you will be reading more about it here.
The best defense is a strong attack
All women are sluts, except for two; your mother and your sister
Rule Number One: Don't listen to what they say
There are only two kinds of people on this planet, those who suck dick and
those who don't

Among the topics David will discuss and present his views on will be:
- Confidence
- How to really get back your ex or to attract that one special girl
- How to pick up strippers
- How to create, manage and keep a "stable" of women simultaneously
- How to have threesomes and multiples
- How to overcome resistance when you are about to close the deal
- How he uses language (he has many unique ideas that you won't learn
through NLP or anywhere else)
- The importance of setting your rules and sticking to them
- How honesty, trust and respect are your golden keys (this is the reframe
to beat all reframes)
and much more. David will also spend time giving his ideas about how to
solve your individual issues.
This seminar will be held in Montreal on November 16-18, 2001. Cost is $500
U.S. with a $200 U.S. deposit to hold your place (seating is limited and a
sell out is expected). For additional information, email me.


Update: Mystery is now in Los Angeles and will conduct his MM workshop
beginning Wednesday, Oct 10th. Those in LA wishing to participate late may
email him at mys***[email protected]***.com[ ? ]. More info on the workshop is
available at Craig and Sindrome K will
also attend to reveal their secrets. In-field location information and limo
meeting place will be made available only to paying attendees.


(Commenting on: "Glengarry: Here are two questions for the group, I'm really
curious about what you guys think:
1)What does it mean to be a master of seduction; how would you know if you
were a master?"):

I think that you are a master seducer when you can get many different
'types' to sleep with you. I used to be really good with virgins and girls
looking for Prince Charming. I was a master of THAT domain.
But you're a true master of seduction when you can fuck virgins, strippers,
older women, younger women, rich, poor, educated, uneducated, black,
Chinese, white, and of course, BEAUTIFUL women is the true test.
On Saturday, I was out and managed to get the following girls to kiss me:
1)My ex from 4 months ago
2)two lesbians
3)an ugly blond gave me a BJ in the women's bathroom (but I got kicked out!)
4)a beautiful, married 40 year-old
If my girlfriend could see me now : )
Now, for ME, these results are just fucking astounding. Because 8 months
ago, I would have been too intimidated by the lesbian couple, and would
have never CONSIDERED the married 40-year old, cause she was really hot and
MARRIED. And I wouldn't have had the BALLS to tell that chyck who asked me
where the restroom was that "I'm not your servant. If I lead you to the
bathroom, then I'm going to take you right there in front of everybody on
the counter."
But I would have managed to kiss my ex, though : )
So the answer is CHOICE. The ability to attract a wide range of women.


(Commenting on: "In any event, it's a must read for those interested in
what we discuss here on Cliff's List. Read the entire table of contents
first, which has excellent summaries of each chapter... then turn to page
149 and read the purple section first... I personally think that the book
should have started with this section. Scroll down to the bottom and click
the link to Amazon and order it."):

I liked the book. I think it can also be dangerous because it relies on
seduction fiction from the 15th century onward for much of its inspiration;
and that fiction always involves men engaging in long, drawn out, month
after month "creeping up" on a target.
In other words, improperly applied, the seduction becomes a very clever
The book suggests timetables (months and months) that are not realistic for
today's world. I also did enjoy the summaries at the end of each chapter;
The Laws of Seduction.


Fellas, what is paramount in dealing with females and HB's in particular is
total confidence, 'power of the self' as is sometimes said.
One of the most powerful ways of total confidence is self-talk. I will try
to inform you of some important and powerful aspects of self talk, and why
many persons do not use self-talk efficiently.
1) Using the word "Don't"
A lot of males, when trying to use self talk, says a phrase like 'Don't
think of nervousness when talking to females'
USE THE WORD DON'T! The word "don't" isn't fully recognized by the brain.
In many psychological studies, tests prove that that phrase would actually
be telling your mind directly think of nervousness when talking to
females'. I prefer to say that it's not outrightly telling the mind
that...but masking the message of 'Think of nervousness when talking to
females.' Not using the word "don't", will greatly help the effect of self
2) Not speaking in the ongoing tense
'I am going to feel entirely confident when I talk to any HB'
know previously, some persons claim that this is an ideal use of self talk;
but why not use what I call the "ongoing tense", which is much more
powerful. Why not say a phrase like 'Damn, I've already seduced at least 10
HB's this week...nothing can stop me from seducing at least 3 more by
say 'who is the guy trying to fool?' he hasn't already seduced at least 10
HB's! The secret is...when you say this phrase...say it with utmost
meaning..and actually believe what you are is best to say it out
loud. Say it in a half-cocky manner to yourself as though another chick
would be nothing to seduce. After a while of saying this to your mind, your
brain is going to say 'I guess he has seduced 10 HB's after all then.' If
you really say it with UTMOST meaning then you're definitely going to feel
a change in your demeanor towards HB'S and females in general.
Tip 1) Experiment with music
Music is one of the most amazing and powerful methods of auditory
communication. It influences the mind on the conscious and subconscious
level just as easily. Try experimenting making up your own songs with
phrases said using the 'ongoing tense.' Sing them all the time to yourself.
I've used music more than once to embed self talk and it produces amazing
Whatever auditory form of communication you prefer, try to embed self talk
into it. If poems are your passion, experiment embedding self talk into
poems. Whatever is your passion, embed as well.


Alpha Male»:
As a preliminary, if there is anyone in India who wants to contact me...
email to: alp***[email protected]***.com[ ? ]
And for all you experienced PUA, boy, seducing an Indian is like trying to
get blood out of a stone.
What you need to be sure of is that the women you are hitting on are
socialized in an occidental setting. If you try one of the locals, they'll
look at you like you are from Mars. Anyone follow what I am saying?
It's just that Indian women need a little different treatment...and if you
live in one of the big cities, all the better...the women go to college and
are brought up in a *Western* atmosphere. I think a lot of how the way SS
works is dependant on socialization of the target...Sisonpyh's method works
better generally, as it focuses on universal traits of
attraction. Any comments?

(Commenting on: "Descartes: Try integrating the little sister into your
relationship...maybe you can talk with the younger sister towards her
dating/sexual...and gently steer things towards a triple."):

Well the point is, my LTR is not in town, she works
elsewhere, I should have told you this. So the
threesome thingy is not really happening, but maybe
when she is here I can try it...should get started on
working the lil' sis into my talks with LTR!

(Commenting on: "Stephane: You say you ran four
patterns. How far apart were pattern
by itself and then another one the next day probably
won't cut it if...there's 'loyalty to sister' issues
going on....You should also play on the fact that
sisters argue and have jealousies and resentments and
all that... You need to lay it on thick and take care
of any beliefs that she has surrounding 'doing the
sister's BF' topic... a lot of booze will help too...
the best frame to put around this is gonna be to go
for...the 3some and label it as a spiritual experiment
or some other nonsense!"):

I take your point on the patterns, we went out last
night to get some coffee and I ran 5 patterns, wham,
bam, thank you mam...have you seen this pattern this
ALPHAHOT1 guy posted on ASF, it is awesome, it is
called "The Eliminator: The K.O.Script/Pattern".
Anyway, like I said, last night was good, another thing I did was
anchor a lot of her negative emotions about life to
her ex-boyfriend so we got that out of the way...and
all the excitement and happiness that she had tonite
to I came close, some pretty heavy
necking...then she had to get home...I know, I should
have closed. As for the booze, I feel kinda awkward doing
that...never no the reaction next morning. I've had
all the crazies, from "what happened last night" to
you "drugged me", so I have a couple of drinks and
then go sarging! As for the threesome, same comments
as above, but will work on conditioning the elder sister.

(Commenting on: "Mark B: Good going, my man. I am glad
that you are not constrained by the generally accepted
rules of misery...know whether you are man enough to
strongly assert your view and make the experience
positive for her...finally got them over the edge was
saying something along the lines of what I wanted and
thought was appropriate and acceptable under the
circumstances...offers further resistance you can say
"You know, you are young still but I feel our level of
attraction is so great that if we were to make love to
each other it would be one of the best experiences you
could ever imagine."uncertainty, fear etc. This will
not obviously work all the time but it will allow her
a greater freedom from many self imposed constraints
and better connect that freedom to act with you...if
she says "You are my sister's BF/that is cheating/I
feel guilty/I want a LTR," you can say "It's perfectly
fine for you to want to sleep with me and go through
with it actually. You can let go of your general
concerns. I believe that you and I would greatly enjoy
the experience of fucking each other." Good luck and
keep me posted."):

Thanks, man...yeah, it will be so worth it. The only
problem is that I have stopped all my other sarges
just to perfect this one, I think I run the risk of
seeming too needy. Breaking this guilt in her head is
the key, so I kinda did what you had suggested and it
did bring out a good reaction...meeting her
tonite....let's see..I'm ready!


Franky the Tux:
I been trying to catch up reading some old posts and I came across one from
SWINGGcat where he sarged a brunette at Barnes & Noble (You bring out the bad
girl in me). It was such a great illustration of SS in a real world situation
it got me wondering if you could do a special section of these "beginning to
end" encounters so that newbies like myself can see how the patterns and other
techniques are used within the framework of a PU.
OK. Now for an update on the girl I mentioned in my last post. (Ross meets
David!) We met for dinner. I did some fluff talk and mentioned how my last
relationship ended followed by how she didn't seem to be the person I thought
she was when I first met her. I used this to flow into a modified BF destroyer
pattern. She then told me she was thinking about breaking up with her BF.
More fluff and then I brought up the subject of connections and asked her if
she ever felt an incredible connection with someone she had recently met. She
surprised me because she said no. That threw me a little bit but I went ahead
with the pattern describing it as my experience. (If any of you guys have
suggestion on how to handle this, let me know.) After some more fluff talk, I
used the Discovery Channel pattern and talked about how people like to feel
excitement and adventure while knowing that they're safe. (I wish I knew how
to anchor that to me, so if you have any suggestions let me know.). She is
up Saturday day but we have plans to get together and do something in the
evening. My goal is to at least kiss close. I'll keep you posted.
Also if anyone is the Jacksonville, FL area and would like to team up, please
let me know (my email address is Win***[email protected]***.com[ ? ]). If they are an
experienced PUA I would be happy to work as a wing provided they impart
their knowledge and wisdom.


(Commenting on: "There are a few things here. First, there is definitely an
embedded SOI
in this line. You are directly telling her what you want out of..."):
What is "SOI"??


As you know, this is my first time to post to this list, so I hope you guys
can tear this apart; I've actually only heard the terms AFC, supplication,
SS, etc. two months ago. I've already come from getting nothing to about a
number each week, and I just went on a first date with the one I like best
so far. Here's how it went:
Showed up later than she did - then she looked so different (in a good way)
that I walked right past her. From the start she was all up in my personal
space GIVING ME kino; I made no attempt to hide checking her out.
Opened with "You look really good today... almost as good as me." Got the
typical response and followed with "No, you do; I really mean it"
Her: (with a smile) "I know you do, jerk."
I was in complete control the entire time; she was as defenseless as a
little bunny. I said let's do something and we did it. She even wanted my
permission to do the blessing before the meal. To top it off, I had her
smiling and/or laughing almost the entire time. I don't think I had a line
that didn't work on her; it's almost scary the kind of trouble she could
get in.
After the fourth or fifth time I suckered her into believing something
totally ridiculous:
Her: "That's it; I'm never going to believe anything you say again!"
Me: "Yes you will, you'll just hate yourself for it every time."
Her: (laugh)
I also made sure to give her plenty of compliments since I was busting her
balls so hard. It wasn't hard; she's beautiful and not dumb at all.
To top everything off, she was a cheap date (found out she's a vegetarian).
We had a good table and the date lasted about and hour before I ended it to
go work on my program.
I thanked her for coming and got the same in response. Then I said "Next
time, how 'bout I take you on a real date." It wasn't a question and she
went along effortlessly.
Did the touch, she initiated the hug, and I did the cheek kiss (which she
thanked me for) and then I casually strolled towards my car.
We have another date for this Sunday; Lebanese food (which she's never had)
and a movie.
I really haven't done any work on states or trance words; they're something
that's different for each girl, right?
Also, does anyone on this list 'specialize' in religious women; I seem to
have no trouble making a connection but then don't know where to draw the
line, sexually speaking. This girl is an interesting case because she
claims to be a virgin (I actually believe her: she won't go out on Fridays
because she has church Saturday morning ), but from day one I never turned
the sexuality off and she's stil
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