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You’re a stranger, why should I speak to you?”
11/3/01 10:03:55 AM Eastern Standard Time


Remember to remember to attend The David Seminar (Coming up soon!):
At the moment, we are not planning to take admissions at the door as we
need to plan out the number of attendees.  So please decide now if you are

Now you can pay through Paypal and this allows payments by credit
cards.  Just go to (the email address you need to use is
cli***f@cl***.com[ ? ]).

The seminar will be held November 16-18 here in Montreal and more
information is available by emailing me.  Cost is $500 US with a $200 US
deposit.  Early registrations are greatly encouraged.

David will be elaborating on his system to find, meet, attract, bed, and
keep women.  If you have been reading about David in these emails, you know
that his system is fresh and original, and truly effective.  His massive
success was based not on looks, but on having figured out how women think
and finding the right responses through trial and error.

Among the topics David will discuss and present his views on will be:
- Confidence
- How to really get back your ex or to attract that one special girl
- How to pick up strippers
- How to create, manage and keep a "stable" of women simultaneously
- How to have threesomes and multiples
- How to overcome resistance when you are about to close the deal
- How he uses language (he has many unique ideas that you won't learn
through NLP or anywhere else)
- The importance of setting your rules and sticking to them
- How honesty, trust and respect are your golden keys (this is the reframe
to beat all reframes)
and much more. David will also spend time giving his ideas about how to
solve your individual issues.


Ross: (Commenting on: "I think that compliments when a women feels like you
are on the same or higher level than her, or when she's already attracted
to you are great (particularly if you know which ones she will respond to
and how to deliver them). I think the problem is most guys seem like they
are trying when they compliment."):

The line and distinction between an "observation" and a compliment can be a
thin one, and a lot can depend on delivery.
The more attractive a woman tends to be, the more I aim towards
"observations", which are basically compliments with the emotion and charge
subtracted out. They are delivered with the same tone I'd tell her that her
shoe is untied and they tend to be unusual and things that she hasn't heard
before. It's as much a test of how she responds as it is about anything else.
I also mix challenges in, as in, " don't know me...but I'm
wondering if you're confident enough to accept an honest compliment...."
I always follow this with a comment/observation about how they carry
themselves or how they move, never about their actual physical appearance.

(Commenting on: "I think you need to address the bigger issue of getting
them to want you to call them. It's easy to get a phone number. If you
think you are PUA because you get lots of phone numbers, you are sadly
fooling yourself."):

Very wise words. View the phone number as a punctuation mark. It might be a might be a might be a PERIOD.

(Commenting on: "One phone number of a girl that really wants me to call,
and who I can continue the seduction on that call is worth ten that don't
want to see me, but gave me their number for one reason or another."):

Bingo. Well said. This guy knows his stuff.

(Commenting on: "There are lots of reasons a girl might give you her real
number (thinks you're harmless, is too nice to say no, figures you won't
call, is never home...) To carry this further, you could be blowing it on
the call because you don't have your state right. I consider from Intro to
first planned meeting of first kiss to be attract phase. A number close is
really only an opportunity for an extension of the attract phase."):

And, in fact, it might just get in the way. Rather than ask for a number, I
want to elicit HER process for continuing..what if her process is to go
home with you and bang you silly? Do you really want to ask for a phone number?

(Commenting on: "If at least 30% of the women don't seem genuinely excited
that you called, you bet your attract phase is the problem."):

At least. And in Bucky's case, no insult intended, it is the energy through
which he is conveying what he is doing. He still HAS to win. The paradox is
that will only push women away.

(Commenting on: Also, does anyone have any good responses for when chicks
say, "I don't give out my #." I've heard that one a few times in the past
couple of weeks and haven't been able to overcome it yet. Thanks.):
Once again, if you get this (a lot) it is a good indication that your
attract phase wasn't as strong as it should have been. That said there are
lots of answers to this one. Search ASF archives and you'll find lots of
counters to overcome this well known objection."):

Try laughing out loud. Then say, "C'mon...I know that you're sharp enough
to at the very least give out your number to someone you know you really
want to be with and if you were that attracted to me, that is what would
happen. Maybe you ought to give yourself a little bit more of a chance to
decide who you find attractive instead of being stuck with these kind of
snap judgements".
Then walk away. If she seeks you out, you're in.  If not, you were toast

(Commenting on: "Now in the evening we teenagers were having our own dance
party when this HB7 (the 17 year old)comes up to me and puts a bag in front
of me. The conversation followed:
Me: (I wait for one second then look surprisedly into her eyes) Hey, what's
this for?
HB7: Well, don't you have any decency or chivalry? What does a girl mean
when she does his?. Take this to
Me: (I laugh as if some big joke is on) hehe .. Decency and chivalry
 me? You've got to be kidding. No way, you ain't my sister and you
ain't my gf. It's your thing do it yourself. Then I walked out of the room
calmly leaving her fuming and fretting. Next time I see her she says 'You
are so baad ...' I put on a really amused expression and say 'SO?' and all
my cousins nearby break out laughing. (Thanks, Sisonpyh, for the bratty
sister frame, which I consciously remembered.))":

Uh...maybe the fact that it works on TEENAGE GIRLS ought to tell you about
its usefulness on the grown-ups, or at least those who aren't grown ups
running around with a teenager's maturity level.


Tony B.:
Hey all, I just wanted to drop a quick line to let you all know about a
great new addition to our community.
After the recent downfall of the old chat channel #pua on Dalnet, there has
been a replacement designed with the same topic matter. After many years in
the #sargy channel on EFNet and then a changeover to #pua on Dalnet, the
new great place to chat up with some other members of the seduction
community is #sargy on Dalnet.
It's very fortunate that we have several members in the.speed-»
that are dedicated to keeping the live chat alive, and several of the
people look forward to seeing you there.


José de Freitas (Commenting on: "Sergio:
I want to know about natural penis enlargement exercises. I've read about
some on the Internet and I am sick of being 'average' all my life! Has
anyone done them and got them to work (I haven't!) and have any hints or
tips for little
('average') Sergio?"):

There are a number of exercises that will enlarge your penis naturally; but
they take time. It is quite likely you won't see any results before at least
3-4 months have passed. They are totally natural and risk free exercises,
based on the fact that part of "size" is due to the elasticity of your
penis' skin, and that under the rush of blood that accompanies an erection,
size depends in part on how much your penis can expand under the pressure.
One of the most useful books I have found regarding exercises like that is
"The Tao of Sex and Love" by Jolan Chang. Perhaps Cliff can add a link to
this book through Amazon.

Cliff's Comment:  Just link to using the addy below and search
for the book there.

José de Freitas Continues:  In addition to these exercises to increase size it
has a lot of other very useful advice, on exercises to increase your potency
and "staying power", ejaculation control procedures, etc... as well as
general exercises from the Taoist tradition, such as deep breathing, self
massage, stress relieving techniques and relaxation exercises.
As in all other things, if you don't put in the work to practice the
exercises you won't get any result out of it. Also, unless you are really
small, I really don't think size matters that much. I have met few women who
had a thing for size, and most I have met dislike "big". Technique and the
ability to stay hard for a long time are a better focus for your efforts.
Check out the following books, How to Satisfy a Woman Every Time... (not an
excellent book, but the one technique described is well worth the price of
the book) and How to Make Love All Night, an excellent book, focused on how
to achieve multiple orgasm for men.


Matthew A.:  (Commenting on:  "THE UNKNOWN! (Not reviewed) HYPNO-TECH
Here's another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past but I
haven't gone through the old emails to check. "Do you Want To Know A
Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman
Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?;):

It's been about a week now that I have been going through the material.
There is not a great deal of information. Most of it I have been exposed to
before: Magick, Hypnosis, NLP, Remote Viewing, Psychic Seduction. His name
is Dr. Robert Jacobs. He calls himself Dr. Mojo. I believe he is familiar
with Ross's material, he makes vague references to him, and to Tom V., and
some of the direct languaging in his material is the same as what I have
learned from Speed Seduction».
For $79, I really can't say it was worth it. That's not to say I haven't
learned anything from it, a tidbit here and there, but for the most part,
the knowledge he presents is universal.
He gives you a few audios. One is a confidence builder that directs you
towards having an aggressive attitude in dealing with women. When you see a
woman you want to approach, you can hear the sound of a tiger roar, and you
look at her as "lunch." It maybe useful for the beginner, but IMHO, it is
unsophisticated in general. The other audio is a crash course on hypnosis,
and I have not listened to it.
The one aspect he does include that I have not seen elsewhere is using the
language of the seducer in writing letters or e-mails. Again, the formulas
are similar to what Ross puts out, but still, it's another example to refer to.
His knowledge of Magick is useful. I have been using Magick for a few years
now. A few exercises I have used with success. As far as Magick goes. It is
very powerful, and it should not be used without care (my note.)
He has an e-group, and over the past few weeks, it has provided nothing for
me. There is a large focus on society's influence, and the list is
unmoderated, so it can go in any direction. All in all, I'd say the
material is good for someone who is just learning all about this
technology, but in NO way, is this the one and only. Ross still KICKS ASS!


(Commenting on: "Mark B.: On the topic of assuming a negative outcome. Over
the weekend I read a book called the Positive Power of Negative Thinking by
Julie Norem."):
Yeah from reading this very self introspective post by Mark I have a
similar confession to make. First, I think thinking can be better seen in
view of something I read from  This
differentiates between positive thinkers and positive focusers which rings
out very true for me as I'm a natural procrastinator and I like to do
things under pressure.   But some time ago when I tried to 'think positive
' and go in for goals and after girls, things just didn't work out at all
(affirmations never worked for me, at least) but when I tell myself
mentally to fuck it and get on with the job I usually do better.  One of
the most inspiring quotes I heard before ASF and this list was from a
friend on approaching HB's: Go out there and say "hi" to them anyway cuz if
you don't then somebody else will do it and you will be left ruing the
chance.  By not acting you will never get the girl, so why not approach and
try since you aren't gonna lose anything.  This line made me let go of
thinking positively but instead helped me to go ahead and just do
it!  Similar to Mystery's advice on Slaying the Dragon and the AWARE state
which I now find better and more clearer.
Just my two cents worth.
And a question:  Often on ASF and elsewhere, I read about many stories
which I have found are culturally not that suited for Indians like me.  So
how should I go about creating some stories like these which may also
involve time distortion besides the usual heavy sexual stuff? And after
I've made these, how should one phase shift or segue into this?  I mean up
till this I generally am talking about things she finds exciting or about
some convo topic like social dynamics, so then how do I get into this
storytelling?  Feels kinda funny when I tried it twice before a few days
back.  I don't know but I find it easier to get them into playing the
questions game, etc. rather than this.  Any ideas?


Kerry F.:
Here is something I tried for jokes, and I have found it to be a very humorous
way to cause a HB to think of sex.  The only prerequisite is that you have
her in a fun, playful state or she is the type of person who can take a
joke.  At there are some dirty
jokes that can have
embedded commands added.    Just an example of these (I had sooo much fun
telling these to some girls at work):

I go in hard.
I come out soft.
You blow me hard.
answer: bubble gum

I have a stiff shaft.
My tip penetrates.
I come with a quiver.
answer: arrow

I'm spread before I'm eaten.
Your tongue gets me off.
People sometimes lick my nuts.
answer: peanut butter

Any way you get the idea, and these little jokes force a person to think of
sex, and
allow for the use of embeds.  It's very childish, but tons of fun.


(Commenting on:  "By assuming a high likelihood of negative outcome
but having hope for a positive one, defensive pessimists are able
to deal with their anxiety and nervousness."):

I don't want people to 'deal' with being nervous, I want them
to go completely AROUND it.  Because it's not necessary to be nervous.
I often fix guys nervousness by finding the trigger for it (it's usually
out of awareness for them) and I do things to AMPLIFY the feeling until
the brain goes POP!  Blows it out of proportion, so to speak.

This technique is known as the Compulsion Blowout in NLP, and works
really well on shy guys.  You make the problem larger than life until
they go,"This is ridiculous!"  It's not the only thing I do, but it is
similar to what you are talking about.  The reason that the pessimists
are able to deal is because they AMPLIFY their pessimism until it
becomes just stupid.  My way is just faster and more thorough.

One time I did a 'swish pattern' on a shy guy and that was all it took.
The trigger for his shyness was that he saw a still image of a nasty
facial expression on an HB's face.  I had him take that image and put
text in the center of it.  It said,"ISN'T THIS IS STUPID!"  ~LOL~
This is what I built the swish with and it really worked, because
he was now laughing AND seeing the image that scared

For those of you still struggling with that knot in your gut, if you
want to get over it, and you find yourself in Montreal....look me up.
I only charge by the change, so if I can't fix it I don't get paid.
But bring your money (just in case) because I usually succeed!  I've been
doing this for a long time.

(Commenting on: "So guys, do send in your opinions and constructive
criticisms especially with regard to the last HB8eyes.
How could I have improved it?"):
You said that during the wedding you had her in a strong
should have closed her right then and there.  There is a theme among
SS'ers and that is they make everything more complicated than it needs
to be.  Sometimes I think you can learn too much too soon, and it is
overwhelming.  So you start second guessing yourself and analyzing
too much.  Keep it simple!  If you've got DDB, then just go for it!

(Commenting on: "Their tip to wave to girls is priceless. Just wave to
them anytime anywhere. You'll be amazed with the response."):

It works!  Either they will talk to you or they won't.  My guess is that
most of them WILL, because when you wave to them congruently, the automatic
responses take over, kind of like a handshake.  Thanks for the tip!

(Commenting on: "Another great advice is to put shoe trees into your shoes."):

What's a shoe tree?  To make yourself look taller?  If so, that's pretty
pathetic, just like penis enlargement.

Cliff's Comment:  Shoe trees are like wooden dummy feet that you insert in
your shoes when you aren't wearing them.  This is supposed to maintain
their form.


Mark B.:
(Commenting on; "(Commenting on: "Mark B: They also suggest complementing a
within a short time of meeting her to show your romantic interest -
something that has always worked for me no matter how much others suggest
that it's wrong to do."):
I think that compliments when a women feels like you are on the same or
higher level than her, or when she's already attracted to you are great
(particularly if you know which ones she will respond to and how to deliver
them). I think the problem is most guys seem like they are trying when they
compliment. If I were teaching you to play basketball, I would tell you to
square up for every shot. If you were to ask Michael Jordan if you should
square up for every shot, he'd probably say yes. If you watch him play,
it's clear he doesn't need to square up for every shot. If Kobe Bryant asks
MJ if he should square up for every shot, I bet his answer would differ a
lot from what he told you.")

Comments on all of the above.
In his book, How to Succeed with Women by Anthony Baladamenti, he talks about
irresistible men and how they affect women. (I highly recommend this book,
once again).  One of the key points he cites to being highly irresistible to a
woman is by being authentic in your action and words. This he suggests is a
sign of emotional openness and courage to reveal yourself which is what
women look for. In posts on David and his ideas, many of those who spoken to
him reveal that he has a way about him that puts you at ease where you know
that he is just being himself. David also suggests being honest and sincere
as well as being yourself. These are two highly credible sources that
suggest this and now I can see that this really works well. Why have a
hidden agenda and why come out from a place of fear when you can just be
honest and say and comment what is on your mind?
In my case I have done the best just by being myself and letting my thoughts
and intuitions come out naturally. I posted on this before in the summer. If
that means telling a woman she is beautiful then that is fine because this
is real for me and I truly mean it. If it was not and I said it then she
would take offence to it. So I think it comes down to sincerity and down
right honesty whether a women will accept that you comment on her looks. IN
my case it has always worked for me because when I do complement I truly
mean it and there is no hidden agenda on my part as I am very focused on how
people look and appear. On the other hand, when I either did not complement
her or held back what I wanted to say or do it rarely worked for me.

Pastor D. Zaster (   Well, had a great week of
socializing in Boston, Mass.  Despite the freezing temperatures and the
worry over the possibility of terrorism, we batted 1000 with every woman we
Back in Washington DC, I was invited to a party where it was like "Snobs R
Us." Granted, I was given the wrong cue on dress. The invitation said
"leather attire" so I wore leather pants, Harley-Davidson boots and a
muscle shirt (with leather jacket). Most people there were in suits and
ties. D-OHH!!!
So it wouldn't be a total loss, I figured I'd try to wade through the
negative energy (which was so bad, people wouldn't even make eye contact).
If they accidentally looked in my direction, it was like a flashbulb went
off in their face, so quick they averted their gaze and walked away. And
the social smile they wore transformed to a George Romero zombie expression
as they passed by.
I figured I'd put on the "40 foot man" and approach the most gorgeous
woman... an HB15+++. I approached and started with a fluff opener. She
replied in a nasal tone reminiscent of the millionaire's wife on Gilligan's
Island, "You're a stranger, why should I speak to you?" Crash, explode,
burn... I replied, "Haven't you ever done something that seemed completely
opposite before?" She just replied, "You're a stranger, I don't know you"
as she turned her back and walked away.
Anyway... looking forward to my next trip to Boston...

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