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A salesman has to know when to close the deal
12/17/01 5:58:40 PM Eastern Standard Time


Here's your TIP for the day: clothing stores are BUMPIN' this week. Exploit
this fact by going ALONE to them to "shop". Open a 2 or 3 set (even if guys
are in the group) with, "Hi. (smile.) You know who you look like ...
shopping experts. For Christmas, my niece wants ... a pony. Which isle
should I start in for that?"

(Commenting on: "Secondly, here are a few interesting links (copied from
Mystery's Lounge - see below for info on how to get into Mystery's Lounge): - All the hacked porn you can download."):

Oooh, I got some more off my buddy SiN a few months ago. If you like "the
porn" then stuff your stocking with media from these URLs this holiday
season (LOL): (stands for Only The Best Movies);;;;;;;
Ho Ho Mo.

(Commenting on: GoneSavage:  Flying Dutchman's post on televised beach PU
and follow-up interview got me thinking. This seems like a great way for
PUA's to collaborate, get feedback, and perhaps create a PRODUCT. PUA #1
approaches a girl or a set of girls and spits his game. Probably he is
being filmed from a distance. At least he is microphoned so we know exactly
what he is saying. Well, favorable or not, close or not, he has results.
These results can be evaluated by the other PUA collaborators. "This is
where I would have gone kino..." "What if you has said this instead..." Get
it? But this is the fun part, the way I'm seeing things. The girl or group
then gets approached by a cameraman and an interviewer. Here we find out
what made PUA #1's approach favorable or not. "I just felt drawn to him..."
"He just wasn't tan..." all that. Great feedback for PUA #1. But the
interviewer, being a PUA himself, coupled with his social-authority front,
may decide to justify PUA #1 as a great catch, seduce the girl himself, or
at least lead the interview into highly sexual questions. Well, I will go
ahead and put the idea on the table because it's something I've really been
thinking about. If anyone wants to get together and hit Panama City Beach,
FL for Spring Break March 18-24, let's do it. It'd be one thing to get some
PUA's together on the beach, but another thing to DOCUMENT the event, which
is what I really want to do. Besides this one, most of my ideas are pretty
outrageous; it's like Girls Gone Wild meets Jackass meets BangBus or
something. We could get some of those kiss openers on video. The
edutainment possibilities are endless."):

Try getting CRAIG in on this. He is great fun to watch work. Track him
down. He's in L.A. but I bet he'd loved the vacation to the other coast.

(Commenting on: "Dwacon (Dwacon Entertainment presents: Hillary Clinton's
congressional striptease I have a friend who hosts
big events in the area, and he invited me to his latest party. I had VIP
access to the club which worked quite well in my favor. I walked in and
spotted three young women (20-somethings) and zeroed in on the cutest one.
Well, her friends got jealous and froze me out immediately, so I quickly
got her number and made plans to see her."):

Consider training yourself using GROUP THEORY. If you approach a 3set,
approaching THE ONE (formerly target) immediately will alienate the PEER
GROUP (formerly obstacles) every time. So you approach the GROUP and focus
on BEFRIENDING (formerly disarming) THE ONE's FRIENDS (formerly Ug's). When
you NEG THE ONE, you get the respect of her peers while lowering her
self-confidence. From THAT position, you can get permission to 1:1 her and
you are free to work your magic.

(Commenting on: "I went over to the bar where I saw a lovely young lady
trying to get the bartender's attention. I whispered to her, while doing
some kino "the bartender is gay. He must be, how could any man not want to
gaze at a beauty like you." Got her number like within 2 minutes."):

I'm curious. What would I rate her? What she a 9+ or a "regular" girl?

(Commenting on: "Later, as the evening progressed, it became more and more
icy and the HB I worked on for about a half hour said, "You know, if I
weren't already married, you would have had a great chance with me." D-OHH
!!! Forgot to check the finger."):

Anything over 25 minutes I force close and move on. As for the ring, I've
been there, man. I try to check more. OR, learn sleight of hand with coins.
Ask to see her ring and "toss" it into the air and have it vanish. Then you
can say, "You are single now." (Be sure to return her ring to her but tell
her to put it in her pocket because you FEEL a lot of STRESS on it).

(Commenting on: "Speaking of which, I started getting the finger from the
women I tried to approach and figured I'd cut my losses and quit while I'm
ahead. The liquid nitrogen was flowing freely... to the point where one HB
said, "We can't talk to you, I'm waiting for my friend's husband to come
out of the bathroom"):

You are learning that approaching girls 1:1 is (respectfully) cowardly. I
would WAIT for a 1:1 situ to change to a GROUP situ (it ALWAYS does ...
women alone are only ALONE for a brief time like when their friends get
them a drink). Wait for the GROUP to condensate and THEN ~~~POOF!~~~
(appear before the group). You solve a LOT of problems this way.
BTW, why would they say they can't talk to you? Was it because you were a
MAN and they KNEW you were hitting on them? You revealed your INTEREST ...
they KNEW why you were there. Read up on MM technique because there are
MANY solutions already available to your (quite likely) RECURRING problems.
Easily solved stuff though.

(Commenting on: "...although her friend had no ring on and the bathroom was
on the exact opposite side of the building. I got to get out of Washington
DC... beating this snobbery is like swimming up stream. Sure, you
occasionally get to spawn... but the effort nearly kills you."):

Bro ... you are laying pity on yourself. "Let go of your outcome."

(Commenting on: "She then asks me if I mind a woman who is very religious.
I tell her the truth: that I don't so long as she respects my religious and
spiritual beliefs and doesn't try to convert me. Then she tells me that all
the qualities I have enumerated describe her perfectly. At that point I
realized that she had come to the conclusion that I was Prince Charming and
so I decided I had to make things REALLY clear before making any move to
close. I then make my last conditions clear to her. I do something similar
to Riker's brilliant 3 rules..."):

Could someone please forward RIKER'S 3 RULES to me at
mag***n@ho***.com[ ? ]. Thanks!


Michael:  (Commenting on: "Tristan: So the lessons I want to point out in
this sarge is that when woman tells you she is deeply religious it doesn't
necessarily mean that she won't have sex before marriage and won't
understand your desire to keep it casual.
Another point I want to make is that it is REALLY important to make it
absolutely clear BEFORE you make the closing move what she should expect."):

I agree, it's not ALWAYS the case, however, in my personal experience, it
usually is.  How do you guys go about the ones that *are* very religious and
do want to wait until marriage for sex?  Three of the last four or five
attempted pickups of mine have pretty much had this type of personality.
What was working, for me and to a point, was like Tristan said, laying down
exactly what's going to happen as well as to not tell them not to follow
their own beliefs or try to change them.  Instead, what I found worked best
was to just offer your view on the things they have such strong opinions on.
I find that most of the girls will be surprised that you're not judging or
trying to change their opinions and will actually try to lure you to do so!
When I see this I just tell them something like: "Most people will try to
argue that their point of view on something is the one and only correct one.
However, I think that I've found the maturity to go beyond my own line of
thinking and see that there's not necessarily only one way to go about
things."  You definitely win some "points" in her eyes after she's heard
that.  But back to my original question, how do you guys go about seducing
the very religious, "wait until marriage" type of girl?


Dwacon (Star Trek's "T'Pol" Naked? Dwacon® Entertainment's Sci-Fi News I had it explained to me like this:

Washington DC is the center of power.  Many women are attracted to and
turned on by power.  But, at the same time, they are typically made to feel
powerless.  Their response to this is to empower themselves by dressing up
as beautiful as they can, then shooting down every guy that tries to
approach them.

This explanation kinda makes sense to me... but then the question is how to
overcome this.

I can do quite well when I've got a woman's attention and she is willing to
listen... have even melted a couple ice princesses.  The only time I saw a
good application of patterns and SOM flat-out fail was when I tried to
sarge this female cop who said she specialized in interrogations (counter
mind control maybe?)

So, if you go to a club and you are getting those Sailor Moon style
ice-witch blasts... then how do you do an opener?

I did try the kiss technique the other night just for grins.  The woman was
taken aback, but softened quickly enough for me to get her engaged in
conversation... and the opportunity to trance her out.  I noticed, though,
that when I kissed her and she kinda stiffened a bit. The bouncers were
like on edge as if they were waiting for her to scream so they could toss
me out... good thing I had an opener that had her laughing right after the
kiss.  In the future, however... I may not repeat the kiss opener...

Anyway... any ideas on getting through the tripwires, past the claymores
and over the wall of ice?


(Commenting on that long-ass exchange between Mark and Ross:

You're both right.  Ross, you CAN elicit, evoke, anchor, and utilize states of
attraction.  That's why we're here -- we're all learning to do that.  And Mark
is right about the fact that if a broad thinks you're disgusting right off the
bat, you're probably NOT going home with her tonight! It ain't
worth the hassle!  It's possible to turn it around, and while SSers are
busy trying, I'll be fucking the women who WANT me.  There.  I just condensed
the whole discussion.

And if anybody wants my two cents, you need to be more confident than they are.
Do that and you won't need a system, you won't need an anchor, you won't need
formal training.  You need to trade in all of that shit for a sense of humor
and a dick, and be proud of your sense of humor and dick.  heheh.  I am finding
out now that it's alot easier than I ever thought...

(Commenting on: "Tristan: "I did her cube and we fluffed about various

Still using the cube, eh?  I want to do stats on this 'cube' thing.  I want
to know how many of you are using it, and what percentage of women actually
start to like you because of it.  Trist, it must be good if you're STILL
using it!

(Commenting on: "She asked me if I was bi sexual or homosexual
(many classical pianists are) and seemed very relieved when I said no."):

A woman would never even THINK to ask me this.  Don't be so afraid to turn on
your masculinity.  I know this comment probably stings a little bit, but if
a woman ever asked me if I was a homo, I'd have to prove her wrong!  I would
just grab her and kiss her.  "You think I could actually be a fag?"  What the
fuck could ever make you think that?!  Tristan, if you're not directly hitting
on her, then why are you talking to her? You have to be upfront with people.

(Commenting on: "So I take her to my place. We're sitting on the couch in
my living room. She had told me that she couldn't stay too long."):

"In that case, you better leave now cause I'm getting horny."

(Commenting on:"I took the opportunity to tell her that I was NOT the
marrying type, that I was not interested in anything exclusive and long
term with only one woman at this point in my life. Of course she said that
that would probably change if I met the right one. (And she pointed to
herself as she said this, I have to add!)"):

Where do you think Ross gets this stuff!  They've been doing it to US the
whole time.

(Commenting on:"So I'm thinking that even though she likes me alot, because
I'm intentionally telling her the things I know she won't be crazy about,
she'll figure out for herself that I might not be the one she's looking for."):

The only thing you're thinking is TOO MUCH!  You're gonna drive yourself crazy.
I read that sentence 30 fuckin' times and I still don't understand it!

(Commenting on:"She asks me what I look for in a woman. I tell her about
wanting a
passionate, highly sexual woman who knows what she wants and isn't afraid
to go for it."):

Now THAT I like : )

(Commenting on: "I figure that this is the best moment to be REALLY honest
with her."):

NOW is the best moment to be really honest with her.

(Commenting on:"I then make my last conditions clear to her. I do something
similar to
Riker's brilliant 3 rules but I emphasize something a little different. I
tell her (as I look into her eyes) that though I might be in a situation
where I want to passionately kiss a woman, I will only do so if I know she
is aware of who I am, and where I am at this point in my life, and that
because I respect her I would never lie and say that she is the only one I
care about only to have sex with her and never call her back."):

When I'M in a situation where I want to passionately kiss a woman, I
passionately kiss her.

You should be fucking her by the time you take her home.  Why did you take
her home?  A salesman has to know when to close the deal.  Alot of salesman
sell their products ten times before they realize it.

(Commenting on:"Anyways, she stopped at the bra, but it was no big deal.
She told me that
she wants to wait until the next time. My calibration tells me she's
sincere. In fact, she just called me from the subway to thank me for the
evening. She said that she didn't go all the way because she's always
believed that it's best not to skip the main course to get to the
dessert.  When I told her she was a hell of a kisser she said "you ain't
seen nothing yet!"):

Why did she stop at the bra, and why is that ok?  Why does she want to
wait? What does she need to know?  She's acting like you are
immortal.  What is she so afraid of?  Getting 'hurt'?  FUCKING DOESN'T
HURT!  In fact, it feels pretty damn good.

As the saying goes, they're all whores except your mother and your
sister.  Many of them can be bought.  Remember that.  If I offered her
10,000$, she would probably fuck me.  How about a million?  If she won't
fuck me, even for ten million dollars, then there's something wrong with
her anyway, because a fuck isn't that valuable.

(Commenting on:"Nevertheless, I'm ready to bet she'll be calling me
probably more than I would want and possibly expecting more than I want to
give right now. So I'm going to have to tread carefully with this one."):

Just do what you want to do, and no need to tread carefully.

(Commenting on:"Last funny thing about's sort of weird to have
a babe telling
me that Jesus loves me right at the same time she's sticking her tongue in
my mouth... maybe I SHOULD go to church more often..."):

She is telling you about Jesus because she doesn't want you to know the
truth that
she loves to suck cock and fantasizes about bad boys all day long...

Tristan!  I know I'm rough on you, but I don't bullshit people.  I'll buy you
a couple of beers next time I see you : )

The other day I told this sexy bitch bartender that she was turning me on.
You should have seen the LOOK on her face!  Especially when I maintained
eye contact
with a stupid grin on my face regardless of her 'approval'!  She said,
"OH! Lucky me! I'm getting hit on again by another crude ape!"

What would you have said in that situation?  Keep in mind that at this
point, I had 3
of her better-looking, physically stronger, and financially wealthier
laughing in my face!  What would you do?

I responded,"I'm not gonna sit here all day and try and dazzle you with my
looks OR
my brains!  All **I** have to offer YOU... IS A SENSE OF HUMOR AND A DICK!"
After that she was all mine.  I'm so much more confident than she is.  I
never flinched.

Then I let HER chase ME for the rest of the night.  I'll let her suck my
cock when I
want her to, and that's that.

I can laugh at MYSELF harder than anyone else EVER could.  After all, I'm
only one step
ahead of a monkey.  I'm a MAN.  Less hair, more thoughts.  If anyone steals
that quote I'm
suing you : )

Cliff's Comment:  Steph, you're getting a little carried away here... The
trick is to be direct but charming at the same time.  Being crude at the
beginning is not going to work with women who have class and
intelligence.  You can be just as forward and direct without being crass.

(Commenting on:"GameMaster:  Since 9/11...did you hear that the frequency
of sex is up like
3X since then? We have psychology on OUR side for a change!"):
It always has been on our side.  But it's nice, they need our strength more
than ever.
Tragedy is always followed by more need for human closeness.  If anyone
steals that quote
I'm gonna sue you!  The quotes are flying out of me tonight...


I wanted to follow up on the story about Miss Louisiana! I met her online
last week
and we spoke for the first time on Wednesday. I got her number and called her
up and use this line "Hello Cindy......well, I have the I have
the voice,
and sometimes the voice....can be just as intriguing as the face. Hi this
is GM".
They always say something like "Oh yeah"! We chatted for a while, laughed our
ass off about the whole online thing, and agreed to meet for drinks on
but before I let her go I installed my voice and linked it to the place
where she
see's "things of beauty". Trust me, I need all the help I can get.
Anyway, we were both going to Christmas parties and she had this killer
outfit on
with her tits popping out all over the place and I was in my tux and silk
vest. We
were chatting it up and I was getting her values and feeding them back to
her, then
I leaned in and said "Can I tell you something just between you and me
(leaned in
closer and whispered in her ear), have you ever met someone, and you had a
of that person in your mind...but then when you met them (sp) they were
even more
attractive than you expected? And there's quality you have that most people
see (backed away and waited for her response which was GIMMME!) "Well I don't
know if you realize this, but you have this amazing spiritual quality in
you, and I don't
mean in a religious sense,although that may be there as well. I'm talking
about something
you feel very deeply about, and it may not be something you think about
everyday but
you know it's there, in a very special place, and you draw strength and
comfort from
it, and it's obvious to me that this is something that is very important in
Well, that was about all she could take. From there it was kino city with
her rubbing my
vest, me doing the stealth cock rub on her knee up to her thighs. Cindy was
begging me to go to her party with her but I insisted I had to keep my
prior commitment
to my friend Vickie, who's husband was out of town! I told her "No, I
belong to Vickie
tonight...this will have to wait". We paid the check and walked out and she
took me
by the arm in that way when a southern woman does that you know she's in
the bag.
I took her keys and opened the door and just held her gaze for a moment and
"There's something I want you to remember". Then I pulled her to me and
kissed her
very gently at first but then two minutes later she was pinned up against
her SUV and
we were going at each other like a couple of rabid dogs! "Have fun at the
party, I gotta
go".....her reply "I live 5 minutes from here"! Needless to say, I didn't
fuck that up. What
a night...and this is looking like a keeper. Now what to do with the other
3 chicks I
was banging that I also met online? Cindy is in the lead position because
she lives 30
minutes away, therefore no pop-ins, and her office is 5 minutes from my
house therefore
'nooners' on a daily basis should be the natural cure for all that distance
: )
Cindy gave me a GREAT line the other nite while we were in the bar. She
took my hand
as if she was going to read my palm, studied it for a quiet moment and said
"See this line,
this is your love line....and it's pointing right at ME"! Izat beautiful or


Mark B.:
(Commenting on Ethereal:)  Your posts on signs are great. Do you have signs
for SWTF (stripper willing
to fuck)?

(Commenting on: "GameMaster: I've experimented with just about every
combination of ammo in
the arsenal and have learned, as most of the guys have, when it comes right
down to
seduction the rule is "the simpler the better".):

MB: At what point do patterns become so simple they are no longer patterns?
How about just talking about a blow job? How does just talking about one
make it any different from weaving it into some pattern?

(Commenting on: "Maxin:I have on many occasions slept with a woman who I
was not initially  interested in because she had a great attitude. I have
also had conversations with women who were very attractive on the outside
but who were so fucked up in their way of thinking that I decided there was
no way in hell I'd ever sleep with them... even once.
If you and "everyone you know" are focusing exclusively on the exterior
packaging, then you are in for some seriously bad relationships with women."):

MB: Me too. Sometimes I find that I will see a woman and not find her
attractive because I have not seen her full expressions or they way she
speaks that can make her more attractive. Once I see her smile or spend some
time and see her gestures, she can increase her attractiveness. The
opposite is also true. I dated women who where stunning only to be put off
by them being too controlling, too loud or too in your face. Hence physical can
attract but the personality holds.

My sister is 23 and an HB10. She has been with her current borefriend for
over 2 years. He has a 10 inch shlong but she has looked for more than just
that and complained about her being both the man and the women in the
relationship and always having to make all the important decisions in the
relationship. She met another guy by placing an Internet ad as a joke just
to see what happens. She went out with him once but then complained that he
was not her type as he revealed too much about himself although he has
money, a great car, looks, a business. She said that all the good things he
said about himself sounded too good to be true and the bad things were just
that, bad. But he did not know that and kept calling her everyday. Bad
right?????? Wrong - after a week of calling her twice per day and showing
interest she is saying "Mark, this guy is really interested in me," "This
guy seems to be lots of fun," "This guy is really open, I really like
that." This
weekend she left her borefriend of 2 years to be with this new guy. Wanting
to find out what turned her around she said "This guy makes me feel so
comfortable because he is just being himself, no games, he says what is on
his mind and does not care what is the outcome. I feel like I can be myself
as well. We even had phone sex already. He just asked me to put my hand
inside my pants and play with myself and I did. He takes charge and I do
not feel like I have to make all the decisions. For the first time in my
life I can breathe and feel like the pressure is off me." Make your own

On another note in my gym there is a guy who everyone would agree is not
the perfect specimen. He has a missing front tooth, a huge beer belly, long
unkempt hair, he is loud and obnoxious and wears dirty clothes. Yet he is a
friendly guy who seems totally unaware of himself and does not hold
anything back.  He is rough and callous but in an extremely confident way.
He has four girlfriends in various parts of Southern Ontario. He owns a car
repair shop and allows members of a biker gang to use it for their repairs.
One day the stripper girlfriend of gang member was there to watch him
repair a bike. With her boyfriend gone she kept on pressing her breasts
into his face while flirting. Fearing for his safety if he fooled around
with her he asked her what she thought she was doing. She responded "Don't
you like my breasts?" to which he said "You know I would fuck you so hard
that you would squeal but I cannot since you belong to my friend." He
called her boyfriend and
explained what she was doing. He came over shoved her against a wall and
told her to get a grip on herself. To this she suggested she brings him one
of her stripper friends for him to fuck. Next day she came by with a friend
and watched as he banged her brains out.  I take two things out of this.
The first is that his attitude does not make him physically appealing but
his level of confidence frees others to be just as confident and free with
him as he is with them. He looks like the type of
guy who no right thinking woman would look at yet he banged one of the
hottest strippers. Why? I believe it had to do with the biker stripper's
self esteem. What women would allow herself to be roughed up, beaten and
threatened and go back for more? One that probably feels she deserves a guy
with a missing tooth, huge belly, dirty clothes, etc. So his attitude freed
her and gave her confidence yet his physical shape was what appealed to her
in whatever way that may have been.

Cliff's Comment:  This only shows what most of us reading this know for a
fact, that your looks are not the crucial element -- your attitude
is.  Those who have met David know that here's a guy who is not good
looking yet you know almost instantly from talking with him that he has the
attitude that will draw the hottest women to him like flies on shit.

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Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using Personals for SexThe Guide contains the following Inside Secrets: Replying to ads – how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.   Placing ads – how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide contains a list of the best adult personals sites.

A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language to make others obey your command.

Arte’s New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman’s g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend – but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully.

Check this out.

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