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The jewel in the crown of shock openings, the crotch grab
12/26/01 1:43:29 PM Eastern Standard Time


Why should I be the only one wasting time looking at eye candy?


Maximillian Hell:  (Commenting on: "MB: At what point do patterns become so
simple they are no longer patterns? How about just talking about a blow
job? How does just talking about one make it any different from weaving it
into some pattern?"):

There are non-patterning techniques: quoting (» and
accelerators (on
Maniac's site). There is a brief example of quoting in the movie "Two Moon
Junction," which someone on ASF once recommended as a good PU movie. Of
course, if you are just talking about it, you don't have all the NLP
tricks: pacing and leading, future pacing, embeds,
etc. I guess it all depends on how much stock you put into NLP.


Stephane: (Commenting on Nathan, from private email:  I wonder if you could
share some of the techniques and processes that you use for overcoming
nervousness and shyness as these are
issues that I am having particular difficulty in resolving. I have started
learning about NLP and have read a lot about the swish pattern and the
Compulsion Blowout but I am unsure as to how to apply  it.
Do you think you could post descriptive information about how these can be
applied? I am very interested in this and although I have had success it is
fairly minimal."):

Shyness is easy to overcome when you realize that women really aren't
scary. That's all it is. You don't need a blowout & you don't need a swish.
I could describe or even do NLP with you to get you over your shyness, but
it's alot easier than you think.
Your problem of 'shyness' could be summed up like this: You think women are
scary. So step one for you is to say THAT instead of 'I'm shy'. Step 2 is
to realize they ain't scary. In fact, most of THEM are afraid of YOU!  To
get you to realize they ain't scary, try scaring THEM for
a while. That'll teach you! Try sneaking up on a woman and going "BOOO!!"
and scaring the pants off her!
If you don't want to do that, then at least have a little fun entertaining
yourself with such outlandish thoughts. It'll loosen you up.
Make a game out of it. Practice putting yourself in a good state (in other
words, relax, soften your eyes, and smile) and just LOOK at women. If you
just give yourself permission to look at women with a smile in your eye,
and don't look away when they notice you, it will teach you
exactly what you have been trying to learn your whole life: Most women are
extremely shy and insecure, so you don't have to be.

The thing with shyness is in getting the person to see the truth and to
realize that girls aren't scary. Think about it....if you actually just SIT
in a bar and LOOK at a girl, they get scared : )
Try it! Go to a bar, order a drink, and sit at the far end of the bar.
Doesn't matter what you look like, just sit there and put on a warm,
friendly smile, nothing spectacular, and LOOK AT THEM. When they (if they)
look at you back, just maintain your friendly smile and keep looking
at them. See how long it takes for them to look away in TOTAL SHYNESS!
You'll be amazed. It's THEM who are shy, not you!! That's the lesson that
you have to teach shy people.
If they return the friendly smile back and look open, I pounce. If they
look bitchy, forget it, and if they look at me with fear, I'll take that
too : ) Otherwise, I don't want her, because the only thing I'll be able to
do to her is fuck her, and I really DO want more than that.

(Commenting on Nathan's comment from private email: "I will be visiting
Montreal next year, so maybe we can catch up sometime and you can
demonstrate your techniques on myself to see
if we can get results."):

It's not a question of 'IF' with me. When someone comes in to see me for a
consultation, I never give up. If it takes one hour or 100 hours, you're
gonna sit down and you're gonna change (or die while I'm trying).
Especially for something as stupid as shyness! Send me your worst clients,
I dare all of you. Find the most shy person you can think of and bring him
to me. I'll get him talking to girls and having fun if it kills me. It
usually only takes me a couple of minutes anyway.
I'm good with shyness because it's so easy. You guys are thinking it's
hard, but it's one of the easiest things in the world to get over. So come.
This is how I advertise. I dare you to come in : ) heheh

(Commenting on: "Mark B.:"But being as hot as she is she has all the
trouble with men fulfilling her needs. So I talked to her for about 2 hours
about her unfulfilled needs and here is what she said."):

They need us more than we need them....

(Commenting on: "Mark B.: I need a guy who will take charge and make the
decisions, not tell me what to do but be more assertive in terms of what he
wants so that the pressure
is off me
- I need a guy who tells me what he wants rather than waits for me to
figure it out
- I need a guy who will focus just on me and not other women, I need to
feel special that way that I am the only one
- I need a guy that I can talk to and who will give me some direction and
advice as to what to do and where to go
- I need someone who will understand me and really listen to what I have to
- I need someone who likes to have sex and who can last and do oral as well
as every style
- My biggest complaint about men is they do not take enough leadership but
wait for me to do things
- I want a guy who can stand up to the world and follow his own lead rather
than be a door mat for others
So really it seems it does not take much."):
I wanna meat ur sis........anyone who knows THAT MUCH about me deserves to
meet me....

(Commenting on: "This is about keeping a woman, not getting one. I've been
thinking about this lately and here are my thoughts: For the women I date I
am like a drug. As a drug, I am
probably most like heroin; where as, I think most guys are more like
cigarettes or, even worse,
the nicotine patch."):

It's why we like're such a conceited bastard....what's not to
like? : )

(Commenting on: "I on the other hand do nice special things when she's
already happy (and
not when they are mad - I don't reward them for drama). In NLP speak, I get
her to a 9 on the 1-10 scale of making her feel special and happy, then I
do something that moves it to a 12. I'm an unbelievable high. Then I don't
see her for a while and I pick up other women or I don't
call her for a week... That is the low. This just makes the high that much
more desirable. They say heroin addicts spend the rest of their lives
trying to match their first high. The women spend their time trying to make
sure I will give them another high."):

You have it so figured out it's scary!


I've reached a point that I no longer think in terms of "techniques". Yes,
there are things that I happen to do with practically every women, since
I've learned from experience that it works, but I don't think of it as a
technique. It's like my learning to dance. I've learned many techniques and
I worked hard on my form, but on the dance floor there are no techniques.
You go with what you feel; the techniques are already integrated and have
become organic.

Cliff's Comment: I think you are absolutely right - every woman posts their
own unique challenges but there are a lot of similar elements and there are
some things that work consistently.  That sounds like a good direction for
a discussion - what do you do that you pretty much do with every woman you
desire that works on a consistent basis?


(Commenting on: "Mystery: A good opener so you can fall into these convo
threads would be good. The whole point of the opener is to start in on a
group and convey that you approached for the CHAT and nothing more. "Looks
like the party's over here. : ) I'm curious, have you seen the movie
Poltergeist? Do you think it was based on reality or all fiction?" You've
come to
entertain yourself. Not to pickup the girl... WHAT TIME IS IT is not an
opener. It's a Pick Up line. And, therefore ... so is THOMAS. Boy, can I

I think that any artificial opener is a pick up line. Actually, whatever
you say, I don't think that any girl would think that you just approached
for the "chat", unless you're a gay or just weird. They know *exactly* why
you are talking to them. I mean why the hell would anyone come to a club to
ask girl for her opinions about Poltergeist? Yeah right, "just to chat".  I
think the best way is to behave is like if you already know them. Girls
still would know *why* you approach them, but at least it's more natural
and creates this funny assumption that you already know each other. That
you're not a stranger with pretentious "openers". Just start talking as if
you would do it with your old friend or relative.  "So what's new?" The
answer can also instantly indicate if you are wasting your time or not.
Most girls will say "Not much" with different variations.
Some will then ask "What's new with you?" which means she accepts the game
and actually is willing to talk to you. It also shifts the whole situation
instantly: now SHE is actually asking you questions (she "approaches"
you).  Then you can lead the convo anywhere you want (I just came from
Amsterdam, I just watched Poltergeist again, etc.)  Some girls will say
"just chilling out/having fun/looking for my friend/bored," etc. which can
also help you develop the convo into desired direction.  Some will actually
start telling you what's new. She actually will allow you
into her world right away.  And some will let you understand that you are
wasting your time just by the way they say "not much" or "nothing". Fast
and easy. (BTW, more openers of this kind are welcome.)

Another great opener is actually your excellent suggestion of giving girls
a high-five. It's not only funny and assumes that you know each other, but
also assumes everything that high-five conveys (that you have a joint
"project", or have just agreed on something, or cracked a good joke, etc.)


Mark B.:
New boyfriend little sister update. She took the guy back after he kept
calling her back. Once again persistence and perseverance seems to have won
the day. This time he is not making the same mistakes and she feels better
about him.

Cliff's Comment: As for the perseverance and persistence, I think you have
to add in that how it is done is critical.  There are so many stories of
guys keeping after women and the women just trying to figure out how to get
rid of these guys (or being scared of them) that you cannot ignore that
element of it.

MB: I find when I eat Quaker Oats Oatmeal, the longer cooking one 10-15
minute cooking time I get the hardest and long lasting erections ever. I
feel like I can go and go and go forever on that stuff. There is something
highly potent in the stuff. Check it out. It's good for a great performance
and they keep coming back for more.

I strongly suggest a book called "The Complete Player, The Psychology of
Winning Hockey". Before you question the relevance of this book in this
section, let me explain. The book is not about techniques of playing the
game but more about the mental aspect of being successful. The more I read
the book the more parallels I began to see between having the proper mental
framework for being a great hockey player and being a great PUA and having
a great mental attitude for anything else that entails work and the
possibility of obstacles along the way. So much is written about techniques
and what to do but little is written about the mental side of being a PUA
except maybe for Ross' SS. For anyone with some intelligence you can easily
extrapolate what the author suggests from being a hockey player to being a
great PUA.
Here are some bits of info:
The importance of goal setting and how that can keep you on track and focus.
Techniques of visualization and mental imagery where you imagine yourself
scoring, i.e. getting a number, a date, fucking, etc. He suggests you
visualize yourself scoring 50 times per day, you can see yourself getting a
number, or a date 50 times per day.
How to stay relaxed and deal with nervousness
How to stay positive in the face of adversity
How to deal with droughts
The importance of always shooting no matter how may times you've missed
How to pump yourself up using key motivating words for yourself
How to deal with nervousness if you are an introvert or how to pump
yourself up if you are an extrovert
The importance of going for it and not holding back and how to do it well
How to prevent yourself from over or undergoing what it takes to succeed
The importance of mental practice and preparation. For a PUA this could
involve practising a walk-up with your friends or with a female friend and
then applying it to real life.

I strongly suggest you pick this up and then draw the parallels between the
world of sports and that of being a PUA. After all, scoring with HB's is
just like throwing a touchdown, hitting a home run or putting the puck in
the net.


(Commenting on: "Flying Dutchman's Panama Beach televised PU and follow-up
interview idea):

I don't think spring break cities/events are the best places for your taped
pickups. The girls at these places are attention hungry and love to tease,
they are not there for sex. Don't get fooled by MTV into thinking Panama
Beach during spring break is one long sex orgy. Also the sex ratio is like
5 to 1 in the men's favor. You do not have the element of surprise, girls
are hit on constantly, and expect it, although much of it is "hey baby, how
you doin" and "show me
your tits" so a PUA can make an impression, with the proper expert
approach. Panama Beach is full of AFC's, just check out
most of these guys have no clue how to pickup.
A high percentage of the girls at these spring break events seem to be
exhibitionists, or the atmosphere causes them to be more uninhibited. They
will pose for pictures with your arm around them, their tits exposed or
your tongue in their mouth, so if you want easy KINO, spring break can work.
My point is that you should look for more ordinary everyday beach
situations to film, not "events".

(Commenting on: "NightLight9:Kiss Openers This the opener where I just walk
up and kiss the girl with no verbals."):

Ahh, my favorite topic, -Aggressive openers- Ass grabbing, breast fondling,
the much discussed Kiss openers here on Cliff's list, and the jewel in the
crown of shock openings, the crotch grab. Total non-verbal Kino openers are
the mark of the beast, you gotta be demon possessed to try them, I have yet
to be exorcised of this demonic urge to grab those lovely young things. For
those who are scared of the tactic (the smart among you) you should use
some words before
or during the "hit" as this will make you appear less of a rapist.
You can fool around with Ross Jeffries crash and burn experiments, you can
have fun and test countless variants of the Mystery method», but never be
cavalier with Assman antics, be prepared to pacify the women you will
upset, it can be as simple as saying "sorry, I lost my balance, I was in a
car accident 2 days ago, and my knees are still wobbly" - this is best for
those who are most offended, deny that you grabbed her on purpose. For the
ones who are shocked but not angry, you can stay with the program, launch
into a hypno induction, an SS pattern, ask her if she believes in 'Mystic
Energy' emanating from her body with the power to heal (while waving your
hands around her ass, directing the flow of her aura) - as Mystery might
do, or be cocky and funny like Sisonpyh.
Doesn't much matter, just make sure you're prepared, never stand there
silently, take control and direct her emotions.
Someone asked who do these direct approaches work best on? Older, younger,
etc.? In my experience, you can never tell who it will work on, some go
ballistic, while some trance out on contact, you can't judge by age, or by
perceived character/personality or any other measure.  With aggressive kino
openers, be prepared to be surprised.
I was at a hotel this past weekend to sarge in the hotel bar, it was near
empty, but the ballroom was hosting a singles dance for older professionals
40-50 year olds (some even older), not my type, but yet some of these women
were well preserved and dressed to the nines. I decided to prey on the
little lambs milling about the corridors and lobby. I wasn't too
particular, my first and only, had a tired run down face, but large c cups
and smooth long legs propelled
me. She's about 5'6", I towered over her, rubbed her ass while my other
hand controlled her shoulder, my face was three inches from hers, I looked
intensely into her eyes, smiled and said, you're perrrrfect... you're mine,
I'm going to take you to the outer limits of cerebral
excitation, move you into states of satisfaction unknown, and
you the door to divine insights and lay on your head a crown of glory. -
Then I kissed this 40 something and led her to a booth in the bar, yapping
more B.S. all the way, there I indulged in a full course of kino, got her
e-mail and left for greener pastures. Sometimes, it's real easy.


Dwacon (Seasons Greetings -- hope at least some of you got to stuff a

Bounced Czech...
I was doing my usual routine at the gym where I noticed this HB... kind of
a blonde Julia Roberts... and found it surprisingly easy to converse with
her (given the typical standoffishness of the Washington DC crowd).  It
turns out she is from the Czech republic, not long in this country. We had
quite a long chat which culminated in my getting her phone number.
So, we make a date to see a movie and have dinner. Well, we got to the
theatre early so had a sandwich at a nearby stand. There I did some
connection patterns and time distortion and she seemed to be taking it all
well. She kept bringing the conversation over to sex... how her parents
gave her condoms at 14 and encouraged her to experiment with her boyfriends
(remind me to make travel plans to Czechoslovakia). Anyway, we got to the
theatre and she sat down next to me and shivered. I put an arm around her
and she pulled away and said, "You are a player and a seducer!"
I wasn't quite sure how to react to that... so my gut instinct was to put
on the hurt puppy dog look and she got all apologetic and said, "Sorry that
was mean of me to say that... in my home country, the women go after the
men. The men are not aggressive." Later, she put her leg up against mine
and her shoulder against mine. At this point, I'm lost, not sure what my
next move should be.
Anyway, the movie is playing and she reaches over and puts a gummy bear in
my mouth. I do the same. We're watching the movie, sharing a soda, taking
turns sipping through the straw... and I'm thinking okay, maybe this was
only a test... but did I pass?
Later, we're she decides she's tired and cancels our original dinner plan.
We're talking and she says she was hurt by the breakup of her last
relationship and wants to take things slowly. So I reply, I understand...
and five months from now, when we're totally comfortable with each other,
you'll feel so safe and connected with me... and at that point you'll look
back at tonight as being the start of it all. Her reply, "Why do you try to
sell yourself so hard?"
D-OHH !!!
Obviously, my SS is backfiring. Or maybe her brain translating my English
into her native Czech caused the patterns to lose their punch?
The evening ended without so much as a kiss or a handshake... and she told
me she was discussing me with her gurlfriend so I imagine that this date
will be treated like the hashbrowns at the Waffle House.... scattered,
smothered, splattered, eviscerated, sub-atomically dissected and fried
beyond recognition.
I think maybe I'll hold off calling her and just wait to see her at the
gym... then fly by the seat of my pants depending on how she presents when
I see her. This was a strange one, fellas. I think I need a drink...

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