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1/29/02 8:47:56 AM Eastern Standard Time


Seminar list (feel free to send in your schedule for inclusion here):
Ross Jeffries' ( Seminar Schedule for 2002 is as
Chicago May 3, 4 & 5
Atlanta July 12, 13, & 14
Montreal August 9, 10 & 11
Palo Alto, Calif. Sept. 13, 14, & 15
He will also be giving his Magick/Psychic Influence Seminars in:
Orlando, Florida March 29, 30, & 31
New York June 7,8, & 9

Major Mark's ( seminar schedule for 2002 will include:
Feb 22-24 Atlanta -- Advanced Hypnosis: Bringing Deep Trance Resources
Into Conscious Control
Mar 8-12 Bangkok -- Performance Hypnosis: Basic and Advanced
Stage/Public Techniques
May 17-19 Lake Tahoe -- An Introduction To Hypnosis And Influence
Jul 26-28 Montreal -- The Essential Marknosis: Expositions, Exercises,
Inductions and The Alphabet Of Desire
Oct 18-20 Austin -- Build A Better Lover: Conditioning For Enhanced
Emotional And Sexual Responsiveness

Mystery is conducting Sex Magic Workshops in New York City and Los Angeles.
Mystery has added three more workshops in NYC and one in San Francisco.
NYC workshop 1: Feb 1 2 3
NYC workshop 2: Feb 5 6 7
*NEW* NYC workshop 3: Feb 8 9 10
*NEW* NYC workshop 4: Feb 12 13 14
*NEW* NYC workshop 5: Feb 15 16 17
Los Angeles workshop Feb 28, Mar 1 & 2
*NEW* San Francisco workshop Mar 7, 8 & 9
Reserve your spot now (only 6 positions available per workshop) by emailing
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Clifford:  In addition to these locations, Mystery is planning to hold his
workshops in
Fort Lauderdale/Miami, Orlando, Las Vegas, Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver,
Philadelphia, Dallas, Boise, New Orleans, Sydney (Australia), Glasgow
(Scotland), Chicago, Amsterdam & London (England).

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Here's what is written about the Montreal Seminar by Major Mark
The Essential Marknosis: Expositions, Exercises, Inductions and The
Alphabet Of Desire
July 26-28 Montreal
Montreal is different. Because it's become glaringly obvious to me over the
years that the primary struggle for most Seekers is NOT to master the arcane
lore of the Masters, whomever they may be, but to instead increase the
amount of time that we spend being Aware. It turns out it's not necessary
to practice the esoteric disciplines designed to induce psychotic breaks in
foreign cultures -- we've got plenty of utilizable stuff right here! The
trick is to become Aware while going about YOUR life -- not to Wake Up only
in some therapy room, dojo or drum circle. To become Aware in real life,
and then stay that way.

So Montreal is about bringing Awareness disciplines into your "everyday"
life. Better even than The Revealed Secrets Of The Ancient Oriental
Masters, Marknosis is a set of mindsets, exercises and practices that I've
proven to work for a broad swath of modern students -- folks from all levels
in life who want clarity of thought, emotional balance and physical health
as a predicate to effective action. Imagine facing opportunities and
challenges, with your full set of skills and resources at your command.
Now, imagine further that the reason you're rested, relaxed and ready is
that you've trained to be that. Now. Imagine that your whole life works
this way!

Coming from me, you can expect lots of hypnotic conditioning combined with
my signature take-home easy to understand/hard to do exercises. The Goal is
to become the sort of person who, when encountering opportunity, is in the
moment and perfectly placed to take advantage of it. At that point, the
exercise of influence becomes absurdly simple. Even the one-eyed man can be
King amongst the Blind.


>Toecutter: And guess what? You will never get complimented on your looks.
Only by your mothers and girl-friends. And you can't believe them anyway,
right? The best looking guy in the world doesn't get complimented.

Dean: I have to disagree with this. I know many guys, myself included, that
have received compliments from women related to their looks.  Compliments I
have received from women include :
"You're so handsome"
"You're really hot"
"You look good enough to eat"
"You're soooo cool"
"I want to fuck you"
And not one of these compliments has been from my
mother or girlfriends.
Good looking guys DO get complimented.

Clifford: I don't think you can count on this as a reliable method of
having success with women.  Looks open the door but you can easily get it
shut if you don't follow up in an appealing manner.


>Kit: Michael Tyson, maniac, nice guy Proving the nice guy image deal once
again...(who gets kissed?) The news conference began when Tyson, wearing
all black, including a leather hat, was introduced first. He strode on
stage at the Hudson Theater and then stared in the direction of where Lewis
was supposed to appear. When the champion walked out, Tyson quickly walked
toward him. A Lewis bodyguard pushed Tyson and then touched him again.
Tyson threw a left hook and a Lewis bodyguard went down, although it wasn't
clear if Tyson connected. Lewis threw an overhand right that apparently
glanced off the top of Tyson's head and left a cut at his hairline. The two
fighters then rolled briefly on the stage, which suddenly was filled with
jumping, falling bodies and flying fists. Lewis promoter Gary Shaw said he
was also hit several times.
WBC president Jose Sulaiman was knocked unconscious in the fight when he
hit his head on a table. He was treated at a hospital for a concussion
before being released. ``Today's events are but one of the very many
instances that have recently taken place that degrade boxing,'' Sulaiman
said. ``It would be discriminatory to single out Mike Tyson because many
other boxers have behaved similarly at other press conferences.'' After
things quieted down, Tyson walked to the front of the stage, and thrust his
arms in the air in triumph, then grabbed his crotch. Someone shouted, ``Put
him in a straitjacket.'' Tyson then gestured at the man and cursed him.
Tyson left the theater without answering questions. Instead, he strolled
around the block and stopped to sign autographs. A few women kissed him.
>Kit: Ha

Ciz: Let's consider Tyson the prototypical model for the PUA getting
falsely accused/convicted for rape. The article also said, part not written
here, that LVMP was set to submit another rape complaint to the Clark
County Attorney for review. Now, this is a guy who has women lining up to
kiss him. He banged his hot psychiatrist (female) who treated him while
imprisoned on his rape conviction. Yet, this is his third rape allegation
-- he was convicted on the first one, which by the way, if you consider his
story, there are alot of PU techniques he used on that Desiree Washington
chick, such as redirecting her to his hotel room while en route to a party,
social proof, kino, etc. What can Tyson do to stop these false allegations
in light of police overzealousness? It seems like he should immediately
cease all PU and only hire call girls. Or else videotape all his sexual
encounters. Or else do some serious loyalty testing before having sex with
another girl. How can we pattern in loyalty, and the cessation of reporting
of bogus crimes into a PU?  It seems like in addition to getting girls
thinking about being attracted to you, you have to get them to abhor
thinking about false allegations. How about the "false rape allegation
destroyer pattern"?
Comments appreciated... Here goes:
You know, I had a friend once. She was really into this guy. In fact became
very attracted to this person to the point where she had to do something
about it. Well, that night she came over to his house and had this amazing
passionate sexual adventure with this guy. She felt peaks and pleasures
beyond what she thought possible and still knew, deep, deep inside, that if
she stayed with this guy, and was extremely loyal to this guy, her
experiences would continue to get better.
However, there is something that she did that really ruined her life
because she did this. See, she was sort of psychologically unstable. And
she felt bad because she acted slutily, so she went to her friend or a
counsellor who asked mistakenly convinced her that this wonderful guy who
she should have maintained her loyalty to actually had raped her. So, she
filed a police report. The guy was subjected to this bogus investigation
and was forced to hire an attorney to defend himself. As it turns out, a
thorough investigation totally disproved her allegation and everyone
recognized this troubled girl as a liar, causing her to feel exposed as a
complete liar. She thought people walking by her on the street knew what a
total lying slut she was. This sad girl began to doubt her report, knowing
that no one would believe her, and knew she made a mistake. Her stomach
started to churn, she became nauseous, sick really, whenever she even saw a
police officer or counselor. They would make her feel very ashamed and
ugly. In fact, once her bogus allegation was disproved, the wronged guy
sued the crap out of her and now her wages are being garnished at 25% for
many years to pay off the large judgement he obtained against her for
malicious prosecution. In fact, she tried to buy a new car, but was
declined due to having a large judgment.
In fact, this girl felt very ashamed she caused all these problems, and she
was responsible for everything. In fact, she found her life totally ruined
and now completely avoids police, police stations, detectives, county
attorneys, rape crisis centers and forgets all about calling 911 -- because
in the end, the government ruined everything for her and caused her to feel
very ashamed, bad, ugly, and stupid. Truly, reporting a bogus crime became
the worst experience of her entire life and she resolved to avoid reporting
bogus crimes! Had she only maintained loyalty to this guy, she would have
avoided so much pain and increased her enjoyment of life.
Anyways, so how about that rain we got last night? Have you seen Lord of
the Rings yet.. Fluff, fluff, fluff...


Eric H.:
> DB:
>Christos: Good writing combined with very useful techniques. I also
like  the Bluffer's Guide to Fortune Telling book but I am not sure that it
is still in print.

Eric H.: Still in print AFAIK. It was on maybe when I
looked a couple weeks ago. That's an awesome book
> Christos: I got laid a lot thanks to Rider Waite."
> DB: Who is Rider Waite?

Eric H.: That's a type of tarot that's a bit too archaic for my
If you hate looking up meanings of the cards(or gawd forbid memorizing
them) try "The Secret Dakini Oracle Deck." There are a couple reasons to
choose this deck. One, it's simple to read each card's meaning since it is
both printed with the name of the card, and it has symbolism that means
something to the "sitter" (as opposed to them trying to decypher why the
ten of wands means trouble to them). Secondly, it's based on the I Ching
with an added card, the Joker, to symbolize the inherent chaos in the
universe...making it a total of 65 cards...if you're remotely familiar with
how the I Ching breaks down existence into 64 different categories, you'll
pick up on this quickly. And all of your current spreads work with this
deck so no need to learn new layouts. BTW, any
book store should be able to order them. I'd recommend that anyone who is
interested in this get started with "Commercial Cold Reading" by Richard
Webster (I have a source for these if you don't know where to look) and
Completely Cold by Kenton Knepper (who BTW has gotten in a sort of
partnership with Rex Sikes).
Cold reading is simply one of the best skills you can learn(especially as a
PUA) since you can immediately pace internal and external experience and
can lead them anywhere you desire. Works so well that my first two clients
bug the bejeezus out of me to this day to hang out with them, go to their
parties, tell them how they should leave their borefriends (no kidding
here) and I haven't given them a reading for months and months. That's not
enough for you?!?!? What if you could easily tell if a chyck were bisexual?
They'll open that side of them up in a matter of seconds to a "man of
mystery" and with such "sensitivity and insight". And if that weren't
enough, there is a LOT of cash flow
involved if you get good at much you will turn away clients so you
can have the free time to enjoy it.


>Mark B. This morning on the radio coming into the office I heard the
Toronto police
are searching for a man who has been randomly kissing strangers, both men
and women on the street. He is described as well dressed, he strikes up a
conversation with people, offers to shake their hand and then once he has a
grip on their hand he pulls them close and kisses them. People have
complained as a result of the unwanted act and police
are looking to arrest him for public misconduct. If anyone has any
information on the
whereabouts of this man they are advised to call police. Do you think that
perhaps someone on our list has taken then idea of the kiss close a little
too far?

Assman: It's not me, I read on Friday they caught him, I heard the guy is
south Asian and older, with grey hair. These cases come up every year in
Toronto, and probably in every city in North America. As far as I know, no
women has ever complained about me, but I can't be sure. In my analysis,
this guy failed because first, he's old and probably ugly, he doesn't use
any advanced techniques like SS or hypnosis. Now granted , I don't use SS
or hypnosis in all my shock seductions, some are completely non-verbal, and
I remain silent
for what seems like an eternity 15-30 seconds, but I do these very rarely,
most of the time I must use words. Another reason I think he fails  is
because he does not have a safety plan, a back up excuse/explanation to
pacify the angry victim (at least that's what I get from the reports I
read). In the final analysis, I think his greatest disadvantage is age and
looks. I'm tall and good looking, I carry myself in a confident manner, and
people believe I DESERVE to get what I want based on my looks and demeanor.
Just look at the terms used on this list; carry yourself like a "FORTY FOOT
MAN" or walk like you have a "10 INCH DICK"-- size matters, people are
affected by physical presence, and I notice that
height is much more valuable than muscle  Good thick healthy hair is
probably better than a handsome face, and the right clothes make a huge
difference. People judge a book by its cover, like it or not it's reality.
If your short ugly and bald, you must work a lot
harder for your seduction success, you need to be an SS expert or master
some other effective technique. For the uglies out there I recommend never
using a non-verbal sex kino shock opener, gain rapport first before you
grab the ass.


Gregory Rasputin:  Hey, well this isn't me whining that I can't get it up.
I can get it up, but not much further from there. I don't know what my
problem is, but my girl jerked me off for one and a half hours straight and
I was just hard, but I wouldn't come. I wore her out, and she really wanted
me to come. I don't know if it's my diet, if it is, then please someone
tell me what I shouldn't eat, and what I should eat for better sperm count,
and such. Also, what kind of mind tricks would you suggest for better
control of my buddy?


Mark B.:
> Toecutter: Man, this girl is not actually that hot is she? You sound
like you are worshipping her for her beauty. I mean, is she hot? I can see
this on like a 7. Compliments are really bad on hot girls. Here is a
question: How would you feel if a girl you just met started talking like
that to you? Would you feel it is sincere? Would you feel she is a
comfortable person with HSE (high self esteem)? Or would you consider her a
fan? Would you consider her beneath you? I mean, you know that self
conscious feeling when you are being flattered? Like the feeling when
everyone is singing "Happy Birthday" for you and they are all looking at
you celebrating your birth. What do you do in that situation? Do you sing
along? See if this girl is hot, then she gets put into that flattery
situation all the time, and the feeling has bad associations linked to it.
Like AFC's who put her on a pedestal. It is okay for girls who don't often
get complimented, but give
me a break. That is not just a conversation about her beauty! As if it is a
natural thing. Man it sounds so false. This conversation sends shivers down
my spine at how bad it is. But apparently it works for you. It does not fit
with my world and my 9 and 9.5 ex's whom obviously I know very well. This
is not the sort of conversation they enjoy. They come to me and complain
about the idiot over there who couldn't get over her beauty and completely
weirded her out. And beyond that, it is just uncool.

MB: I think some of your comments border on the super extreme. According to
you, a guy is either a super champ PUA or a total AFC with nothing in
between. Well, just as there are 60 home run hitters there are also 50, 40,
30, 20 and 10 and ones that hit below 10 per season - yet most of them make
millions nonetheless. According to you, one should either be the ultimate
superstar or he is a piece of crap. Well, guys that are super super super
stars are in fact extremely rare and are statistical anomalies and to
suggest that unless you are a statistical anomaly you are a total AFC is
unfair to the scores of guys out there who work hard and get results for
themselves.  Making comments on a woman's beauty is a test of her interest
in you in my view. To me, when I compliment a woman on her looks or more
importantly now when I tell her how her overall presence affects me, I am
in essence expressing my potential physical interest in her and if she
responds favourably then it's a sign for me to continue and go further. In
fact, I have never, ever, ever in my life bedded a woman without
complimenting her in some way before that. I really have no idea how the
you perceive other guys making compliments but the way I do it elicits a
highly favourable response over 90% of the time. Contrarily, a friend of
mine is supergood looking gets nothing but blank looks and produces anxiety
in a woman when he compliments them. So, delivery not the content seems
most important with this issue.
Regarding where I find these woman. Like I said before, anywhere is fair
game. Women tell me they are just fucking dripping with starvation for a
guy to pay attention to her the right way - to appreciate her the way she
wants to be appreciated. My friends and I go to bars and we see all these
bonehead AFC's standing around doing nothing just looking back and forth
with women walking by them again and again hoping they catch their attention.
> Toecutter: OK, so you talk about her as a person and the boring things
about her, like her job, etc.? And her hobbies. And then you tell her she
is attractive. And you let her know that you want to get to know her as a
woman? I have no reason to doubt you here, but it sounds AFC to me. Why is
that interesting to her? Why is she speaking back to you? How are you
causing her to become attracted to you? How is any of that any different to
what the AFC's do? I don't get it, but would like to understand. See
because this actually seems contradictory to me.

MB: Where are you meeting these women? Women who are not interested in
themselves nor women who have no interest in those that have interest in
them? Wow, I would like to know where these women are since I could just
treat them like crap and get laid three times per day everyday. Over and
over again, I feel it does not really come down to what you do but how you
do it. The key here is confidence. Ross' SS works for him and others who do
it with confidence as well as DD's DYD works for others who use it
confidently. This is why I feel that a discussion about techniques must be
qualified by saying that in order to make this work do it with confidence.
When I ask a woman about herself, I do so as if it is the most important
thing right here right now. When I tell her she looks great, I also do that
with confidence and total sincerity. This is what makes the difference
between her saying "yeah, just another AFC telling me I look hot." I never
hesitate when I make an approach and never pull my punches nor qualify what
I say to her first. I just say what I need to say or want to say in such a
way as to imply that whatever I am saying is the proper and appropriate
thing to say to her at the time. AFC'ness I feel is more about attitude
than what you actually do. You could have the best negs, the best lines,
the bartender is your best friend but if your delivery lacks power and
confidence you are dead in the water.
> Toecutter: You will never get complimented on your looks. Only by your
mothers and girl-friends. And you can't believe them anyway, right? The
best looking guy in the world doesn't get complimented. So everyone (yes,
Ross included), just consider for a second that maybe all this time you
were actually good looking and you didn't know it. Because you didn't
believe your mother, and you didn't believe your girlfriends. I didn't
always know I was good looking. I don't know whether you would consider me

MB: I disagree totally. Virtually all of my friends if not all of them are
all good looking guys. When we go out we have no trouble meeting women and
they in turn have no problems complimenting us on our looks right away. In
fact, this happens all the time to all of us in all sorts of situations
with women both verbally and non verbally.
>Toecutter: I think maybe cool and good-looking are similes in a guy. I
didn't always consider myself good looking, but I had little question in my
mind that I was cool. I always was. So what does it mean to be cool? It is
not what you wear but the way you wear it. It is not being intimidated by
anyone at all in any situation. It is about meeting other cool people and
looking them in the eye, and they know that you are cool, too, because you
are not scared and they can tell. And you know they are cool because they
are not intimidated by YOU. Those intimidated by you have this look in
their eye like you are about to lay judgement on them. Cool people don't
have that look. It is about being comfortable with what you wear. It is
about being comfortable with who you are. It is about not getting overly
excited at stupid things in a conversation. It is about knowing what topics
of conversation are interesting (cool) and what are not. It is about seeing
when people are tuning out and changing the topic to something that
everyone is interested in. It is about knowing how to take a risk socially,
and doing it with confidence and style. It is about having a certain
fluidity and confidence in the way you move and talk. It is about saying
something outrageous because it is outrageous, not because you are socially
inept. I think NightLight9 is already cool. I think this girl gave him a
shit test.

MB: Being cool to me is not about placing restrictions upon yourself as to
what you will talk about and not talk about or worrying what topics of
conversation are interesting. Hell, I cannot imagine sitting there is a
social situation worrying about whether what I am going to say next is the
right thing to say because I want it to be the next cool thing. Being cool
and confident around a woman is about saying and doing anything you want
with out worrying that others do or say about your behaviour - following
your own path and just allowing things to come out of your naturally and
spontaneously, where you express your first thought. I have several friends
that are a bit older than me and have been with 100's of women and the one
common thing they all say is they never worry about offending a woman or
saying the wrong thing. Even if they get a negative reaction their attitude
is "hey, you did not like what I did or said well that is your problem not
mine". They say and do what they want without fear or concern - these are
guys that will go to a crowded restaurant by themselves, go to a club by
themselves, hit on every broad they see, wear torn jeans or track pants and
not shave - and yet still get laid like crazy.
> Toecutter: So a good looking guy has to work harder to make the girl
comfortable with him.
Another thing is, he can over qualify himself. Sounds silly, I know, but if
you are too smooth and you intimidate her, she asks herself "Why me? Why me
instead of any of these other girls?" So it is a self esteem issue on their
part. Of course this is not a problem with the HSE girls who are your good
targets anyway.

MB: I get this a lot. Many women say "why does a guy like you not have a
girlfriend" or "am I just another one of 30 at your disposal" or "Your
desire to see me was not urgent enough" or "I do not want to be just
another number in your rolodex". Sometimes it's tough because I find I need
to work extra hard to convince them I want them and they are up to my standard.
> Toecutter: I think 2 concepts need to be separated: NEEDINESS from
DESIRE. Women prefer men who don't need them. What NightLight9 describes
above is compliments that come from a place of NEED. You are allowed to
show desire if it has absolutely no neediness component to it. The best of
MB's compliments are pure desire with no neediness. That is the key. (At
the same time, I don't compliment and think it is not a good way forward).

MB: Women prefer men who do not need them? On Saturday, a bunch of us went
out to a club. We were standing around and a friend of mine began hitting
on an HB9. She was standing beside me and turns to me and says "your friend
seems very desperate for sex. He looks too into sex and I do not like
that." Half an hour later she asks him to dance and within 10 minutes they
are making out on the dance floor and later she gives him her number. So
much for neediness. Same night another HB9 comes up to order a drink beside
me. As she is turning to squeeze in between me and another guy I take my
elbow and purposely rub it against her tits. She says "what the fuck are
you doing" I said "Rubbing your breasts with my elbow" she says "You cannot
do that, I am pissed off." I said "well I know deep down inside you really
like that" she says "you are such a pig" I say "yes I am a pig and I am
getting a hard on just by you standing here beside me" she says "really,
are you really getting hard?" I say "Yes, harder by the minute, want to
see?" she says "you are sick." I say "well you are not running away are
you?"........she stayed with me until the end of the night where I grabbed
her ass, her tits, rubbed her stomach and kissed her with no objection. I
think they just need to feel like they have separated themselves from the
responsibility of looking like a whore or acting like one by expressing
that she is not like one. After that, whatever she does she feels is not
her responsibility and is therefore O.K. The more I am on this list and the
more real life experience I get, the more I see the danger of
overcomplicating things and the whole process. I feel the simpler the
better, use of common sense and judgement and following your first thought
works extremely well. Another point is obsessing with why you succeeded in
getting an HB and why not. Probability theory in mathematics suggests that
luck and randomness have much more to do with results than we may believe
but we as humans are programmed to see patterns where there are possibly
none. There are millions upon millions of variables that make up one
situation and to suggest that one's skill or luck had everything to do with
the result is pure nonsense. In fact, some statistical studies in economics
suggest that having wrong or bad information can produce worse than random
results. The better thing to do is to have a simple method based on not
fucking up that works and then do it over and over again hundreds of times.
I can honestly say that looking back at my successes with women I can say
that most of the time it was not really anything that I did other than
being at the right place at the right time, then gently nudging the process
along and not fucking up - having good timing in the sense of finding women
that were already attracted to me and in a position where they were
available for fucking/dating. For example, one HB9 I boned in the summer
had not dated in about 9 months and was hungry for action, another one just
got divorced and missed the physical touch of another man, another one a
few years ago was disenchanted with her BF when I met her, two married
women last year just happened to be unhappy in their marriage - so all
these were as a result of good timing on my part but I did not know this
before hand nor did I really have to expend much great effort at getting
these women. As much as I hate to admit this, I feel that we are not as
much responsible for our success in the sense of making things happen as we
think we are. Luck in the sense of being where the prey is at the right
time has much more to do with success probably than anything else. If you
are a gold miner you cannot make gold appear in one spot just by looking
harder, only looking elsewhere. When I come to bone an HB, 95% of the time
the process is easy and smooth, it just seems to happen without much real
effort or use of techniques or methods. Other times no matter how good I am
or smooth or cool or whatever, nothing seems to work.  This seems to be why
less tends to be more so often, saying less, doing less, not trying as hard
- all lessens the odds for fucking up. My best pickup line has been "hi
gorgeous" or "hey stunning" and then taking it from there allowing her to
do most of the talking. In fact, I find the more I try the more I fuck up
and this is not only true in the hunt for pussy but in business and sports
as well................


In the New Links to be explored (WE NEED THESE REVIEWED!): section of your
latest post you had:
6) Wally's Seduction Tips for Desperate Bachelors
I took a quick look at this. It is a humour site, reasonably funny IMHO, but
of no direct use in seduction. Has 4 'tips'
1/ take a cute puppy dog for a walk
2/ treat strippers like women
3/ pick up dental hygienists
4/ ask every attractive woman you meet to have sex with you


> Clifford: I hear there's a whole genre of porn (I think called gonzo)
where guys approach women with hand held cams and get them to have sex on
film - or something like that. But I don't know any more (just saw it on tv
last night).

PF: You could never do it in the States because of releases and all the
shit to avoid lawsuits, but I can't think of any reason it couldn't be done
in some other countries. The Japanese have those nanpa (street nanpa)
videos so it should be possible to do it other places. There is porn in the
US which pretends to be real pickups but most of them are obviously staged.

Clifford: I can't see any reason why someone couldn't do it, tape it and
afterwards ask for a release.  The worst thing that can happen is that the
girls says no, so you just have to do more useable ones until you have
enough to fill a tape.  My thinking is that if these pick ups are
successful it should mean that the girl liked the way the guy did things
and probably shouldn't have objections.  Most attractive women have a
little exhibitionist in them also, so it would surprise me if you had many
refusals to give releases.

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One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo’s Double Your Dating» e-book.  David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" — which is "hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for several years now that I originally met through one of Ross’ Speed Seduction» seminars.  His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.

Ron Louis and David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes.

Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites that have been seen within this "seduction community". After seeing several terrible reviews and "flames" from, I decided to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal to anything I have seen in the past.  At any rate, I know you wanted a review.. and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his members area than I would expect to see from any other site.

Not only does this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee, but it stands alone and it’s program is unmatched. Right now they’re doing a Free Trial period, and I’d take advantage of this while you can. The site reads "Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women. From A – Z, you’ll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you’ll see why their members like this program so much.


Here’s another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past but I haven’t gone through the old emails to check. Do You Want To Know A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?

Advanced Macking has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.

This one also looked pretty interesting. Information on breakups and loving-styles.

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The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting. Comments, please.

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A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language to make others obey your command.

Arte’s New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman’s g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend – but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully.

Check this out.

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