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Mark B.:
Here are some further very interesting points I noticed. I am intrigued
with this whole idea of being very low key and quiet. On Thursday, I went
out to lunch with a friend from the office to get some takeout food. As we
waited, this HB9 came in to order. She was dark skinned and very, very soft
and sensual. After she ordered, I got up and offered her my seat on the
bench but did so in a very low key and quiet tone. She smiled and sat down.
Then my friend and I continued talking as we stood about 6 feet in front of
her waiting for our order. I made sure that I stayed very low key even in
my conversation with him as she was watching us. I looked at her a few
times, smiled, and she smiled back. Then as her order came, it did so in a
huge bag to which I said "that's a big order, you are going to eat all of
that yourself" to which she said "well it's only salad and some chicken." I
said to her "Well, you just may have to share it with me." She said "I work
at the pharmacy right there (her pointing) by the Food Basics, come and see
me there when you get a chance." Bingo.
Same location a few minutes later after the first HB9 left, I begin
flirting with the cashier HB8 also in a every hushed tone. I looked at her
name tag that said "Lovely Lynnette" to which I said "is lovely your first
or last name?" She said "no, lovely is just a description they gave me." Me
- "well, it's right on the mark."  We went back and forth as I took my
order and placed it on the counter on top of a button that is attached to a
bell that rings in the back if no one is in the front. She said "you are
ringing my bell." I said "well, I hope so as I see a great amount of
attraction between us building here, how about dinner?" She said "that
would be nice."  Another Bingo.
Another HB10 that I bone once in a while called me on Sunday night where I
also stayed very quiet and spoke in a hushed tone. She said "Mark, I miss
you. When are we going to see each other again. It's so good to talk to
you."  It seems that perhaps by not being very loud you convey more
confidence that you do not need to be loud to attract attention. It could
also be less threatening to others and actually draw them in closer as well
as showing that you actually care for what the other person has to say. But
whatever the reason it's working like hell.
In fact, I was this way with my lady from the department store that helped
me with the skin foundation and it worked on her as well as many others
since her.
BTW I have gone back to the store where she works but I have not seen her
there since. I guess the lesson is strike while the iron is hot.
>Toecutter: Okay, so what are you saying? Are you saying that you are not
a great PUA, but do okay?

MB: I do not know what would constitute a great PUA. Unfortunately, no one
really keeps track of these things like they do touchdowns, goals or home
runs. But from what I read on this list, too many guys set up too many
conditions for themselves in order to succeed. They have to do this and do
that. Before you know it, they forget her and lose themselves in trying to
remember what to do. So I focus more on not fucking up rather than on doing
this, that, or the other. I assume that women out there already are open to
me and want me and my job is to make it easy for them to express their
attraction to and for me. We tend to give women more power than they
deserve. They want us as much as we want them but most guys do not see it
this way.
> Toecutter: Because if you are constantly picking up and closing women
like beauty pageant winners, exotic feature models and what ever else it is
that you say you are constantly getting, that to me would mean that you are
claiming to be the best of the best.

MB: I make no claim to be anything. All I say is I have been able to get
women of such calibre and whatever that means to you is your choice.

Toecutter: Because these women are the best of the best and you have your
choice of them. So are you a guy who does okay, or are you a guy who can
teach us all an enormous amount of stuff?

MB: I don't know but in 2001 I went out with about 35 women (all in range
of HB8-HB10) or about 50% of the women I asked out and slept with 50% of
those and had fucked maybe 120 - 150 times in total last year. I could have
maybe dated more or fucked more but many were repeats and sometimes I just
am out of the game for a while as I get tired and need time alone sometimes
but otherwise the results are pretty good, I feel. In 100% of all cases I
with them, complimented them, made them feel special, listened to them,
talked to them about themselves and openly expressed my desire for them.
AFC? Maybe but does an AFC get laid this much and this often? I don't know
and if they get more action than this then I am the world's biggest AFC.

Toecutter: I have no reason to doubt you, and thus I feel you are not
communicating what it is that you do. See I am interested in hearing about
it. Because I don't believe you wear "Sure Fuck" after shave, and I don't
believe you do it on your looks. Not with hot women anyway. The desperate
"Lame ducks" is a club, I have no issue with. But those beauty pageant
winners and models and celebrities and stuff ... they are the ones that I
am interested how you get. And you have not told me anything I haven't
heard before from AFC's yet.

MB: Funny - no "Sure Fuck" aftershave. But most women deep down inside, I
feel, all want to be open and free sexually, including the most beautiful
ones. I feel that North America has suppressed and repressed female
sexuality and made it taboo for them to express it without meeting some
prior conditions. In other words, she does not want to be seen as a slut that
initiates sex but she loves it as much as we do and looks to the guy to
take her fear of looking like a slut and her fear of expressing her
sexuality away first. You do this by making the first moves - flirting,
compliments, and otherwise. Dating or getting a number for me happens most
often after some exchange of mutual attraction. Why should you feel you
have to create some other basis for her to want to be with you other than
the promise of sex, physical closeness and some fun together? To me, this
is the super qualifier. I make me the basis for her wanting to be with me.
I am the reason why she should come out, not because I am a good hypnotist,
magician, or I drive a hot car. It's all about me - if she responds
favourably to my playfulness then I know she is game and I pursue her. If
she does not and if I create another basis for her to see me other than for
me in the hopes of turning her around, I never ever succeed.
> Toecutter: Okay, so you are saying you play a numbers game only. You
walk up and PING.
You: "Hi, I think you are really beautiful. Can I buy you a drink?"
Her: "Well, thank-you. And yes, I`ll have a Kamikaze, please"
You: "Coming right up, so what is your name?" etc.
Is this what you are saying? You PING her, hoping that she will PONG you
back? And when she does, you move up the sexual aggression?

MB: Well, I never offer them a drink period. That is AFC to me because you
are making the basis for being there the drink and not you. If I see an HB,
I look at the surroundings and say something totally spontaneous in the
context of the setting, her attractiveness and my desire for her. I do play
the numbers. You have no choice in the matter, actually. For me, success is
more about being in the right place at the right time but you do not know
what that place or right time is so you have to try everywhere and ping
until you get ones that pong. Also, I do not believe you ever create
attraction. For me, attraction is there or it's not. The key difference is,
though, that you either make it easy for her to express it for you by being
open yourself or you do not and it never shows.
> Toecutter: No, man ... you said you talk about her job, and her hobbies,
etc. See, this style of conversation is the style of conversation that you
might have with her father when you meet him. "So what do you do? Oh, Bank
Accountant ... that is interesting... Oh, so you are into fly fishing.
Well, I don't mind a bit of sea fishing every now and again myself, so
where do
you go fly fishing?" See my point here? This is just conversation. It is
the same conversation she has with anyone who tries really hard to make
conversation with her. It in no way attracts her to you. It is regular,
boring, I-have-this-conversation-with-my-dentist style uninteresting
conversation. So it is definitely not the conversation that attracts these
super hot women to you. I want to know what it is.

MB: For me, these are sort of conversational cherry pickers. If she loves
her job, then I want to make sure I know because that is important to her.
HB10 and down, believe it or not, want to know that you do not only care
about their pussy but her as a whole overall. If it's going nowhere, I
switch gears but I want to make sure I leave no ground uncovered. It would
be a mistake to dwell on something that is boring but scanning the field of
her interests allows you to hone on things you can talk about. My sister
takes great pride in her education. Her new BF supports her there totally
and she is totally into him because of that and they have the hottest most
passionate sex.  Women say to me "Mark, finally I met someone who is
interested in me not in just in themselves" and they reward me with their
pussy within a short period. They say "Mark, you overwhelmed with your
attention and desire and I feel so wanted" and they let me fuck the shit
out of them all I want. One of the biggest complaints women have is that
guys are selfish. So I try to be as selfless as I can without demeaning
myself and it drives them wild. In
fact, once I have them I can tell them I have other women, ignore them for
weeks or months or act like a total jerk and they still forgive me and let
me fuck them. Don't you just love the puppy that runs to you with a smile
and showers you with love - I am that puppy that injects the fuck serum
into their veins.
> Toecutter: So there is definitely technique there. I am asking you what
your technique is. I don't think it is an unfair question given the nature
of the e-mail list. Why won't you tell us?

MB: More so than anything I could say it's about having a peaceful interior
and working on that first. I do that through diet by eating the right foods
which make me feel relaxed and easy. This way my mind and emotions are
clear and I can think of the right things to say at each moment. Most of
the time it's about changing gears and going with the flow of that is
happening and doing what brings me and her the most joy. I pay total
attention to her responses and do less of what
brings on a negative one and more of what brings on a positive one. But the
basis for what I do is somehow trying to focus attention on her, the
current environment along with some sexual undertones. See my posts over
the last year for specifics or ask me a specific question. The key is being
in the moment and just allowing yourself to be natural and flow. A huge
stiff oak
breaks in a hurricane but the fragile grass bends but stays in intact.
> Toecutter: Absolutely no argument with you there. I agree that it is
mostly in the attitude. Negs have the right attitude built into them. It is
impossible to not do a neg right if the words are right. And the attitude
is congruent with the words. And therein perhaps lies the answer. Maybe you
are contradictory. Perhaps you talk about this banal boring stuff, but let
your eyes wander over her body. Perhaps you don't let her tread on your
toes, but AFC stuff like compliments and worshipping her and putting her on
a pedestal come out of your mouth. Perhaps she is not sure how to take you.
But now I am putting words in your mouth. I'd rather have you explain it
since I have never seen you work and am searching around in the ambiguous
gaps between your words to try to invent and fill in the PUA details myself
to make the quality of the women you are getting AND everything else you
have written plausible. I want you to do it.

MB: Interesting comments from you. I keep my distance and never allow them
to walk over me. I never worship. I appreciate and say stuff like "I would
move mountains for you" from the view of a noble knight who would give his
life for her but in a very playful and humorous manner but she gets the
point. Women say "Mark, I love to play with you this way, I am having so
much fun." She is on a pedestal but it's my pedestal and I make sure she
knows that it's mine and she can be knocked off at any moment through
misbehaviour. This keeps them in line. It's like a fucking shot of the
purest heroin - one shot and they are hooked but I am the only dealer in
the world and they better behave or I take away the supply and they know
this for if they misbehave I pull back. What I do and say I always try to
capture the moment right there right now. If we are walking on the beach, I
will say "It's great to walk like this here with you on the beach. You hand
feels great in mine" and I kiss her and she kisses me back with total
passion. But I will not try to break into something else totally irrelevant
from the context we are in.
>Toecutter: So are you saying you have no technique, but rather just "get
lucky"? This sounds so AFC to me. Like really, really, AFC. "Just be
yourself, and knock on enough doors and talk about her and her hobbies and
tell her she is good looking and the women will come into your life because
they will recognize the special person that you are inside."

MB: I think you border on the extreme. But you just proved my point as to
what you need to do to succeed - knock on doors until you get one that
bites. My technique is really one of no technique really. The no technique
technique is really just paying attention to what is happening and then
just responding to that and gently moving the process along by being
upfront, honest, expressive and sincere. You adapt to what is happening -
you mention a blow job and if her eyes light up, you keep on the topic. If
she looks at you in disgust, you change gears and find something else to
talk about. But ultimately, what makes an AFC - how he does what he does or
the results he gets? Does being a great PUA mean being able to turn around
situations or making things so hard on yourself when you succeed you see
yourself as the king? Or does being a PUA mean getting women? If I am a
fisherman my goal is to catch fish with my net so I go where they are
easiest to get and I go for the ones closest to me. But there is huge glory
to catching a fish in the part of the lake where there are no fish. But why
make it so hard on yourself. My goal is getting women that want me, not
getting women that do not want me. There is great danger in trying to be a
certain way in order not to be an AFC at the expense of getting women. My
methods may be the worst AFC in the world but to me that is irrelevant as
long as they work and they do and I get my share of pussy. It's more about
looking for opportunities and then taking advantage of them when you see
them. But this is the hard part - guys do not believe that it could be easy
or that they have to do something - pattern, hypnosis, magic to succeed.
It's all about being out there, talking to women, flirting, making them
laugh, telling them you find them beautiful and if they respond positively
to you, boom, you ask them out and on and on. 80% of success is about
showing up, the other 20% is not fucking up. Talk to enough women and
enough of them will smile at you and out of those a good % will go out with
you. It's like casting a big net. You do not know how many fish are in the
area or whether
they'll bite. You are just there with the net and when you see it you
pounce. Watch a documentary on how lions or cheetahs hunt. They sit and
wait for a small gazelle to break from the heard and come closer and then
they strike. They sit and wait but they would starve if they said "OK there
is a herd. I want that one so let's chase it until we catch it."  Much
harder to do.
PU is very similar. There is a lot of grey out there. And, yes, luck, well
not really luck but being in the right place at the right time and taking
advantage of opportunities, has more to do with success than trying to
"create attraction" or "making her feel attracted". You cannot force
anything nor can you draw blood from a stone nor can you make a woman
attracted to you if
she only likes say men over 6'5" with a 12 inch penis and you are not that.
The key is finding the ones that are qualified and then nudging the process
> Toecutter: I mean with all these approaches that you do, have you never
experimented with different stuff? Have you never seen that if you do one
thing you do well, and if you do another you do badly?

MB: Yes, I have done it all. Some things work well, some fail horribly.
What works best for me is upfront honesty and openness. What fails horribly
is trying to be about anything else other than what I want or what I am
> Toecutter: Have you never walked away from a situation kicking yourself
because you stuffed it up with some particular thing? Like you knew you
could have had that chick if you had done
something differently or said something differently?

MB: Yes, many times but I am getting better and better at not fucking up.
But most times the reason why many things that happen first to you are
really beyond your control. Where you exact control is how you respond to
what happened to you and whether you allow it to happen to you again. For
example, if you try to kiss her and she pulls away, her pulling away has
more to do with her issues such as insecurity, not wanting to look slutty,
etc. and not because you did
not create the right conditions. But where you control is when you say "As
we sit here you can begin to feel more and more comfortable and secure in
kissing me back" and then you go for it again. You cannot control her
response prior to eliciting it from her, but you can after she offers you
one. I feel, though, that not fucking up is more important than trying to
do something better all the time. Most of the time it's things I did not
do, error of omission, rather than errors of commission, that did me in.
For example, if I compliment a woman and she turns away, it does not mean
she is attracted to me but she finds the comments offensive. It means she
does not find me attractive and does not want to be in that position. So
it's more of what you do not do that doesn't fuck you up rather than what
you do.  I am not a big fan of Ross Jeffries or SS but his shit works for
many guys I am sure because they go out there and talk to tons of women.
You talk to enough women about attraction and sex and you will get some of
them to fuck you irrespective of whether SS works or not.
> Toecutter: Can you not diagnose your own errors and pass on some of the
stuff you have learned in the process?

MB: The biggest lesson out of errors I learned is to not hesitate and go
for what you want. The best way to do this is to first test the waters
gently to judge the response such as "You know Jen, I have been eating this
new diet and my sex drive is really high." If she responds favourably, I
can pursue this further and then tell her I want to fuck her. But if she
recoils I stop and try it again later in a different way. For example, with
kissing first I touch them on the hand, the arm, then I playfully put my
arm around her, then give her a hug, kiss on the cheek, then the mouth. If
she does not stop me at any point here, I do not stop until I am blowing my
load on her ass if
we are in private. I do this with women all the time and if I feel I am at
a point where I can say "You look so hot I would like to blow my load all
over your ass," I do that. Same process with anything else. It's a gentle
process and if she stops me at any point you know where to start again
later. The biggest pain for me was realizing that I could have gotten laid
if I had only gone for it as a few women have said to me "Mark, I wanted to
fuck the night we first went out but you did not go for it" or something to
that effect.
> Toecutter: I mean with all those approaches and all the lessons learned
so that you are now pulling the creme-de-la-creme of women in society, you
would think, at the end of the day, you would have some technique, and some
piece of advice you could share with us that does not sound exactly like
what the guy next door who never gets laid says about women. There is
something you are not telling us here. I would like it if you could share it.

MB: I don't know honestly what to say to this. I only go for HB8s and up
and I am very open with them right off the bat. I feel most guys are too
fucking scared of these women and feel them need to appeal to them by being
funny, magic tricks, hypnosis, etc. all in the hopes of getting her to come
onto them first. Well, I do not do that. I come onto a woman first and you
know what? Women say to me "Mark, in a long time have I not been able to
feel so free to
express my sexuality as I do with you. All the other guys wait for me to
make the move (AFC) but I want to be taken." These are HB8, 9 and HB10's
that say this and the hotter they are the more frustrated they are as guys
try harder and harder to make the women come after them. I do the opposite
- I go after them and they fucking melt at my feet.
> Billy L.: I just have a question for some of you guys who use the
straight up, direct style of approaching women. When you approach a woman,
whether it be with the Mark-like 'I just wanted to tell you I think you're
a very stunning woman' or the Ross-style 'I just noticed you and wanted to
come over and find out what you are like', what do you guys do when they
show little interest? Do you just try and have some conversation
nevertheless, or do you bail?

MB: I talk to her. I judge the conversation and go by feel and instinct a
lot. depends on the setting. If it's a bar, I take my time but if it's a
mall or a street then you have to work faster.
> This straight up style is what usually works best for me, because I find
that women usually like the directness and honesty of it all.

MB: Thank you as I have been saying this for a long time. And if she does
not like your openness then guess what? It's not that she does not like
your openness - she does not like you. If a woman likes a guy, she will cut
him some slack.
> Another thing that I'm wondering is: do you think it's necessary to
adjust your style when you aren't doing an approach? For example, maybe
your buddy takes you to his girlfriend's party and introduces you to her
friends. How do you adjust your style, or, do you even feel an adjustment
is necessary? There are some subtle differences there...

MB: If he makes an intro, I say "nice to meet you" and gauge her reaction
then proceed from there. If she is into me, then I slow down. If she
hesitates, then I put her at ease by being open and if she is not into me I
am courteous and let her go.
>MB: Where are you meeting these women? Women who are not interested in
themselves nor women who have no interest in those that have interest in
them? Wow, I would like to know where these women are since I could just
treat them like crap and get laid three times per day everyday.
>NightLight9 says: Come to Seattle. We've got tons.

MB:  Thanks for the invite, maybe one day.............


> Of course, I always leave them wanting a little more and then drop in
that I have a tarot deck at home if she is really interested. I got laid a
lot thanks to Rider Waite. Crowley was not so helpful. Is "
> DB: Who is Rider Waite?

Christos: Rider Waite is a particular type of tarot deck. It is very
traditional in its appearance and there are relative few dark looking
cards. The Aleister Crowley Deck, on the other hand, often looks like an HR
Giger forerunner. Some of the images are very macabre and it often makes
ladies quite uncomfortable.
I do not have access to a lot of New Age products here on the mainland but
I am sure that there is a very wide selection in Europe and the US. A
search on the web might be productive and perhaps some other list members
have some recommendations.


> Clifford: I hear there's a whole genre of porn (I think called gonzo)
where guys approach women with hand held cams and get them to have sex on
film - or something like that. But I don't know any more (just saw it on TV
last night).
> PF: You could never do it in the States because of releases and all the
shit to avoid lawsuits, but I can't think of any reason it couldn't be done
in some other countries. The Japanese have those nanpa (street nanpa)
videos so it should be possible to do it other places. There is porn in
the US which pretends to be real pickups but most of them are obviously
> Nova: Tell them your working on producing an HBO special ; ), they'll
probably sign. And you are, working on producing a special which you may
eventually sell to HBO. Think taxi cab confessions. I still say it's more
trouble then it's worth. However, using a hand held camera in plain view
isn't completely bad. I've had success using a small hand held video camera
as a variation on Mystery's digi camera routine during PU's. Just be
lighthearted, make her a bit shy under the camera's gaze, and do a
surrogate interview ; ), get her to start following you around and doing
things for the camera. Always gets a good reaction when you "show" her
this cool new video camera you bought today. It's different if nothing
else, but you can do just fine without the 500$ camera around.

I've seen some porn (from the States) where the guys pick up chicks at bus
stops, etc. and get her to get in a van with them, leading to a blowjob and
eventually having sex. Go to for some clips, or download
the full length stuff from your nearest peer-to-peer filesharing network.
:-) Not too sure whether this is staged though. It looks pretty real to me
(but so did those dinosaurs in Jurrasic Park). Also, this will open your
eyes to what sluts women really are.
Also, the guy doing all the talking uses some awesome PUA language with a
super-alpha attitude.


>Ross: Don't know why Mys calls it "Sex Magick" as it seems to have
nothing to do with it, other than using stage magic as a prelude to finding
a woman with whom to have sex

Ciz: "Sex Magick" is when you have an HB sit on your lap and concurrent
excitement causes her supernatural levitation over your Magick wand. But I
did experiment with the group theory thing. Approach the friend(s) first,
etc. But what does Mystery do when after switching from the friend(s) to
the target, the target asks you, "Aren't you interested in my friend?"
Also, when done in the wrong situation, the group theory method can bring
out paranoia in women. After doing the Mystery method» on this girl at a
club, when talking to her in the parking lot, I saw another HB, whom I did
not know, and simply said, "Hi." The girl I was sarging asked me, deadpan
serious, "Did you fuck her?" It's like you become to the girls you are
sarging this superman who tours the world doing all the chicks (which,
apparently, is exactly what Mystery does). It can make them uneasy.
Sometimes I get asked, "Why do you want *me*?" and, "Shouldn't you be with
a girl already, how come you are single?" What is the appropriate Mystery
method» response on this?
Finally, when a chick goes AFC on you... So you approach, and you either
neg or pattern or give a cocky but funny compliment, etc. and then the
chick starts talking about her/your job, growing up, what school you
went/go to, the weather. Rapport is there, but it's like there must be
something to hasten the close.
Party question: I was at a party, recently. There are several guys who know
several girls and they have parties on occasion, and I went to one. Ok, now
the guys who are hosting the parties have a great idea, because these
chicks come to them and it is a great opportunity. However, none of the
guys hosting "scored" at the party in which I went to. I banged one chick
in the bedroom of the guy hosting the party, one kissed me sitting in a
chair, I kissed another on the couch and at the end of the party we heavily
made out outside by her car, culminating with my Magick wand shooting forth
a gushering spell over her levitating breasts, which when rubbed properly
allow her to see into the future. (Being outside, it was cold, but not as
cold as Canada, I would imagine.)  So, one of the guys hosting the party
tells me like two weeks later I'm not invited to anymore parties, saying
his parties were not to be a "dating service" for myself. Another guy also
told me that unknown females were uncomfortable with my languaging. When
questioned and asked for details he became defensive. However, during the
party, the girl whom I banged in his bedroom came up to me with a ping pong
paddle and I said to her that she'd been a bad girl and needs to be
paddled. The party host guy heard this and told me, "I know her and she
doesn't like that sort of thing!" And then she said to him that it was all
right if *I* did it to her. So, how can I turn this guy around because
there are some great opportunities at his parties.
Also, how does one handle/disarm jealous male roommates of chicks? It's
like they personally make it their business to cock block you -- taking
advantage of their access and proximity to the target.


Ciz: Re: Common Questions on Diet and Sexual Performance
A lot of questions have been coming up with people asking what to eat in
their diet to get better erections, with Greg Rasputin the most recent.
With regards to Rasputin having delayed orgasm, commonly that is caused by
medications -- various ones including analgesics, and many, many others.
There is no magical diet for sex. It is more about what to avoid, than what
to eat. Ground up desiccated wild boar testicle or Southeast Asian Yak
horns aren't going to make you a porn star, nor can any of these folk
remedies hold the jockstrap of Viagra for those who really need Viagra-like
intervention. Simply, avoid alcohol, smoking, caffeine (vasoconstrictive),
soy products (and other phytoestrogens), and any medication which adversely
affects sexual function (a long list..) and never mix carbohydrates with
fat -- fat with protein is good, carbohydrates with protein is good. Also,
stay away from bicycle seats as this can compress nerves which enable
penile function and avoid pelvic and genital injuries at all costs.
Also common medications to avoid are pseudoephedrine, ephedrine,
antihistamines, cimetidine, opiodes, heroin, marijuana, amphetamines,
corticosteroids, heart and blood pressure medications, and all psychotropic
medications and anti-depressants, certain anabolic steroids, especially
without taking clomiphene citrate to upregulate endogenous testosterone
production, and, of course, avoid any type of estrogen and progesterone.

Joseph: Wow, that's some list of what not to eat and drink! It looks like
you've single-handedly taken all the fun out of life except the fun
associated with sex. Maybe I shouldn't be commenting here since I drink
alcohol, smoke cigs, smoke pot, sometimes use medication or other
recreational drugs, eat fat and carbohydrates mixed, ride mountain bikes,
and have three cups of coffee every morning. I can still cum three times a
day if I need to, and I have serious staying power. I haven't changed my
diet in 12 years. Of course, I do take vitamins and make sure my diet is
balanced, and I exercise.
If you can give up all those pleasures of life for the singular pleasure of
sex, maybe you are preoccupied with sex or your brain's chemical reaction
to orgasm is much much stronger than it is in mine. Because to me sex is
not the end all be all of living.

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One of the best places for you to start your journey on becoming more successful with women would be to get David DeAngelo’s Double Your Dating» e-book.  David (who posts here under the name "Sisonpyh" — which is "hypnosis" spelled backwards) is a good friend that I have known for several years now that I originally met through one of Ross’ Speed Seduction» seminars.  His posts here have been among the most outstanding contributions I have had over the years and his book (and the free bonuses) is highly recommended.

Ron Louis and David Copeland have been reading these emails for awhile and recently sent me their Mastery Program Tape series which I have finished listening to. It has some very good stuff on it and that, in combination with other pieces that you can pick up here and from the other products mentioned can be a help. For those who are just starting out learning how to deal with women, this is an excellent basic daily course to take you through the process of dealing with women. For those who are more advanced, you should pick up a few good ideas from this set of tapes.

Comments on this product from Tony B.:
I thought I might drop you a quick line regarding some of the more popular sites that have been seen within this "seduction community". After seeing several terrible reviews and "flames" from, I decided to make a decision for myself based upon my own ideas of what could be offered on the Seven Magic Words product and after several months of reading great novels about how to attract women and multiple posts about how women are most attracted to men, I STILL found the site to be beneficial. After joining the site, I was happy to learn all the new techniques that I have never seen on any list and that alone made it worth the money. I am not typically the type of person that spends money on a site especially a seduction site, I would rather pay for some audio or video, but the information that was offered was different and unequal to anything I have seen in the past.  At any rate, I know you wanted a review.. and I have actually come to know the owner, and he puts more attention in his members area than I would expect to see from any other site.

Not only does this next site give you an unconditional 1 year no risk money back guarantee, but it stands alone and it’s program is unmatched. Right now they’re doing a Free Trial period, and I’d take advantage of this while you can. The site reads "Learn the proven secrets for meeting, attracting, and seducing women. From A – Z, you’ll discover the most advanced techniques for picking up women ever developed." Check out their Free Trial (before it ends) and you’ll see why their members like this program so much.


Here’s another one which I think has been reviewed here in the past but I haven’t gone through the old emails to check. Do You Want To Know A Simple, Two Minute Hypnotic Technique That Lets YOU Secretly Put Any Woman Into An Instant Trance And Persuades Her To Ask YOU Out?

Advanced Macking has one of the most enticing websites. An updated review would also be welcome.

This one also looked pretty interesting. Information on breakups and loving-styles.

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The Ultimate Guide to Powerful Relationships is only $8.95 and looks very interesting. Comments, please.

Plus! Free Survey Results of Women Using Personals for SexThe Guide contains the following Inside Secrets: Replying to ads – how to get noticed and get a date for hot sex.   Placing ads – how to beat the competition and get lots of replies How to handle follow up communication to keep her interested. Examples of replies that worked on us. You can just copy and paste these into your ads or replies. Saves you time and increases your chances! A directory of the best websites for meeting hot women! Sick of chicks who are only into cybersex and nothing else! The Guide contains a list of the best adult personals sites.

A course by Jian Wang to teach you how to write hypnotic language to make others obey your command.

Arte’s New Sex Video is kind of interesting. He shows a lot about playing with a woman’s g spot (which he demonstrates on his comely girlfriend – but I could have done without seeing your dick, Arte). I will do a more extensive review after I have watched it again more carefully.

Check this out.

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