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3/20/02 5:05:01 PM Eastern Standard Time


David Update:
The mini-seminar held last Sunday was a big success.  The tapes are in
process and we got a good 7 hours of David recorded.

Here are the only two comments that I got in so far from guys who
attended.  If anyone who was there would like to share their thoughts, that
would be appreciated.  Comments would be especially nice to hear from any
of the guys who had lunch with David and who saw how he flirted seductively
with the waitress.

Prem: I was at your seminar on Sunday. The very next day, I walked over to
a hottie's apartment in my complex. I externalized my thoughts "Hi, I saw
you when I first moved in. Now that I am settled, I realized that it would
be silly of me if I didn't come over and introduce myself to such a
gorgeous woman." Bingo, she invited me in right away for a drink and a
little chat. David, your attitude rubbed off onto me and I am so thankful
for it.

Kojak: I found the seminar seriously inspiring, and David's opening and
ease to talk to made it a pleasure to be there.

Private in person or telephone consultations with David are available.

PLEASE NOTE:  This David is not to be confused with David DeAngelo of (who has posted some great stuff here under the
name "Sisonpyh"), or David Shade (of

David is particularly intuitive with regard to your specific individual
problems with certain women.  You can get on the phone, answer his
questions on the situation, and he will give you very insightful advice on
how to succeed in your particular mission.

He's had some spectacular results, and you will be reading much more about
this soon.


Problems getting these emails?  My problem in asking you about having
problems is that if you are you probably aren't seeing this question.  But
I have been having a number of complaints lately that people aren't getting
the emails.  I am working on a solution but for the time being I would like
everyone to know that unless you requested to be removed from the mailing
list, you are still on it.  So if you aren't getting it (and somehow or
other are aware of this note to contact me if you are not getting it),
please get in touch with me and I will resend what you missed.

One guy who has been on the list for a long time wrote to say he hadn't
gotten it regularly for months - I think his problem is having an AOL
accounts which seems to sometimes delete emails that are too long or
something like that.


Jonathan Ashton:
Report on the Mystery Method» San Francisco Workshop, 7-9 March 2002 (2 of 3)

Day 2. In which a change of venue brings a change of luck for almost everyone;
the Man of Mystery conducts a "perfect seduction"; his wing osculates with one
of his many groupies; and our narrator shows the first signs of skill.

For the second installation of our tale of adventure, we return to the
W bar on 8 March 2002, a Friday. In the absence of private parties, our heroes
now have a proper table to sit around and proper couches to sit on. Chris is
dressed in a very different fashion-forward outfit that I don't remember well
enough to describe, except to say he's always a character. Mystery is dressed
in a black suit and has red goggles perched on his forehead, which he bought
today for a goof. Cobra has taken yesterday's advice on how to take the
conservative out of his hair, and garners a deserved round of praise.

It transpires that Stallion told Chris that he just doesn't want to learn
pickup badly enough to push past his internal hurdles, but Chris talked him
into coming out just to watch and perhaps learn something. I'm pleased
Stallion showed up because I enjoy his company, but Myst and Chris spend too
long talking philosophy to him--trying to reframe him to a different
I think. I suppose goading students to approach is one of their honorable
duties, but I want to be armed with more routines and technique.

Mystery demonstrates his "PK [psychokinetic] routine" for us, which he
performed for the last bartender yesterday. In the field, he prepares for this
routine during his opener by tossing a box of matches on the table. Later, he
begins the routine with a long preface I only wrote down bits of. Here's my
vastly distorted version. "Do you have two pens?" He fishes around the table,
then grabs the box of matches and says "Oh, this will do." He takes out
several matches while intoning, "The human body is a giant capacitor--there's
500 Volts of potential between the top of the head and the tips of the toes.
That's because we're giant bags of salt water, electrolytes. There's no way to
physically take advantage of that potential. But perhaps the mind can tap into
that power."

By now, Mystery has two matches pointing down, side by side, from between his
thumb and index finger, and he's given the girl (here played by one of the
students) one match to hold pointing up. She is to hold the head of her match
a millimeter or so below the heads of his. "Imagine a ball of energy coming
from your body, through your arm, and up into the match." (Actually, Mystery
stretches out this sentence into a long monologue.) Eventually, when the woman
is concentrating enough, the matches between Mystery's two fingers very slowly
start to move apart, until they're pointing sideways in opposite directions.
Mystery's hand doesn't move at all.

Chris tells us later that he once did this demonstration for a woman who
exclaimed in all earnestness, "I always knew I had energy in my body!"
Ah, women. Such lovable suckers.

We go over some negs. Soft: "That's a nice accent. Where are you from?" (To
a woman who doesn't have an accent, of course.) Hard: "Can you close your eye
for a second?" Brush imaginary eye goop away. "Thanks, that's been driving me
nuts." Harder: Interrupt your routine just long enough to look at the
target's nose, hand her a napkin, and wordlessly wipe the side of your nose
with your hand to indicate she's got a mini-booger. Continue talking with the

A redhead hottie walks by with a man and an ug, and they sit down at a table
not far from us. Mystery is quite taken by her, figures it's an easy set, and
asks which of us wants to take it. I'm contemplating it, but very uncertain of
how to approach. While I ask Mystery several questions to try to better
understand the situation, Cobra the approach machine is on the scene!
Unfortunately, the male of the set is bathrooming, which means he'll be harder
to disarm when he returns to find Cobra chatting with his women. Cobra handles
it as well as possible--including the man into the conversation as soon as he
returns--and ejects soon thereafter. He's still ejecting most of his sets
shortly after his routine, rather than trying to stay in and close.

We leave the W at about the same time as the redhead's group, so Mystery takes
a shot at her just outside the door. No Indicators Of Interest, eject, into
the limo.

We go to the Clift Hotel, and the barroom is just a rotating hottie squad.
Wonderbra powers, activate! I start warming up in the attached restaurant,
walking up to two-sets and using my cologne opener. "I need your opinion.
I have a different cologne sprayed on each wrist. Which do you like better?"

I like this opener because it's very easy, it gives me a chance to gauge the
response and eject quickly if I get bad vibes, and it always gets kino really
fast! If she's the touchy-feely type, you find out. Plus, I really do want to
choose a cologne that'll be popular. I have fifteen cologne samples at home,
and it takes at least ten tests to choose between two with any assurance, so
I'll have to do a lot of these approaches. From there, I typically go back
into "everything happens for a reason?" This gets me some pleasant
conversation with some not very hot women.

I open on a cute Asian woman with "for a reason", and she replies, "Well not
exactly...what nationality are you?" I answer, and she says, "Oh, wonderful,
American men just don't know how to talk to women!" (Huh? But I've hardly
said anything yet.) She seems delighted with me, and we explore "for a reason"
for a while. After more happy talk, I go for the close, "It would be fun to
continue this conversation. How can we talk like this again?"
me your number.> "I could, but I think later you'd get too nervous to call
me."  She gives reasons why she can't give out her

Challenge time. So I change the topic, asking her "If you were a superhero,
what would your secret power be?" Some fun discussion, then she asks me what
I do. I tell her I'm a canine psychologist and that if she spent her day
chasing cars and humping legs, she'd want the best therapist money could buy
too. This opens her right up as she talks about her dog and how much she loves
dogs. I beam back happy emotions about dogs and start petting her cheeks back
to her neck--she's clearly really enjoying the kino.

I ask, "Do you think you're a good judge of your own character?" Yes. "Tell
me then, are you a good kisser?" She claims to be excellent. I pet her a bit
more, say another sweet nothing, turn her chin up with my hand, and go for a
kiss. She turns her head; not now, her friends are nearby. I whisper in her
ear, "When then?"

Long pause.


A bit later, it's closing in on time to leave for a club called Sound Factory.
When a student spends too much time with one group, Mystery or Chris will walk
up and whisper in his ear "time constraint," which means close now before you
get stale, unless you're on a trajectory to a tonguedown or more. So I time
constrain both Chris and Mystery, who have been working on their women for a
while. Chris ejects soon and tells me it was a good thing to do, but I should
have done it slightly differently. I should have first said to the woman,
"Excuse me," then whispered in his ear. This makes it easy for him to make an
excuse if he chooses to eject--"I need to get back to my friends."

Mystery's response to my time constraint is instantaneous: "Breath!
Seriously." Immediately he's facing the girl again. Oops. I _was_ using
breath stuff, but it isn't effective if your mouth dries out. Lesson: drink
a _lot_ of water on sarge days.

Mystery's on a trajectory, and continues working his blond honey for quite
time, with lots of teasing, moving in and pulling away. Eventually he leads
her across the room, sits her down in a chair, and...well, Mystery will tell
the rest of the story himself. For members only.

We finally herd into the limo. I tell Mystery how I got the number close. He:
"Doesn't that feel great!" Me: "Especially because I had to challenge for the
number! This is a close that I actually had to exercise skill for." More good
news: Grizzly has made his first two approaches.

We arrive at Sound Factory (my suggestion), but all is awry--our guest list
spot is for the wrong night, and judging by the people loitering outside the
club, the chickage is more like oil slickage. So we limo right back to the
Clift, where the hottage per square foot seems to have risen yet further.

Mystery points out a very large wooden chair (the seat is four feet above the
floor) with two Asian girls lying (yes, lying--I told you it was large)
side by
side in it. He figures they're ideal for the Britney Spears opener. "Hi. You
look like shopping experts. My nine-year-old niece loves all things
Britney--she's got the Britney CDs, the Britney sticker books, the Britney
StarterSlut Kit. What do you think I should buy her for her birthday?" Who'll
take the set? How about you, Jonathan? By your command, sir.

A bit of hesitation, then I dart around another chair to approach them from a
different angle. I reach the front of the chair, but the Britney opener's
fallen from my head and is blowing across the floor. I default to cologne
opener, which is a fatal error because I have to move to one side of the chair
so the obstacle can smell my wrists, and the target ignores me for most of the

Lesson: stay _between_ the girls! Or as close to "between" as possible. For
many reasons.

After doing "for a reason," I completely lose control of the sarge when I ask
the girls how they know each other. They tell me they work for the same phone
sex line, and they get free phone sex calls as one of the perks, and that's
they first met. The girls are now performing the routine, and I am the passive
audience. They spin their fantasy further into absurdity (it becomes a
"lesbian phone sex line"). Kind of fun, but not productive.

During the Day 3 end-of-evening breakdown, I tell this tale and Chris comes up
with the solution: "That's amazing! I'm a pimp. What you're making now is
nothing compared to what you could get on the street." If they spin fantasy,
spin back harder, and fantasize yourself into a superior position.

Back to Day 2. I sarged a single for a while. I was crouching on the floor in
front of her chair, spinning stuff and getting nice eyes. Chris came by and
said in my ear, "Sit beside her!" Good advice--but I'm pretty sure she heard
it too. I do it anyway. Eventually a guy appears, and I immediately transfer
all my attention to him and deliver the entire "for a reason" routine while he
smiles. Then I ask how they know each other.

"She's my fiancee. We're engaged."

After a pause, she says breathily, "I'm going to bear his children." Freak.

I look back at him, extend my right hand, smile huge, and enthusiastically

He smiles back, extends his _left_ hand, and says, "I'll shake your other
If you take it off of her leg."

I shake his left hand and eject.

Later, Cougar, Cobra, Wolf, and I are hanging out at a table in the lobby
talking about the Art. Cougar seems to have very good game seducing
singles--he uses ballbusting all the time, and he hits hard. He fills us in on
how he holds on to his primary while being polyamorous, and his successes with
his own version of the Natural Woman Pattern. (He's studied SS and doesn't
find most of the patterns helpful, but he's done well with Natural Woman and
perhaps Incredible Connection.) His hard style fits perfectly with his angular
face and hair. Cougar is definitely going to be a PUA if he decides he wants
to put in the time and effort. He's here to master group sets.

The rest of the gang congregates around the table and we break down the
evening. Mystery tells us in detail about the blonde he enjoyed--he calls it
a "perfect seduction"; every move was textbook. Alas, I don't remember much of
it--it was a long and glorious story. I've asked Mystery to write the whole
thing down while he still remembers it--that way, we'll have a record not just
of his individual techniques, but how they flow from start to finish.
Hopefully we'll hear the tale around the lounge.

I do remember that he opened with Black Nails. It's fascinating the way he
does it: he sticks his hand right into the middle of a group--interrupting if
necessary. Four words: "First impression of this," with a falling intonation.
If they seem confused, he follows with, "Not the big hand--the nails."

Her response? According to Mystery, she placed the back of her hand against
his palm, threaded her fingers--with nails also painted black!--through his,
and said, "I love it!"

I also recall part of his close. "I want you to think of a number from one to
ten, the first number that pops into your head. I'm going to write a number
down on a piece of paper. If you get it right, we're gonna see each other
again. If you don't get it right, it was nice to meet you and I'll feel the

She guessed right. I guess some things are meant to be.

As we break down the evening, I get critiqued for looking into women's eyes
much while talking to them. Chris thinks too much eye contact too early gives
women too much importance, and sometimes makes them want to draw away. While
delivering a routine, it's better to spend some time looking to the side. (I
presume it's good to look mostly into their eyes when _they're_ talking...but
they shouldn't be doing most of the talking.)

We learn that Chris kiss closed a groupie. He made out with a woman who
thought she was snogging with Thom Yorke, because someone else in the room
that's who he was! Chris only learned of her misconception after the

I did at least seven approaches this day, and I'm happy to be on the upswing.
Cologne rundown: Lolita Lempicka beat Jaipur today.

During the breakdown we make a friend (perhaps someone Chris knows?), ArtDude,
who sits astride one of the couches listening and seems utterly stunned as we
discuss our day's sarges. He invites us to a small private party (no viable
targets) at a hair salon overlooking the Union Square area, where we continue
breaking down while gazing at the downtown shops through transparent
shelves of
brightly colored hair care products. The hairdressers there fawn over my hair,
and ArtDude goes on and on about how fantastical and beautiful Mystery and I
are. Some charitable soul really should teach the poor creature neg theory.

. . . . . . . To Be Continued --- Day 3 . . . . . .

Dear readers of Cliff's Newsletter: I would love to hear your comments on how
you would have handled the women in this report.


> If you want to see an example of a not
> particularly good looking artist who nail lots of hot chicks. Check up
> "Naked Pictures of My Ex girlfriends" .
> There is a self portrait at the end, and it's safe to say this guy was
> nailing chicks way hotter than him
> real>. Plus it's a pretty good book.

Thanks for the info, Nightlight, however no disrespect intended, Just FYI --
the book you mentioned turns out that it's a fraud. The reviews noted there
was a disclaimer in the book that stated that the chycks featured were not
the author's ex-girlfriends, but in fact models who posed. You can view this
in the reviews towards the bottom of the page at:

This reminds of the
website which stated that everything was staged as well.


>> Josh:...and the 38 year old married woman that I'm supposed to meet
next week...  she wanted to squirt SO BAD but couldn't... I showed her a
web page and she had her first ejaculation this afternoon just by following
the techniques. She said she played with herself in front of a mirror just
to make sure it's real. In the future, I don't think I'll give away the
store like that before I actually MEET them : )
>William: Josh, How good will it feel to share this website information
with the
brothers on this list so that we can all make women experience some of this
squirting action.? Can you imagine what an interesting situation will be
created when several guys on this list make women just go totally wild with
pleasure and you can claim some credit for bringing this to them? Help us

Josh Responds: - this one has videos for sale - the best one IMO. I sent
this to a 38 y/o married woman that was trying to squirt and she was
finally successful less than 30 minutes after reading it.
These are just a few, a search for "female ejaculation" + "how
to" will get you over 10 pages of results. Good luck!


Mark B.:
I am realizing that virtually all success and failure using some form of
methodology whether it's being direct and up front or indirect and implied,
having good group approaches or doing SS well enough is based on the ability
to stay engaged with the woman. That is not walking away or giving up and
not implying some sense of finality to what you are doing. I feel that the
real key appears to be able to generate successfully some level of
staying-in-there-ness and continuity with her when you first meet and beyond
whether it's with negs, SS, group dynamics, being cocky or funny or
This past weekend three of my friends went to a club where I ended up
getting one invitation to go home with a woman for sex that night which I
declined, one phone number of a gorgeous black girl and another situation
where I kiss closed a HB9 but she took my number instead but ended up
calling the next day anyway. I also had very successful and open
interactions with other women but chose not to follow up for reasons of
general lack of interest on my part in them beyond simply testing out my
communication and interaction skills. I was going to write about each
situation specifically but I decided that there were enough common factors
involved that simply discussing the overall picture would offer a better
In the end when I thought about what I did to succeed, I realized that no one
specific line or opening or technique that really worked or was responsible
for the results but an entire combination of factors. I went in there with
the idea of just having some fun, talking to women and expressing interest
in who they are and learning about them. I made sure that my approaches were
very casual and not threatening sort of a non "pick up" pick up. This is a
huge departure for me but I am always open to trying new things even if it
means throwing out everything I believed in before as long as the results
are better then that is fine. This departure was mainly due to my struggles
from about beginning of the year until about early Feb and my desire to find
out what I could be doing better.
With this casual curiosity frame I approached a few women and simply began
talking to them about them and making comments to them about what I thought
of them all very casually. I would say "you have a lot of unrestricted
energy inside you that wants to come out". I escalated and followed up on
everything they said of significance to me by digging in deeper and deeper
into the meaning of what they said. In essence I was working on getting
inside them (literally) by getting inside them (figuratively). At some point
within 10 - 20 minutes most women would eventually bring up the topic of sex
in some way and indicate how sexual they are and how they love to have sex
or they would point to their breasts or legs to show me how great those body
parts were. The one that asked me to go home with her said "you know there
is one thing that is bad about me and that is I LOVE SEX" to which I replied
that she should tell me more and also said "you know it's important to lose
yourself in the heat of passion and take advantage of opportunities that
themselves to you. There is nothing better than being with someone who knows
exactly how to please a woman in the exact way she loves to be pleased". She
proceeded to tell me how she goes all night and how she aims to please and
how loyal and devoted she is to her man. This turned me off as I am not in
having some stalker who thinks I am the ONE just because I fucked her once.
I also sensed desperation on her part which also turned me off. Later she
said "I really need it tonight" to which I laughed and said I had to go back
to my friends.
However beyond what I actually said to these women, the key to success that
night was my ability to have great continuity of conversation and be very
easy and casual and seem non predatory by not making an open expression of
my sexual interest in the woman before she mentioned anything to do with
sex. Even when she did mention the extent of her sexuality all I did was
simply explore that and dig in deeper rather than say "yeah me too I love to
fuck and want to do you". (I guess my digging in we are really digging in)
My exploration of them seemed to make them even more engaged and interested
in talking. I made the extent of my sexual interest in them very subtly
implied and I realized that openly expressing any sexual or relationship
interest before we had a conversational foundation established was
detrimental. I found women tend to prefer this level of implied interest
until they begin to talk about their sexuality and even then it's best to
hold back the explicit expression that you want to bone her until you are
sitting on her couch and are engaged in serious making out. When she begins
to talk about her sexuality I find the optimal response is to continue
exploring the extent of it by engaging her in conversation about it rather
than suggesting you fuck her. But once you have boned her being direct tends
to work better than implied interest.
This continuity and casual frame resulted in women openly giving me their
numbers when I asked for them as it seemed that this would be a natural» step
we take as a result of casually talking together. It also freed them from
feeling like I am trying to "pick them up" and paradoxically once they were
free of the feeling that I was not trying to "pick them up" they opened up
more. In fact how I got the numbers was with the line "You seem interesting
and I would like to know more about you. How about we have a casual coffee
next Friday where you can tell me more about yourself" - implied interest
kept very casual and it worked every time. But this close worked because of
the work I set up before where I was indeed casual, made no mention of how I
would like to eat them out or anything else sexual but focused on getting to
know them. Once they felt I was interested in them as a whole (not hole)
they either agreed to a further continuation of the conversation over coffee
or suggested sex themselves.
What surprised me pleasantly was the fact how well this approach worked in a
club environment where typically women have their guard up high. Other
places I have been meeting women like malls and just being anywhere the same
approach tends to work as well if not better than anything else I ever
tried. But what really got me was how easy and free this felt. I was able to
relax and take the pressure off myself to accomplish anything other than
just be casual, escalate and follow up on what they say in the direction of
my implied interest and seek to get to know them. It took so much pressure
off me to meet, seduce, elicit states, create attraction, kiss close, get
number, arouse limbic system, be funny, cocky, engaging and otherwise all in
one interaction.


I just came across a porno web site called the Bang Bus
( I wouldn't bring it up but it seems that these 2
guys drive around and pick up women. Then convince them to have sex with
them or 3rd party men that they have with them.
I don't have the cash to join the web site and watch their movies to see
what's going on. But apparently these guys are getting action. Might be
worth it for someone to look at them.
There are like 20+ of these movies.

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