The Top Pickup Artist Forum On The Internet: Fast Seduction 101

David DeAngelo’s Double Your Dating Mailbag

“Q&A: How To Approach VERY Attractive Women” – November 29, 2005

<< full article list

Double Your Dating eBook
If you find David DeAngelo’s writing useful in your life, buy a copy of his eBook,Double Your Dating.  There is a Review of David’s eBook available on this web site, and you will also get access to David’s full product offerings when subscribing to his mailing list.

“Q&A: How To Approach VERY Attractive Women” – November 29, 2005

NOTE: OK, you might want to grab a cold one from the fridge, because you’re about to read one of the longest newsletters I’ve ever sent. And it is DAMN GOOD. All kinds of great, funny stuff…



David – After returning a rental car and getting to the gate, I had about 1 1/2 to 2 hours to kill at O’Hare. I was hungry, so I went to Chili’s there. As I was escorted to my stool at a counter, I noticed immediately in front of me, over a little divider and sitting at a table, a very pretty young lady in a bright red MISSOURI pullover sweatshirt and jeans. I could tell she was fit, despite the shirt. I wouldn’t really call her hot, but she was very well kept even in casual clothes and had an extremely pretty natural face, huge chestnut eyes and very gorgeous straight brown hair, pulled back with few highlights. The little make-up she used made her look very sexy.

Ordinarily, I wouldn’t have wasted the risk of rejection to approach someone like this in an airport 600 miles from home. But I realized it was an opportunity to practice my game. I also realized that even if it was a total bust, it would still be more interesting than reading my magazines.

Background – I am a pretty good looking 42 year old bald guy who is 50 pounds overweight.(?) This girl is in her early to mid twenties. I lean forward so she can hear and tell her, “I usually don’t sit with older women, but I want to join you”. She doesn’t even flinch and replies “Go for it.” I get over there and her waiter jokes “that will cost you $5 to move” and I tell him to get it from her. She lights up and says, “This is a lot better than eating alone. So what do you do?” I thought, “To that one already?” I told her I was a pretender, like on TV, and had been a spine surgeon, concert pianist, diamond dealer and painter, among other things. When she asked if I painted houses or buildings, I told her forgeries, Van Gogh’s. (Actually I am an orthopedic surgeon – but don’t tell her). I also told her that I was one of those guys who goes around and seduces rich women out of their money. Surprisingly, she gets it. For as young as she is (23 – the only thing I asked her about herself the whole evening) she doesn’t even flinch. She just keeps playing in my game. She is a very classy girl, from a wealthy family, well traveled, college grad, executive job for Fortune 500 company, drives a Porsche, 5’8″ about 120 lb. – not your average “girl”. And she is really sweet, intelligent, and genuine. Not only that, she often vacations at the beach, 2 hours from my apartment in the Carolinas, even though she lives in Chicago.

She is a little preppy looking, without visible tattoos or piercings (except ears), So I ask her what it means if a girl has a pierced tongue. She says she doesn’t know, but that some of her guy friends tell her “It’s really good”. So I put on this real blank expression and say “What’s really good?” and keep acting like I have no clue what she’s talking about unless she tells me. She deflects it well by telling me that from experience she knows that guys with tongue rings really have rocked her world, but wouldn’t want a guy over 21 to have one, because, to her that would mean he was gay. The whole time was like that. When she said she hated when guys have ulterior motives, I told her that was good, because while I had the same motives, they were out in the open. Then she said, I hate the whole thing with guys and dating, what she really wanted was something like (the light goes on) “This . . . with you” Then she tells me I have pretty eyes. I respond “Why are you telling me you have pretty eyes – I can see that”. We talked a lot about male-female stuff, the time [famous sports star] tried to solicit her at a gas station (not recognizing that she was his babysitter 2 years earlier), the billionaire [identifying clue deleted] who she went to school with that she turned down for marriage, because she wasn’t attracted to him. Near the end, I asked if she had a trust fund. She said she did, but that it wasn’t very big. I told her the conversation was over.

When it was getting close to boarding time, I pulled a business card out of my wallet, turned it over and wrote my personal numbers. I told her to call me when she was my way or at the beach and we could “hang out”. She said she would. Then she handed me her business card. I glanced at it to learn her first name and make a little joke about her last name. Then I looked at the back and slid it across the table as if it was unacceptable. She gets her pen saying “Yeah, I wanted to put my cell number on it”, and does. I get up and leave and tell her to have a nice trip and just make it onto the plane before it takes off. (She had already agreed to buy me another Heiny, as payment to keep me there, when I realized I had to go.)

I have no clue what will happen, don’t care too much either. I had the best two hours I’ve ever had waiting at an airport in my life. She’ll probably call about 5AM when she gets home. I think I’ll let her leave a message . . .


I only have ONE comment for this one:

If you’re reading this right now, and you weren’t at the Chicago seminar in October, then you are probably already so bummed out from this letter that I don’t need to say anything else.

Come to the next one.

It was UNREAL.

Thanks for the email. Nice work!


Hey Dave,

I just had to tell you how great your stuff is. I got your first email (ten things most guys do) and before I finished reading the list went to the site and ordered the book. I figured what can I lose, I don’t have success now and I spent more then $40 on my last date and they offer a 100% money back deal. I read it as soon as I downloaded it then read it again the next day, of course went and bought comedy writing secrets the 3rd day and read that the same afternoon. I have to tell you I was clueless before I read your book. I would naturally get a few women attracted to me when I wasn’t trying because I didn’t have interest in them and would bust on them for my own amusement. Of course when ever I got a date I would turn into major WUSS boy and due all the things I shouldn’t. I now understand and it all makes perfect sense. The best part about your system is that it’s not trying to manipulate women it’s teaching you how to make yourself more attractive to them. I still have a lot to learn but it’s only been a week since I ordered the book so I’m well on my way. WUSS boy no more. On to the success, remember it’s just the first week so it’s still minor success right now.

I’m naturally introverted so coming up with spur of the moment funny is somewhat of a problem (I’m working on it everyday). With that said I decided to get some practice with online personals. I had already posted a profile before so I went back made some modifications and started sending emails. I did ok with my own cocky/funny responses but it was taking a little to much time to write the emails… I started taking some of your examples and modifying them to my own needs. So far I’m at about a 90% response rate, and I’m only sending emails to the best looking girls on there who have obviously gotten a lot of emails. One of the responses I just got today (she looks like about a 9.5 from her pics) was:

“Hey…as far as I know I am fairly normal….I think!!! I’m kinda in a hurry so I can’t really write much right now…sorry but I will definitely get back to you Mr. Cuteness! (God this stuff is great, I’m gonna have some fun with this one!)”

Also one of the dates I went on only a day or two after reading your stuff went great. I had her laughing the entire time and even had her telling me about her sex toys. (Most women I know like to talk about sex just as much as guys so if you can bring it up in a cocky/funny way you can have some great conversation.) Anyway, on to the end. I new I wasn’t really interested in her so I cut it short and didn’t take things to the next step, but it was great practice and I got an email the next day saying how much she enjoyed herself and that I am naturally charismatic and that if I didn’t vibe her the same way she still wants to hang out. Oh I don’t want to forget, I used the you want me thing and had her blushing. Needless to say I’m about to start having a lot of fun. Thanks for giving me that great big He-Bitch-Slap and smacking the wuss out of me.

Forever Grateful (I know wussie closing),

D at the UofA

P.S. For those of you who haven’t done it: READ THE BOOK!!!


You’re welcome for the He-Bitch-Man-Slap.

We all need one at some point in life.

Glad I could help.

I appreciate your comment about my materials not being about manipulating women… but instead being about becoming ATTRACTIVE to women.

Most men don’t get this distinction, but once you DO get it, an entirely different world opens up… and all kinds of things become available that weren’t before.

Another side note: I was just like you when I got started. The Cocky & Funny comments didn’t come quickly and naturally to me.

I practiced a lot online, chatted with a lot of women, etc. to polish up my skills.

It didn’t help that I had to also FIGURE OUT what Cocky & Funny even WAS to begin with… but I feel where you’re coming from.

Stay with it. You’re on the right track.



Your material is awesome! It has completely changed my dating and it’s results! I lost a really hot girlfriend late last year, and it wasn’t until I started reading your newsletters that I finally understood what went wrong. I wussed out, completely. “I just need some room to find myself. It’s not you, it’s me.” Man you were literally quoting my gf!

But now I get it. In the last few months I have been able to get phone numbers every time I go out, if I want to. I get chicks to buy ME drinks now, and had one girl force her number on me! Gotta love that. Even some of the girls with boyfriends I hang out with every now and then are saying I’m cocky, and pull the o’l hit me on the shoulder and give me the “I can’t believe you just said that” look, with a big smile of course. Man everything you have said makes perfect sense, and really works! I got my first date from an online dating» service by replying to this chick with a very cocky and slightly funny statement that I mostly intended to drive her away. She wrote back saying I was way too cocky, but you know what? She went out with me! MUAHAHAHAAA.

I haven’t found the right girl yet, but your techniques have helped me weed out more wrong ones in the last few months than in the last few years before! And I can’t describe how cool it feels to have a stack of numbers that I will never call, but know I could if I wanted too.

I’m about to get your e-book, so I’ll keep you updated on how well that works.

One question though, what’s your deal with tea?

Thanks, CL – Dallas, TX


lol…. what’s my deal with tea?

It’s classy, cheap, and quick. And you can escape if she winds up being crazy.

Try it, you’ll like it.

Iced tea is acceptable as well, by the way… lol.

Now, you said a lot of great stuff in your email.

You’re not the only guy who’s heard those painful words “I need to find myself” and “It’s not you, it’s me”. Yeah, right.

Well, now that you understand ATTRACTION better, you’ll definitely be preventing that in the future.

I enjoyed your story about the online personal date… and how she said that you were too cocky, then WENT OUT WITH YOU.

Now you’re getting it…

And I like the way you think… you haven’t found the right girl YET, but by beginning to understand ATTRACTION you’ve been able to weed out the ones who aren’t right for you FASTER.

When you read my book, make sure and pay close attention to the bonus report that comes with it called “The 8 Personality Types Of Men Who Are Naturally Attractive To Women”.

That guide will help you understand how to keep the girl you want… when you do find her.

Thanks for the email.



A nod to the 33rd degree Mason of Women! I wasn’t sure I’d be convinced, but you have done it. Kudos, my man!

I’m 30 and I always felt that I was GOOD with women, and many of my mates have come to me for advice, but I really wanted to be (and KNEW) that I was capable of so much more. I bought the book, read it front to back, TWICE in one weekend, and went out ASAP to practice. Long story short, it works. I’ve always been C+F, but when confronted by a stunner (a 9 or a 10) I often felt as though the Force had left me. Not so any more. I got emails left and right, had a few dates, but usually by date 3 I had shelved the C+F. Needless to say, there was no date 4. And then I met this AMAZING hottie, a beautiful 20 year old with a body that EVERY guy dreams of touching (believe it!). * *We were walking down the street coming back home from the beach (only 3 blocks) and 4 different times along the way, guys were literally turning their heads to look at her, and 1 guy actually looked at her, then looked at me, back at her again and said “DAMN!” and gave me a nod. AWESOME! 😀 I felt like the man! Then, on the next block, two dudes were whistling and yelling down from their balcony at her “Yo baby, you’re hot!” and so I broke out the C+F and yelled back “Thanks dude, but I’m taken!” She busted a gut! It was too funny! Your techniques really are worth more than gold. It made such an impression on her that out of the blue she began laughing a few days later and when I asked her what was so funny, she said “I was just thinking about what you said to those guys on the balcony. That was SO FUNNY!” Constant C+F= constant sex and admiration from her. It’s the most basic math. We’ve only been together for 2 months, but she’s already told me how she has never felt so much for someone in so short a period of time, and that it really surprises her how quickly she became hooked on me.

You are the man! I’m now considering selling some of my stuff to buy your DVDs…

Peace from Down Under, JB in Australia.



I LOVE to get letters like yours. Love it.

You mentioned one of the ULTIMATE ways to handle it when other guys “compete” with you for the girl you’re with…


The thing that really screws things up for most guys when this happens is letting it take them off balance… and screw up their composure.

By laughing it off, or even making fun of the guys who are trying to make their move, you wind up coming off even MORE powerful.

Congratulations on finding a great girl. I’m proud of ya, man!


Hey David,

This is O from Chicago sending you a quick reminder to check out “The Maltese Falcon” with Humphrey Bogart. This movie is just loaded with quick comebacks for women’s tests. Awesome. Thanks so much for coming out to Chicago. Your seminar was just incredible! All of your guest speakers had a tremendous wealth of knowledge that I’m sure will be benefiting from for years to come. Oh yeah, you kicked ass too!


Ok here is a success story for ya: My roommate and I went to a bar to visit a friend that worked there. When we found out she didn’t work there any longer we decided to stick around for a couple of drinks (it was our first time there). Well, we just hated this place. The music sucked and the people there were just kids from a nearby college…The total frat mentality going on here. Not my scene. So there’s this cute Latin girl at the bar with her friend who was so-so. Anyway, I asked her if she actually came here often because this place sucks! She was just like “Oh my god, this place does not suck! My friend works here!”. Then I said “Yeah, well my friend USED TO work here and I don’t blame her for quitting”. We chatted for a bit and I made fun of her big ass and called her a J-Lo wanna-be (thanks Dave, for that one). Here is where it got really good: When my roommate and I decided it was time to get the hell out of there I asked her for her email. When she said she didn’t have one, I asked if she ever used electricity and BAM! I get a huge laugh! So I told her to give me her number and as she wrote it down I drilled her by asking if this is a number that she will actually answer. She writes ‘MAYBE’ under the number. As soon as I saw that I was like “Uhm, you know what? You can have this back, I don’t need it. It was nice meeting you, bye.” My roommate and I leave. The story doesn’t end there! Two weeks later, I get a call at work and it’s her! The piece of paper that she wrote her phone number down was the back of my business card! NICE! We’ve gone out a few times since then and things are going great! I don’t even have to call her, she’s calling me! Thank you, Dave!! You deserve every bit of success that comes your way!!

OS Chicago


This is a great story.

You’ve described a mysterious process that happens once you begin to approach Jedi level with this material.

There’s something about walking away from a woman, not calling her, etc. that triggers some sort of mechanism that causes women to call at the most unlikely times.

My experience is that there’s some kind of 2-4 week timer in a woman’s head that goes off if she doesn’t hear from you…

Again, I have no explanation for this particular bizarre pattern, but it has happened to me so many times that I can’t believe it.

Women who have guys calling them day and night will be walking through their house one evening and all of a sudden think “Where is that one guy? I have to call him… why isn’t he calling me?”.

Of course, as this begins to happen, you can take this as a strong signal that you’re beginning to REALLY get it.

Thanks for the email, and thanks for coming to my program in Chicago… and helping make it great.


Dear Dave d

My name is N, thankyou for ur kind email. I have had, for the past six years problems talking to women. Often I approach one that takes my fancy in a bar a nd she just laughs in my face, perhaps it is my mullet and novelty beard but i dont want to change my image as im happy with the way i look. I also seem to find myself feeling sexually pent up and this makes me more desperate and hence starts a chain of cataclismic problems in which i just frighten off any women by suggesting she “come back to my place”. I dont know how to leave this vicious circle of dating desperation i have found myself in. I was just wondering if you had any advice for such a lost cause.

yours faithfully

n (the potential loser)


Mullet and “novelty beard”?

The “potential loser”?

Yep, that’s a real question, from a real person.

Sometimes I get emails from guys who say things like “Are all those stories and emails you print real? Or do you make them up?”.

Well, I’m here to tell ya… I don’t make any of these stories and questions up… ever. Not even one.

I mean, could I MAKE UP stuff like this? lol…


I would just like to say that your techniques seem to be flawless. Maybe there’s an exception or two out there, but I haven’t seen it. I used to be the wuss of all wusses, but then I found your materials. Great stuff. I learned it all, but it took me a while to actually employ your strategies because I was such a huge wuss before and lacked the confidence and security to really attempt it. Recently (within the past two months) I have taken that step to actually practice what you preach, and I’ve found it to be incredible. All I needed was an attitude change. It was a lot like one of the emails you included in a past mailbag, about keeping that attitude of “next” with women. I just decided that I absolutely did not care at all how they reacted to anything I had to say. This simple change gave me the power to say whatever I wanted with women, and the whole cocky&funny routine just naturally followed suit. It’s great. Now I’ve got women who just can’t seem to get enough of me. All you guys out there need to realize that David is right. He’s said time and time again that it really doesn’t matter what you say, but how you say it, along with all your body language», and when you realize that, you no longer worry about what you say to women and everything becomes more comfortable. And when you’re comfortable, cocky&funny is easy. So go out there and bag some ladies! That is, if I don’t first.



It doesn’t matter what you say… it’s HOW you say it…

There, I said it again.

Thanks for the email. I appreciate it.


you know im not dissin you, im sure you provide a good service, but i am a regular guy and i like to do for others, especially women i like, and im not gonna hide who i am , im a nice guy who does not play games, ill admit i get played, sometimes, but thats the price i have to pay for being such a great guy. good luck and i hope that not too many meaningless relationships come from your advice, leading to a higher divorce rate.


IMPORTANT: I’ve included the above letter because I want to use it to demonstrate the attitude of a guy who is naturally UNSUCCESSFUL with women.

This particular guy actually thinks that his approach of “getting played a few times” because “that’s the price I have to pay for being such a nice guy”, is not only the best thing for him, but also the best thing for everyone else.

Notice the “I hope not too many meaningless relationships come from your advice” comment.

The subtle implication is that what I teach is bad for relationships… and that “doing for others” and “being a nice guy” are the ultimate sacrifice and demonstration of your superiority.

Well, I have some sobering news, Mr. Smarty…

Your self image of a “great guy” who “does for others… especially women you like” and who “sometimes gets paid” but “that’s the price you have to pay for being such a great guy” is, in my opinion, WAY OFF BASE.

Let’s talk, can we?

When a guy “does especially nice things for women he likes”, he is attempting to MANIPULATE HER.

Guess why you “get played”?

Right, because women can sense this manipulative behavior, and they take advantage of the perks without giving anything in return.

The only way to “get played” is to walk into a relationship with a woman thinking that doing unhealthy, unbalanced things like taking her out, buying her things, and giving her gifts is the “such a nice guy” thing to do.

Well, it isn’t.

It’s the SUCH A WUSSY thing to do.

It’s the “I don’t think a woman would just like me for who I am, so I’m going to try to BUY her attention, approval, and affection with gifts and favors” thing to do.

And finally, your not-so-subtle suggestion that the things I teach guys contributes to “meaningless relationships” and “a higher divorce rate” did not go unnoticed.

And guess what?

It’s misinformed.

The reality is that YOU are the one who is doing things that are leading to more “meaningless relationships” and “a higher divorce rate”.

Stop the insanity, man.

Women don’t want Wussies! They don’t want men who have to BUY their attention and approval.

They don’t want men who act like WOMEN.

They want men who act like MEN.

Do yourself a huge favor. Think this one over carefully. I can tell that you’re not TRYING to manipulate women and do things that lead to a more “meaningless relationship” and contribute to “a higher divorce rate”… but you ARE.

Don’t you hate it when people twist your words around and use them against you?

Well, it’s my job, so I have a good excuse.


Dear David,

You have been a god send the last few months since i discovered your mailing list. It’s been a great daily reminder and motivator. But now i have a kinda odd question. You’ve always taught that attractive women are always approached and they all have seen and heard all the lines. yata yata. BUT what if i’m not normal and i don’t chase after hot model figures, but rather a down to earth, pretty cute and nice, not to wild, doesn’t even go to bars much. Would your advice still apply. This situation kinda reminds me of American Pie, where one of the characters, i forget his name, has to go after a not so hot, plain jane choir girl. I’m sure if she was real, she would not have been approached by as many guys as a hot girl would be approached by. Does the cocky/funny attitude come off as different for this type of girl, or just kinda rude and pushy. Please include this in your newsletter as i’m sure there’s a bunch of guys out there that don’t always go after the head cheerleader type. Do it for all of us nerds.

PS, One of my favorite tips in your book was to watch James Bond movies and learn his posture and attitude, etc. Its killer, i swear its worked like gold for me. Lots of contact from females. woohoo

MO from KS


ANSWER: Yes, my advice will still apply. Now quit TALKING about it and THINKING about it and get out there and DO SOMETHING.

Find out for yourself.

The only one who can really validate this stuff for you is YOU.

Go use the materials!


Hi David,

My name is Jason. I’m one of your recent customers. I am reading your book on being successful with women. There’s a girl that I am really falling for. She’s a real sweet/nice one. She’s one in a million. Now, I read your book but it only seems to be relevant if a guy wants to find a one night stand or a little fling. I don’t mean to disrespect your writing. It’s just that I’m looking for something other than that typical dating scene. I would just like to ask you to give me some tips on getting a nice, down to earth girl, and how to make it last. I know that you’re a busy man but I would really appreciate this. I think she’s the one.

Thank you very much.


Please also recommend some books for me to….be really funny. Thanks



Look, you sound to me like you’re about to make a HUGE mistake with this girl.

My materials are NOT directed at guys who only want to get into “one night stands”.

My book is directed at guys who want to learn about how to make women feel ATTRACTION for them.

Now, if this girl is extra sweet, nice, etc. and she’s quiet, shy, and introverted, you’ll probably have to “turn things down” a bit.

But my guess is that YOU are the “extra sweet and nice” one here… not her.

You’re probably projecting all kinds of imaginary ideas onto her, and you’re probably acting like a six-week-old puppy who lost his mom when you’re around her.

I’ll tell you what…

See how well that strategy works for you, and when she says “I like you so much as a friend that I don’t want to do anything to take a chance of messing that up” (Translation: “I’m not feeling any ATTRACTION for you”), refer back to my book.

My book teaches you to be INTERESTING… to be UNPREDICTABLE… to be fun and challenging.

But it’s your choice.

You get to make all the calls in your life.

If I were in your situation, I’d be doing the things to make her feel ATTRACTION… not the things that make her feel the “what a sweet guy” feelings.

Save all that for after you’re in a relationship.

But again, it’s your choice. It’s your life. – You have to do what you think is best, because you are the one who gets to live with the results.

If I were in your shoes right now, I would waste NO time getting your hands on my Advanced Dating Techniques DVD program.

Just do it.

I don’t care if you order it, watch the whole thing 10 times, then send it back and ask not to be charged. Just get it. You need it.

[products info link]


Dearest Dave

Well, you’ve done it. Your number one on my best pal list. What can i say? About 3 months ago i purchased your E-books. About am on a saturday morning. I didn’t have much planed for the day, so i read, and read, then read some more, i could feel the change whilst reading. (realization) I could feel sparks in my head.

Saturday night i was buzzing. I was new and improved and wanted to show it. I didn’t over dress like i normally do for a night out. Just (ENGLAND) rugby shirt and jeans. I’m not sure what happened but 4 girls i had never met and did not know each other were hanging around me.

Basically i had told each one earlier whilst being cocky and funny that “I know you like me i can tell from your body language», But i don’t think you could handle me, How ever that girl over there can (Just pointed to any other girl in vicinity)”

4 Girls were discretely trying to shove bits of paper with numbers, e-mail’s, etc. in my jeans.

3 months now and i’m still in contact with 3 of them. But i may go for one in particular.

Its amazing. This is me. I’ve finally escaped from mr nice guy. I still have loads to learn and this girl may not be the one but thanks for the boost.

M .



I love stories like this one.

The reality is that we all have the potential to go out and make this happen… it just comes down to learning how to think, what to do, and how to do it.

Your comment “This is me” was great.

It’s great to “escape from Mr. Nice Guy”, isn’t it? And it certainly doesn’t hurt that women love it when you escape as well…


Hello Dave,

Who made you an expert with women? You must be a complete idiot to think that you have something as complicated as the mind of a modern woman figured out.


Yeah, you’re right. I suck.

I have no idea what I’m doing.

In fact, I’ll tell you what I’m going to do…

I’m going to stop paying attention to the hundreds and thousands of emails I get with amazing success stories from all over the world… many of which you’re reading in this newsletter.

I’m going to just give up and stop even trying to figure women out.

I’ll tell you what… good luck with your future interactions with women.

Sounds to me like you might need it.

Hey, buy a lottery ticket while you’re at it…


Hey Dave,

thanks for all the fantastic advice. No God references today, but I can’t begin to imagine where this stuff will actually take me. You rule!

I was invited to a party a few weeks ago by my 21 yr. old brother. I’m 27, so I was a little apprehensive. You know how those parties go. Anyway,the party was on the same night that I had stumbled on to your material. I grazed over some of the other success stories, absorbed what I could and was off to the races.

I used one particular tactic in that mailbag and I haven’t been able to get rid of the girl. She asked me how old I was. I scowled at her and asked, “How much do you weigh?” The whole house erupted in laughter. And the girl… well, you know the rest.

I figured if it worked on and average-joe kind of girl, why not try it on the sexy brainiacs I can never get.

Right I/you were. Now on to a question, if I may.

Very attractive waitress at a pool hall I frequent. Used the c/f tactic. Beautiful! Found out whether or not she was single. Bingo! Talked w/ her, teased the hell out of her. She even neglected her customers so she could talk to me. Perfect set up for ending it early. I told her she wasn’t going to make enough money to take me out for drinks if she kept ignoring her tables.

Anyway, I found out what kind of music she likes. Made her a cd, put some art work in the case, (I thought that by making a cd and inserting art she’d be more impressed that I spent the time making something for her rather than buying her some cheesy gift) put a note in it that read, “You’re probably not used to getting attention from really, really, really good looking guys like me. I just thought I’d give you a shot, see if you could handle me. Drop me an email. Now!” Just wanted to know how you felt about the way I handled it. I’m a relatively confident person, just wanted some feedback from the master. Thanks again,

J.B., Salt Lake City, Utah


Ohhhhh noooooooo…. NOOOOOO….

You did WHAT?

You made her a CD?


Thinking that she’d be MORE IMPRESSED if you SPENT THE TIME MAKING SOMETHING for her?

OK, go back to the end of the line.

You get a D minus.

The only reason I didn’t give you an F was because your story at the beginning was so fantastic… and I admire the hell out of you for USING WHAT YOU LEARNED.

OK, so let’s talk, shall we?

Next time, do this:

Right after you’ve told her that she needs to get back to work and make some money to take you out, say “Here, write down your email and number… and your name”.

Then drop her an email the next day that says:

“Hey, I was just checking back with you… I wanted to know how much you made last night. It didn’t look like you were making much money by standing around talking to me, and if you wound up coming home with no tips, then you’re not going to be able to take me out for a drink and keep me surrounded by the type of lifestyle that I’ve become accustomed to…”

No CDs, no art, no girlie behavior, OK?



Long before I ever knew about your book and techniques, I met a model at a large automobile and boat show. She was working one of the boating manufacturers booths. As I walked by, she told me I needed to get a polaroid with her, only $5. This woman was so unbelievably hot–from face to feet, from front, side, rear, angle, you name it— HOT!!! The most gorgeous human being I had ever seen in person, period. This threw me into funny/cocky/ I really don’t care mode without even knowing it. I politely told her I thought it was “weird” to take a polaroid together, and what the heck would I do with it anyway. We ended up talking, as the show was a bit slow due to a snow storm. At the time, I worked as a sales rep for a cellular provider, and she was in the market for a cell phone. I gave her my card and that was that.

Three months later, I get a phone call on my cell phone, and it’s her. She introduces herself, asks if I remember her, and then she proceeds to talk my ear off, non-stop for about 20 minutes. At this point she says to me, “I’d like to take you out to some clubs and blow your mind”. I started laughing, and she asked what I thought was so funny. Now bear in mind that if the two of us were to be seen in public together, it would look like a kidnapping to the casual observer. She was 21—super super hot. A genetic marvel. I was 33, tall (6’1″) skinny (155lbs) bald (on top) with glasses. No tan, no muscles, no hair, not even a good dresser. So I told her what is so funny is that her business card scoring system has a flaw in it. That I certainly remember her, but she apparently had mis-filed my business card into the wrong pile. I actually said to her, “I’m an old, tall, skinny, bald guy with glasses”. She laughed and said she remembered me perfectly–that I looked her in the eyes when I spoke to her, and that she thought I was cute.

So we got together that week, and I hooked her up with a cell phone and plan, and we exchanged numbers– -obviously, I’ve got her cell #. I never called her. What’s the point I’m thinking—she got what she wanted, a cell phone and a deal–and I have mirrors in my house. 2 weeks later she calls and wants to know why I haven’t called her. I was polite, but not concerned about it, told her It didn’t make sense for us to go out, etc. We ended up getting together, having unreal sex, and so much fun. This has gone on for 3 years, and is still going on. I rarely call her, never act clingy. She tells me I’m one of the funniest guys she’s ever met, and I’m unexplainably cocky around her.

The point to this whole story, is that not until I got your online book, did I even realize that I did what I did. I did it without being cognitive of what I was doing–and it worked like a charm. I am ALWAYS the NICE guy, needy, clingy, sweet. Always call, call when I say I’ll call, show up exactly when I said I’d show up, blah blah blah. And all these years I couldn’t figure out why this totally hot, erotic, fantasy babe was calling me, pursuing me, liking me, enjoying me. I wish I had your book ten years ago. It took an extreme situation for me to relax, not try too hard, be myself, and act cocky and funny. Here I had been leaving her wanting more, needing more, wondering when I’d call, why I didn’t call, but all the time we are together, I’m so nice, funny, attentive, but not clingy, needy. She actually believes that I don’t care if I ever see her again after every time we’re together. And I look at every time we’re together as our last–and a bonus for me.

Amazing stuff–I recommend EVERY MALE interested in women get your book, read it, believe in it, DO IT!!!!

Thought you’d enjoy my story.



Yes, great story.

And now you know!

I’d comment, but your story was already waaaaay past the “too long” limits.

You get it, and I get it… very nice work, and I’m glad the puzzle has finally all come together for you.


Hey, – Well Dave, you’re gonna be proud of me. Today, for the first time, I implemented what I’ve read fully, and came out of it with two email addresses. (I would’ve gotten numbers, but they would be long distance, so I decided against it) I went to this fall party and there was this thing where we walked through the woods, so I was just trying to be cocky and funny, and this girl and her friend starting walking near me most of the time, so I focused my cocky-ness upon them. One of them said that I needed to be at the back of the group, so I made even more of an effort to get in front of them. I constantly pointed out that the one girl (the one who I was interested in) was running into branches and falling over logs. She then at one point said something to the effect of “I smell bad” and I quickly threw in that “I wasn’t going to say anything about it”. She laughed and said, “that was really nice.” And then kept laughing. I took a couple other opportunities to bust her balls as well. Then I asked the guide or whoever to take us around again, and she was one of the people to immediately agree with me. We basically walked next to each other the whole time. Well everyone was getting ready to leave and all, so I started digging through my pockets. They asked what I was doing and I told them I was looking for a piece of paper, so that I could “expand my knowledge of people” and “get some more friends”. The one girl pointed out that I had hands (good observation, huh?) and then went to taking my hand, holding it in one and writing her email address on it with the other. Then her friend wanted to give me hers as well, so she took my other hand and did the same. Then I left with the basic idea of her seeming like she’d be a “good friend”. Man, I love your stuff, Dave! Thanks a lot dude, J D in Indiana


Yeah, you’re the man.

You know, I love it when guys write to me and ask questions like:

“If I’m talking to two women, and I don’t know which one I like, what should I do? I don’t want to screw it up and offend one of them… and if it doesn’t work out with one of them it would be cool to be able to switch to the other… so which one should I get the email and number from?”


The ultimate way to handle two or three or more women that are all beautiful and interesting is to say “You know, you guys are EQUALLY DORKY, so instead of just rejecting all of you, I’ll let you all give me your numbers, and maybe we can hang out sometime… and I can teach you how to be cool like me…”.

When you just relax, have fun, and approach the situation casually, you can walk away with ALL of the women’s numbers.

And guess what?

Attractive women know OTHER attractive women.

If it doesn’t work out with one, she’ll know ten more.

Think big, act big, and you’ll reap big rewards.

Nice work… thanks for the great story. It’s always great to hear about how these materials work in “real” situations.



Bullseye! Your e-book is exactly right! It reminds me of when I was flying for the Air Force (Trust me Dave, NOBODY is cockier than a pilot). My buddies and I would walk into a Dallas bar like we owned the p lace (shoulders back, chin up, slow walk). Guys would end up with some absolutely gorgeous women before too long. Sometimes it only took as much as catching a woman looking at you, curling your finger in a “come hither” fashion and you were off to the races. After reading your book, I realize the attraction was all about body language». We just DID it without thinking about it or having a method. I had no idea there WAS a method so I want to learn more (your DVDs are on the way). Now I realize just about all the times I’ve been wildly successful with women have to do with cocky+funny and other techniques you mention. “Oh! My hair is such a mess,” she said. And I replied, “Yeah, it is! I don’t think I can be seen with you!” I had to laugh when I read that one. I actually used that quite a while ago. She grinned, smacked me in the arm and said, “Shut up!” –still grinning. Also, every time I’ve failed miserably with a woman it is because of something you recognized as “failure tactics.” Like you, I’ve been on both sides of the “dating capabilities” fence and the women and life in general are soooo much better on this side as an alpha male». You’ve done a great job of focusing your product on meeting women but readers should know that you are selling a whole lot more than just technique. You’re selling a bit of freedom, self-respect, and relaxation. Think about it. what kind of lion would you rather be? The alpha male» that owns hundreds of square miles, never goes hungry, and gets laid, or the juvenile male who gets his ass kicked and has to hump a tree for companionship? It’s good to be the king! It’s all in the mind set.

I’ve got a question. My home town is pretty small and so has “small town women looks” if you know what I mean so I’m kind of stuck. Luckily, there is a great city about 75 miles away that I’m trying to move to. I go there pretty often especially since I have family there. Until I move, I probably won’t be going to the city just for “a cup of tea and some stimulating conversation.” But I figure on meeting my next girlfriend from the big city I can say, “I’m hanging out with my brother on Saturday. Maybe afterwards you could meet me at Juan Valdez’s cafe for a cup of tea and stimulating conversation.” Sound like a plan? What other suggestions do you have for a guy with high standards living in a small town?

Thanks, SS Colorado


You know, as I read your email I thought about that scene in Top Gun where they’re in the bar, and the guys are all in uniform picking up the babes.

The arrogance and cocky attitudes coming from Tom Cruise and Val Kilmer were the epitome of what you’re talking about.

It’s interesting that you had that experience in real life.

I’ve only known one guy that was a “Top Gun Pilot” type of guy.

He was from San Diego, and he was actually one of the instructors at the Top Gun school.

This guy was probably 5’4″ tall… but he had this attitude about him that said “I AM THE MAN”.

He was always surrounded by women, of course.

To answer your question, I think you’re on the right track.

I’ve had dates with women that lived 2,500 miles away… no problem.

Instead of “maybe afterwards you could meet me” you could say “I’m going to be in the area on Sunday… so get me while the gettin is good… and don’t screw this up!”.

The “maybe you could meet me” sounds weak.

You’re not looking for approval, remember?



Impressive material, damn impressive. I went out with someone yesterday and because she lives a couple of hours away, we met halfway (hey I enjoy the town we met in, it’s a college town and I knew if things d idn’t work out–well) The C&F worked like a charm, combined with the overly comfortable and I’m choosing you. Even though I took her to lunch, a movie and a bar, it was because I wanted to do all these things, no wussy behavior. (Still have a question though) At one point while we were having lunch she pretended to clam-up and not talk because I had teased her a little. So without a beat, I look out pretending to talk to an imaginary waitress and say, “Waitress, can I have a new date please, this one’s sour.” I hear a guy on a date a couple of tables away just lose it laughing. The whole time I was working on the C&F and the two-steps forward and one back. Then while we shot pool, she kept saying things that were sooooo easy to tie sexual innuendo to. We ended up having a decent make out session in the pool room. We’d be kissing and I’d just stop, push her away and say, “You’re just trying to break my concentration,” and then go shoot my turn. Even though I wanted to charge ahead faster than I did, I decided to work the skill set. Having the steps you listed for advancing in the e-book are the sequence I was working on and towards. Whew! Impressive material, damn impressive.

My question is how do I not fall into the Provider/boyfriend role you talk about when I’m meeting women on-line from a distance and we meet someplace. Seems kind of weird just to meet for coffee if we’re both traveling. Last question: Only two paragraphs? Some of these guys are writing War and Peace in the first paragraph to meet that rule.

Last thing, just taking the time to smell her shoulders and neck before even attempting to kiss her is something I wish I had learned along time ago. She had to fight to keep herself calm after I had done that on and off for a few minutes in the bar. Very enjoyable for the woman, me too. The whole date was like playing a game of poker where I knew every card she had and I could deal any card I wanted whenever I wanted. Nice. J.T. AR


Your email is golden.

A fantastic example of how to behave with a woman who is getting physical with you early on.

Kiss her, then push her away and accuse her of trying to break your concentration.

Pure gold.

You know, I’m trying to figure out what you’re asking me with the “How do I not fall into the Provider/boyfriend role when meeting women online from a distance?” question.

This sounds to me like a classic case of you bringing your own limiting beliefs and views to the situation… and making things difficult for yourself.

If you’re meeting a woman someplace that is far from where you and she live, then it’s MORE LIKELY that you’re NOT going to wind up as boyfriend and girlfriend, right?

So just chill. Relax, and enjoy yourself.

If you think that you HAVE to act like a boyfriend, then you’re going to wind up becoming one… with a woman you’re not that interested in.



I had the ultimate C&F “zen moment” at the end of my date last nite. When I first scheduled a date with this girl, I’d been making some comments about sandwiching her in between my 6 o’clock and 10 o’clock (quite literally, I am booked solid… hot dates for weeks in advance, thanks to you and C&F!), so she had better impress me in her allotted time slot since the competition was so fierce. Anyway, had a fun night of cocktails, busting on her the whole time, keeping her on the fine line between laughing her ass off and “omigod-did-he-really-SAY-that?!?”. We were saying goodnight in the parking lot after, and the girl literally attacked me. After making out w/ her for a few minutes I pulled back and said, totally deadpan, “Not bad… you were almost as good as my 6 o’clock.” At which point the girl practically screamed in (sexual) frustration, “You are SO DAMN COCKY!… and I LOVE IT!!!!!”

Straight from the proverbial horse’s mouth. 🙂 I’ll let you guess what happened next.

Your material has put me in the “driver’s seat” in relationships for the first time in, like, ever. I’ve now been on dates with 4 different girls over the last 5 nights. Girls are fighting over me and my friends think I’m a god… all thanks to you and those three magic words, cocky and funny. Wow. I’m on the verge of nominating you as godfather for my dozens of imminent love children.

E. in Seattle


Dozens of imminent love children?

You might want to consider preventative surgery.

Sounds like you’re on a rampage.

Isn’t it amazing how we’ve all had women we are interested in talk about other guys, but most of us wouldn’t DREAM of mentioning other women…

But, oh the effect it has… even when used in jest and fun.

Great story…

Oh, and if you’re reading this right now and thinking to yourself “DUDE! I really need to be having four dates in five nights”, then guess what?


You do.

And I’ll tell you something.

If you’re walking around right now and you have no idea HOW to get four dates in five nights, then that’s only the tip of the iceberg.

I KNOW what it’s like to not know how to meet women… it sucks.

It’s like a constant drag on your mind and emotions. Everywhere you go, and everywhere you look are more reminders of the fact that you don’t know how to attract women.

It really does suck.

Well, I spent many years of my life in that same situation, and I finally got to the point where I just couldn’t stand it anymore.

It took me YEARS of trial and error, learning, testing, trying things that didn’t work, and getting to know guys who were “naturals” with women… but in the end I figured it out.

If you want to learn all of my very best ideas, techniques, and personal strategies, then I’d recommend that you check out my “Advanced Dating Techniques” CD/DVD Program (the one that the guy above with the 20 year old model mentioned in his email). It’s taken me literally YEARS to put all of this great material together, and you can get it all in about 12 hours of listening. Just go to:

[products info link]

If you’ve gone through my Advanced Dating Techniques Program, and you’d like to learn more specifics… like how to use Body Language» to attract women, or how to master the teasing communication skill that I call “Cocky & Funny“, then go and check out my programs that are designed to help you with those areas…

My program “Body Language» For Success With Women And Dating” is designed to teach you how to create and build attraction with your body language» and voice tone ALONE. It’s one of the ultimate “weapons” in your ATTRACTION ARSENAL…

If you’d like more details, you can go get them (plus watch some great video clips of the program) here:

[products info link]

If you’re interested in learning about how to be a master of “Cocky & Funny“, then go and check out my Cocky Comedy DVD/CD program.

This program will not only make you more FUNNY, it will make you more CONFIDENT as well.

And THAT is a powerful “one-two punch” when it comes to creating attraction with women.

All the specifics, plus some video of the program, are here:

[products info link]

And if you haven’t downloaded my eBook “Double Your Dating” and the three bonus booklets that come along with it, then go do that RIGHT NOW. You can download it and be reading it within a few minutes. It’s here:

[ebook download link]

And I’ll talk to you soon.

Your Friend,

David D.

P.S. If you’d like to send me a Success Story, Question, or Comment, follow these guidelines:

1) Keep it short and to the point. Two paragraphs max.

2) Tell me what’s working for you before you ask your question. I appreciate all of the “Your stuff is great” and “I don’t need to tell you how well your stuff works” comments, but the fact is that I DO need to hear all of the specifics… because this helps other guys to see what’s working in different situations.

3) If you have a Success Story, write “Success Story” in the subject line of the email. I read these first.

4) At the end of the email, give me your initials and tell me where you’re from.

5) Send it to me at:

[newsletter sign-up link]

…don’t just hit “reply” to this email. Thanks!

This is an archive of a David’s answers to questions directed to his mailing list for his Double Your Dating eBook. David’s newsletter is a free e-mail list that that teaches men how to be more successful with women and dating. If you would like to purchase David’s book or subscribe to his mailing list, you should visit

The primary textual contents of this archive is Copyright©2001-2008 by David DeAngelo.  All Rights Reserved.  By your accessing this archive, you understand that the information contained in within is an expression of opinions, and they should be used for personal entertainment purposes only.  You are soley responsible for any use of the ideas, concepts, and content and will hold David DeAngelo harmless.  All names have been changed or deleted to protect the contributors, and questions/quotes have been edited for clarity.  By sending David a question or comment you are agreeing to allow him to use it in future articles, newsletters, and writings.  Please keep this in mind when you send your e-mails.

The content of this archive is reproduced here with permission from David DeAngelo.  Visual enhancements and search features have been added by the webmaster to facilitate the reading and researching of the content.  The raw text as it appears here is exactly as it appeared in the original context (e-mail newsletter or published material).  Products, services, or external web sites mentioned or linked to in this archive does not denote endorsement of those items.  The contents reprinted here are the opinion of the original writer(s) and are not necessarily the opinion of, nor endorsed by, the owner(s) or operator(s) of  The archive enhancements are generated automatically and there may be occasions where the visual cues don’t correlate exactly with the textual context; most of the time, though, the enhancements are pretty accurate.  The archive is updated as regularly as possible, whenever new content is available.

>> back to top

 Learn The Skills StoreStore
Learn Pickup By Watching