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Magnum Newbie     Ok, I am currently having a problem with my wingmen. First off, in my experience it is VERY RARE to find an attractive girl standing/sitting alone in a club. Generally the girls I approach are in groups of 2 or more. Here lies my problem. My group of friends fall into 2 main categories: The wallflower type who just sit there with their mouth zipped while I try to chat up a group of girls; and the loud, drunken type who will generally just fuck up my approach. The only ones in my group of friends who would make decent wingmen have steady girlfriends and don't want to play around. So this leads me to my question... Do any of you regularly work alone on groups of girls? I have tried it on several occasions, but usually it ends with the UG getting pissed off because I paid her friend too much attention and dragging her friend. On one occasion I tried TOO hard to pay the ugly friend attention and she ended up having a crush on me, telling her friend how much she liked me and fucking up a prospective relationship with a very cute girl. So please guys, with no decent wings at my disposal I need your help: How do you strike a happy medium on this? Total Posts: 26 | Joined May 2001 | Posted on: 7:07 am on May 12, 2001 | IP albert the curious Newbie     magnum, don't tell anyone this, but i think you and i are the only ones here.  but, sorry, i can't help you on this one. ----- albert_the_curious Total Posts: 8 | Joined May 2001 | Posted on: 8:40 pm on May 14, 2001 | IP Arise Newbie     Well some easy advice is : find some new friends wich might act like a real wingman. But i guess this is not what you expect to find here . Anyay , wingman .... that word means that not only u know what a wingman is , but also your friends. If u want to get somewhere with these girls then make sure your friends look and act like a wingman. Tell them about what u want from them , tell them about cooperation etc... . If they don't agree and still play the game like some jerks , then f**k them off ----- Hide your face for ever... Dream and search for ever... Total Posts: 15 | Joined April 2001 | Posted on: 8:46 am on May 15, 2001 | IP Tigerstyle Newbie     Wingmen suck as far as my experience goes... I mean some people seem like they'd be cool, but most of my guy friends I hang out with in bars are just clueless about how to do it.  The last time I approached a group of girls with a wing (who I figured would get the drill) he didn't pair off and start conversing with one of the "leftover" girls like he should have, he just stood there and watched me talk to the girl I initially approached.  I tried to steer the converstaion so that he and the girl's two friends could get involved but he still wouldn't bite.  He was being awkwark and throwing off my rythmn so I excused us and we went back to our table so I could "re-educate" him.  All he could say was "those girls were pretty cute" and other AFC observations like that.  In my mind a wingman should be up on the game.  I tried to tell him what we were doing and how we should go about it, but even though he understood at the table it didn't happen in practice.  Plus he'd go on all night about this one curly-hair girl who came in and left early in the night and how we needed to bar hop and find her.  Fuck that!  He didn't get the concept of never focusing too much on one girl.  As far as I'm concerned solo is the way to fly...   ----- TigerStyle -Life is too short to dance with ugly women. Total Posts: 45 | Joined May 2001 | Posted on: 7:55 pm on May 31, 2001 | IP Rocket Surgeon Newbie     What exactly should a good wingman do? (More specific than help you get chicks, I mean.) Is there a handbook? Total Posts: 2 | Joined June 2001 | Posted on: 10:40 pm on June 18, 2001 | IP Magnum Newbie     Well, for me the most important thing a good wingman should do is carry his share of the load when you approach a group of girls. I can keep 2 chicks interested for a while, but it when it comes down to moving it forward with one of them, there has to be someone else there to keep the friend occupied. That's why my wings piss me off so much when they sit there saying nothing to me or the girls. If the leftover friend is cool and I'm working it well, sometimes she'll excuse herself and leave us alone, but often they're jealous of their friend's attention, so they try to fuck it up unless there's someone there to entertain them. Total Posts: 26 | Joined May 2001 | Posted on: 6:00 am on June 21, 2001 | IP Tigerstyle Newbie     Exactly.  A wingman's main job in my mind should be to make appraoching a group of girls easier.  He should pick up the slack when necessary, corroborate your assertions, provide social proof for you (show that you're a cool guy and have cool friends), and be skilled at the pick-up game himself.  Unfortunately I've had little luck with wings.  All my friends who would be best at this game are in LTRs and don't go out much (and when they do they usually bing their GF). And the one guy I know who is already a skilled PUA, who incidently is a natural: he doesn't know about ASF, doesn't do the bar scene.  He so good he doesn't need to.  Different hottie every month.  What I'm left to work with is depressing.  The remainder of my freinds are hopeless AFCs it seems.  When I initiate an approach with a girl and then want to move on to the next, they ALWAYS want to stay because they can't grasp the idea of macking on multiple girls at the same time.  It's really pathetic.  Someone should write a training manual for wingmen.  I'd read it, if it would help me properly train my AFC friends. ----- TigerStyle -Life is too short to dance with ugly women. Total Posts: 45 | Joined May 2001 | Posted on: 2:48 pm on June 22, 2001 | IP Rocket Surgeon Newbie     > Someone should write a training manual for wingmen.   Yep.   I have a buddy like that I go out with, the type who's a self-trained PUA (never read anything on the subject), good at hooking up in clubs, but absolutely no help to me. It's not that he doesn't want to help, but I guess he's used to going out alone or with other PUAs who work alone. He has no real system beyond just hitting on lots of women. A couple times he was going to teach me some things, but finally admitted he didn't know how to explain how he did what he did. We end up either standing around together, or splitting up, which is about the same as being there alone. I don't think he knows these concepts; that's why I asked, since if I could learn some of the rules maybe I could train him. That might be easier than finding someone else to go to clubs with- almost everyone I know is in a relationship or doesn't go to clubs. (That last one kills me- guys who are alone who won't go to a club if invited. I guess they're more likely to get lucky watching TV. Total Posts: 2 | Joined June 2001 | Posted on: 11:48 pm on June 25, 2001 | IP PoonPirate Newbie     I haven't had much luck with wingmen either.  One night me and a buddy of mine went to a bar and split up.   Girls are rarely alone, so when I would notice he started a conversation I'd give him a few minutes and go over to them.  He'd do the same when I got something going.  I did a lot better job of integrating him into the conversation than he did for me, but it didn't set me back any.  I knew he was going to be kind of weak anyway, so I made sure to get control of the situation when I moved in.  We probably talked to 4 or 5 groups of girls and went home with two of them.  I got laid that night, he didn't.   ----- Poon Pirate Total Posts: 12 | Joined June 2001 | Posted on: 12:33 pm on June 29, 2001 | IP idlmx Newbie     if you wingman doesn't know what you want, how can you expect him to be good.  if your wingman is so busy trying to save you, you will be the only one getting laid, the thing is having a plan for both of you get laid, basically your wingman works in your interest and you do so in his interest too.   talk before the both of you go out, and if they are not learning or improving diss them.  BTW, I am in Detroit, and need more wingmen.  My cousin is my wingman, but I don't always want to hang around with my cousin, I want to be seen with different people, more interesting. ----- never trust a bitch Total Posts: 15 | Joined Jan. 2002 | Posted on: 11:46 am on Jan. 17, 2002 | IP

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