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blacklily8 Newbie     :-) (Edited by blacklily8 at 8:33 pm on Oct. 23, 2004) Total Posts: 25 | Joined May 2002 | Posted on: 9:56 am on Aug. 24, 2003 | IP Gavster Newbie     [quote]Quote: from Magnum on 5:07 pm on May 12, 2001[br]Ok, I am currently having a problem with my wingmen. First off, in my experience it is VERY RARE to find an attractive girl standing/sitting alone in a club. Generally the girls I approach are in groups of 2 or more. Here lies my problem. My group of friends fall into 2 main categories: The wallflower type who just sit there with their mouth zipped while I try to chat up a group of girls; and the loud, drunken type who will generally just fuck up my approach. The only ones in my group of friends who would make decent wingmen have steady girlfriends and don't want to play around. So this leads me to my question... Do any of you regularly work alone on groups of girls? I have tried it on several occasions, but usually it ends with the UG getting pissed off because I paid her friend too much attention and dragging her friend. On one occasion I tried TOO hard to pay the ugly friend attention and she ended up having a crush on me, telling her friend how much she liked me and fucking up a prospective relationship with a very cute girl. So please guys, with no decent wings at my disposal I need your help: How do you strike a happy medium on this? [/quote] At last someone can relate to the hell i go through with my friends, they are all decent looking but have no idea what they are doing ! they are scared of approaching , when everyones dancing they dance away from females (wtf ?) go to the same clubs week after week ! honestlty i have to start hanging out with other people if i am going for pick ups, or just be a lone ranger Total Posts: 6 | Joined Dec. 2003 | Posted on: 8:03 pm on Dec. 13, 2003 | IP Kx Newbie     Wing is a great way to disable a cockblock/even a group. Was it ug, or an annother jealous hottie friend of her it doesn't matter, coz she/they are too busy to try to stop u. Remember to alter roles so that each man can get his share. The IDEA of the method is really simple: 1>you and your wingman approach 2>wingman gets the attention of the cockblock/group 3>u get the attention of the target 4>SS to get her to a place more private 5>finish her It's all about TECHNIQUE. When u have decent SS skills, this method is everything you need in this type of situation. It requires skill from both from you and your wing. An unconfident is just considered as air in front of the girls, so u gotta be prepared. Basically: Get a wing. Make a plan. Find targets. Execute the plan and analyse from it. Make a plan. Find targets. Execute the plan and analyse from it. Make a plan. Find targets. Execute the plan and analyse from it. Etc.. This is stuff is not NECESSARY, but it makes your part a lot easier. (It's like you hit the reactor core after your wing disables the shield generator I mean.. it isn't _that_ hard. Just improve your tricks in each of these 5 steps to maximum. Questions about anything particular would be welcome ----- Stop wanting, start getting. Total Posts: 32 | Joined Feb. 2004 | Posted on: 6:27 am on Feb. 6, 2004 | IP dockular Newbie     wingmen have another use. in clubs, it is almost impossible to address a group because the music is so loud. in order to communicate verbally you must lean in to the person's ear. the wing can be doing this to the friends while you do this to the target, since addressing the group at once isnt an option Total Posts: 1 | Joined Mar. 2004 | Posted on: 4:17 pm on Mar. 24, 2004 | IP peegee Newbie     Oh wow, there's more people who's suffered what I went through just last night/early this morning.  I went to the campus pub/club by myself to observe how putting these theories to practice would do.  I think I'll come up with a BS theory on the spot: guys just want to cockblock you because they can't get any. I can draw attention by dancing.  It's almost always positive, unless I'm surrounded by stingy girls or there isn't a lot of room and I end up feeling cramped.  Anyway, I love dancing so while observing the social workings of the pub and seeing what's available, I start dancing.  A freshman guy liked my moves and so I use him as a small social proof to meet other people.  Saw some people I knew, more social proof...blah blah. However whenever I made my move on women, this freshman guy would invariably mess things up.  In his case  he dances right next to girls without conversing.  I'm more aggressive, get some intentional kino in (funny thing about kino is I always do it, but not for the purpose of getting her to feel differently.  I just find it's more natural to dance with some sort of intimate contact.  Whenever you see two coed friends dancing they have this huge personal space and rarely touch (back to me, even when I dance with my roommates it's pretty kino-filled.  They are used to it and I use them for social proofing).  So I think his presence was really messing me up. Adding to the problem is the death row people who watch me dance.  I don't frotteurise women (press my genitals on them), so even though I'm right behind her, I can control kino by touching her arms and etc.  So anyway I guess some of the death row fools thought I needed some help so a guy starts heckling me to rub up on her.  I told him I can handle it, so he shoves me into her.  So she goes 'ahhh!' and shit, and I go 'wtf' to the guy, blah blah.  Seeing that things are going really poorly, I decided 'screw it' and started dancing myself/checking out the floor. It's almost demoralising how things went.  Wingmen are not bad.  I can see a definite need for them when I observe how me dancing with two roommates and friends (3-4 girls) becomes several couples in just seconds because guys know how to take a girl who's not taken, and I'll move on to another partner.  But when your wingmen doesn't know what to do, or you get other people "helping" you, it borders on rediculous. So there's my little rant on wingmen.  I'll ruminate over this for the week.  My roommates plan to go again the following week, and there will be a bigger party this time around. Total Posts: 3 | Joined Mar. 2004 | Posted on: 2:51 pm on April 2, 2004 | IP TheChosen1 Newbie     Wingmen are a nessecary.  I only need them in the club/dancing scene.  In malls/street/beaches/while driving/gas stations, I have picked up groups of girls (3-7) easily.  Done this being funny, cocky, center of attention, rude sexualy comments, and ended on fun happy note of them all partying with my freinds. In the club however, I can not do this without a wing.  I can make freinds in the club to use as social proof, but they aren't on the same level as me.  Usually its C&B with groups of 3 or more in clubs.  Rarely do I find a group of 2, and if I do I don't have anyone to keep the #2 girl occupied.   With the wing, lay out the rules cover YOUR VERSION of the 101 player guide, establish hand signals (switch girls, leave, TALK MORE!), have a plan (first 5-10 mins of club survey, scence make short sly timid comments, find the prospects), have your props ready and make sure you and your wing can FEED OFF eachother.  This ensures consistency and hinders any fuck ups.  Start a game to boost confidence do whatever.  Your just there to have fun don't take SS to serious it should come spontaneously "10% of the guys fuck 90% of the women, the other 10% get the left overs..."   Total Posts: 2 | Joined Mar. 2005 | Posted on: 2:58 pm on Mar. 20, 2005 | IP HUBSTER Newbie     Maybe we should call them anchors because they want to drag you down. I was in a fantastic set w 2 chicks, I had them eating out of my hand for 1.5 hours.  1 chick was a total hottie & I had her laughing so hard she was crying. My friend was just sitting there most of the time barely speaking.  I looked around me a bit & chicks all over the bar were checking me out because the women were laughing so hard.  I was totally on fire. Next day, another anchor calls me saying how I excluded this friend, this is after I introduced him to the chicks. I told him that it was not my responsibility to make the guy talk, it was his own responsibility Ufff, Well I have a few good solid wingmen to go with so I'll see them more often Total Posts: 9 | Joined Sep. 2005 | Posted on: 10:41 pm on Sep. 25, 2005 | IP tony Newbie     I remember years ago being in a club, slightly tipsy, i approached this sexy black woman after some hesitation and back then didn't know about the the 3 second rule but I got talking to her! I said " so you're not dancing then?" It worked a treat and i got into a long conversation with her and i told her i hadn't had many , well no relationships and this intrigued her. I managed to get her email address even though she was married! I coudl see my friend making the 'i'm bored face' but she was still talking to me and the next day she emailed me! BUt i'm not about to go wiht a married woman. Total Posts: 23 | Joined April 2006 | Posted on: 9:03 am on April 12, 2006 | IP Stacks Newbie     MY personal rules when I am wingman. Its obvious that you have to run interference on the BFF"Big Fat Friend" or the CBB(cockblockinbitch) so I think that goes unsaid. Me and my closest buddies are all about quantity over quality this is something few in the game admit to. Yeah, sack up and bang some 4's and 5's they give some good p*ss out sometimes. This being said most of our wingman work is after the fact and giving our buddies outs. If I know that my friend is home getting his knob polished by some girl he can't stand to talk to I will call him and make up a phony dilemna. Example: "Hey Kyle, its Stacks. My car broke down on the freeway can you come give me a ride?" This gives Kyle the out when he finishes capping one off in the girl's mouth. he will notice that I called, check his voice mail and tell the chick that she has to go home because he has to leaved right then to save his friend. Now Kyle has the out if he needs it and he looks like a stand up guy because he is helping out a friend in need. ----- Drive drunk and don't wear condoms. Total Posts: 19 | Joined April 2006 | Posted on: 3:56 am on April 30, 2006 | IP

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