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Drake Newbie     Hi, As this is my first post - compliments to the webmaster for such a fine piece of BB. I am 24 old, from The Netherlands and just got out an LTR. I would like to talk about getting the girl you REALLY want. Let's analyze the following. I went to the party with a pivot. At the party I met three of her friends. UG5, UG6 and HB8. Pivot introduced us and at that point we were chillin' all together (1 guy four chicks). As you can imagine there was absolute no lack of attention of other chicks in the club. To keep it in the group, I danced with every one of them. Actually I already set my mind on HB8. I don't know why but I just couldn't figure out how to make the fucking close on this one. It seemed like I forgot every word, phrase to make a normal conversation. We just talked about day to day shit. But I couldn't get her over the treshold to get really interested in me. (Wasn't supplicating though.) While on the other hand, UG6 was all over me. I had no interest in her whatsoever. Despite the fact that my mind was on HB8, I also danced with UG6 - I did some bump and grind, ass touching all without rejection. She even asked for more of my 'nasty' moves. At some point the following happened: Her: "Can you do something for me" Me: "Yeah, speak up" Her: "Well you're very direct, I rather expected an 'anything you say...'" Me: "Yeah whatever" Her: "Don't you want to know then?" Me: "Yes" Her: "Do you want to get me a drink?" Me: "No, but YOU can get me an OJ" She got up and brought me the drink..... (I actually hoped she'd be offended, but she didn't) Nonetheless, I got nowhere with HB8, I danced with her, tried some more kino but it just didn't work. Finally I did an KC with UG6. Didn't do jack shit with HB8. This scenario happened to me before, I always attract chicks I'm not interested in. The chicks I want - I can't get them interested somehow... Thanks, ----- Drake Share what you know and live forever Total Posts: 4 | Joined June 2001 | Posted on: 10:50 pm on June 3, 2001 | IP Magnum Newbie     Yeah, this sort of thing has happened to me before. It seems to me that there is a fine line between paying a UG friend just enough attention to not come across as an ass in front of the target, and paying her TOO MUCH attention. When you pay her too much attention, she inevitably becomes interested in you, and this usually fucks your chances with the target HB, who (if she's any sort of a friend) will not move in on the guy her UG friend is into. I think the main mistake you made here was going kino with UG 6. By grinding and ass touching, you definitely gave out signals that you were interested in her. Did you try this level of kino with HB 8? You have to remember that sometimes UGs have to put out and act more flirty than their HB friends in order to attract a guy. Anyway, once you got to the kino stage with UG 6, HB 8 would have assumed you were with UG 6 and would have definitely left you alone unless she REALLY liked you and would have risked a fight with her friend. I still fuck up on this sometimes, I guess it's just a judgement call that comes with experience. The only solid advice I can give you for next time is be friendly with the target's UG friends, but DON'T go kino or give them any signals of sexual interest. Total Posts: 26 | Joined May 2001 | Posted on: 6:04 am on June 4, 2001 | IP Tigerstyle Newbie     Why is it that the hot girls always have ugly friends?  Well, in my experience, birds of a feather flock together.  The hot girls I know tend to have equally hot friends.  So a better question maybe: Why do hot girls always go out with their ugly friends and not their hot ones?  It is easy, imagine this: 1)Hot girl with no BF wants to go out on the town. 2)All her good-looking friends have BFs and want to stay in with their BFs. 3)Her ugly friends have no boyfriend so they can go out with her. 4)The ugly girls are always more aggressive because they know they will rarely be approached by men. 5)The hot girl can be passive and not be overly aggressive (even if she is on the prowl) becasue she knows eventually she will be approached by men, if the men who approach are blocked-out by her ugly girlfriends they are not alpha-males and therefore, not worthy of her. I've dated hot girls who had both hot and ugly friend, and I have seen several women who operate as I described above.  The important thing to remember is you always have options in this situation.  One thing to do is play the UG to get to the HB.  Does it work?  Not really, the UG will likely block you from the HB.  Here's the another option: Drop the UG and mack the HB. You said you came with a pivot?  Will your pivot back you up if you're trying to get with one of her friends?  Try this approach:   You to HB: "Man, your friend over there [the UG] sure is aggressive." HB: "I think she's into you." You: "Maybe, but she's not really my type." HB: "Oh, what is your type?" You: "Someone I can communicate with, and share mutual interests.  So how do you know my friend [pivot] over there?"   HB: Well, I know her from... Now your engaged in conversation with the HB you've established: 1) You not making a play for her UG friend. 2) You like girls you "share" something with. 3) you two "share" a mutual friend. If you mack the UG, and don't approach the HB you'll get nowhere.  The UG girl will become possessive of you and block you from her friends.  Look, you don't buy drinks for girls because it shows that you can't be manipulated and sends the girl the message you're a dominate male.  Not because it pisses them off, right?  That's a tactic you should use on the HB, not her friend!  The correct response to her question was: "No thanks I'd rather not buy you a drink."  By saying that she could get you a drink, you were offering her a way to 'please you'.  It did not piss her off, it offered her an opportunity to get with you. Hope this advice helps.  Good luck with it. ----- TigerStyle -Life is too short to dance with ugly women. Total Posts: 45 | Joined May 2001 | Posted on: 11:25 am on June 4, 2001 | IP Drake Newbie     Thanks for the feedback guys. First of all Magnum, I agree with you completely I shouldn't go kino (ass touching) on UG6. And I didn't have that level of kino with HB8. She didn't gave any signals whatsoever. Next time in this particular situation is to find the right balance between being 'polite' to the (ugly) friends and playing the right moves on the target. Tigerstyle, when it comes to the pivot - I don't want to use her that obviously to get to her friends. This pivot is like gold...more projects to come. I'll remember your approach though. Why HB's hang out with UG's? I see this all the time. Only plausible explanation I have is the fact that HB will be the center of attention. They crave for attention (makes them feel good, ego's get pumped and shit). The best way to attract the attention is to hang out with a crowd in which she automaticly stands out. But then again, when you, a normal type of guy, hang out with a group of nerds - that don't always mean you will be the center of attention when it comes to girls, is it? Aight Chill, ----- Drake Share what you know and live forever Total Posts: 4 | Joined June 2001 | Posted on: 2:44 pm on June 5, 2001 | IP

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