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Arise Newbie     Hi , everybody ! Does anyone know when is the best time to elicit some girl values ? What should i try to find to her so i can  try to elicit some values ? Till now the only time i see some eliciting values is in a movie : "Cruel Intentions" - a great movie i think. Anyone else tried this ? As far i think that before eliciting some values u should first create some feelings inside the girl . ----- Hide your face for ever... Dream and search for ever... Total Posts: 15 | Joined April 2001 | Posted on: 4:43 pm on June 17, 2001 | IP Male991 Newbie     hi, I don't think U have to create first feelings. With EV U create good feelings! So start as soon as possible, after a bit fluf talk. It's like kino I think. Hope this helps, Male991 Total Posts: 29 | Joined May 2001 | Posted on: 6:11 pm on June 17, 2001 | IP Vincent Newbie     Hi Arise IRL I use to approach a HB wiht a smile and a Hi and after 2-3 minutes of fluff-talk she has usually provided me with enough info for me to start elicting values. The example is, however not taken from real life, but from a highly successful e-mail seduction, but the principals is ecactly the same. as IRL!!! The only difference is, that on the net, the HB`s personal add will give you some clues about her, that enables you to start directly with elicting values ... or do they really ?? Most women don`t know exactly what they want, until a PUA shows up and tell them, what to feel, since, what to do K. “Blondie”(30 years old HB), a spiritual soul in a beautiful body. She was looking for e-mail friends ONLY. When I e-mailed her the first time she actually LJBF all the AFC`s on the dating service. She also already had an AFC BF. It was before I began to realize her spiritual potential, off cause We almost immediatedly started to exchange values and one of the first things, which she mentioned was her interest in spiritual (occult) development and also, that other people (Also her AFC boyfriend unfortunatedly for him   thought, that she was weird because of that. These two pieces of information was the key value to her  open her pulsating heart and pussy. A few more e-mails and her BF was X-ed in the most cold and decided manner I have ever known about. She threw him out in the cold simply just like that and when he desperately tried to reestablish the relationship to her, she neg-hitted him so badly that he neverdared to come on to her again. She’s all mine now. She could get most anyone, but she is happy and "spiritually" fulfilled by driving three quarters of an hour each way to be laid by her one and only Yyyyes-man, as she calls me and even if she know, that I’m frequently sleeping with other woman, she is moving to town to be available to share the moments, I am having available for her. Currently I`m experimenting with patterns. I haven`t consiously known patterns. They are all new to me, but I think, that I have always been using them or the pricipals behind unconsiously, because I have always listned carefully to what women had to say to give priority to the sides of my personality, that appealed to her. Arise,  ... try and see her, as she sees herself, listen, where other don`t listen ... in other words: Touch, where no man touch, then she`ll give you, what she gave no man before (and after !!!). I`ll be back with more results on patterns, good or bad, when I am done experimenting ----- Vince Total Posts: 9 | Joined June 2001 | Posted on: 9:28 pm on June 28, 2001 | IP Lnjsph1 Newbie     I had a quick question with elicit values. After you get her to describe the ideal guy that she wants and you know the end values, how do you tell her that you are everything that she wants in a ideal man. Do you just tell her that you are what she wants or do you do it through another way? Total Posts: 9 | Joined Dec. 2001 | Posted on: 7:18 pm on Dec. 21, 2001 | IP Lnjsph1 Newbie     Does anyone go into these message boards? WEll i have a new problem with eliciting values. Alright i'm talking to a girl right now and in our conversations i ask her how she feels and why. But how do tell her that i agree with her without actually saying i agree. For example if i were to ask her about her ideal man how would tell her that i am her ideal man. Do i tell her through stories or do i tell her through my opinions. Total Posts: 9 | Joined Dec. 2001 | Posted on: 2:25 am on Dec. 26, 2001 | IP Lnjsph1 Newbie     In my last question i want to clarify it. Basically what i'm asking is how do i make the girl feel that i am her man. After i ask her about what she feels. How Am i suppose to show that i am her man. Do i just tell her? Do i show it through stories? Do i show it through opinions? Etc. Total Posts: 9 | Joined Dec. 2001 | Posted on: 2:29 am on Dec. 26, 2001 | IP Vincent Newbie     Sorry for not being her so often I forgot my password, but I am Vincent aka PUA Dick Bellowmoon. You can`t reveal that you are her man by saying it directly, but by expressing it either indirectly or by action. Try and read in between the lines, what she like and not like in men and tell her some stories (or invent some) where you do to act towards a woman in a way, the girl you are conversating now approves of. If she f. instance is keeping distance, because she thinks you are trying to lay anything within several miles, then tell (or invent) a story, wherein a girl want to catch you, but where you politely thanks no This is just an example, but you can use it creatively by adjusting it to any situation you encounter with that girl. Good luck with her. Vincent ----- Vince Total Posts: 9 | Joined June 2001 | Posted on: 9:47 pm on Jan. 10, 2002 | IP Koudanshi Newbie     I agree with you Vincent, and I understand what you mean. Think of it this way: remember when, as kids, someone would say something like: 'I like cats' and you didn't? And because you liked them you would say: 'Me too!' They would then say: 'I was only joking - I actually like dogs, not cats!', and then you'd say: 'Urrr... me too!' Them: 'Liar!' Exactly the same thing applies here. If a woman says she likes dogs (I actually met someone who said this), don't jump in with: 'Me too! This makes me your perfect man!' Stories work best here. I just went into a story describing how much I like my best friend's dog, etc. She then DID tell me she preferred cats, so I went into a story about what one of my other friend's cat did and how much it had amused me. Accordingly I didn't have to say anything directly or even contradict myself, but I certainly gave off the impression that I shared some interests with her. Urm, I hope that made some sense! Nowhere NEAR an expert here, in fact - worse than an AFC! But at least I've started learning... ----- "Talk to the fist 'cuz the face is pissed - " Total Posts: 4 | Joined June 2001 | Posted on: 11:40 am on Jan. 30, 2004 | IP eon Newbie     i was talking to a girl last night and i asked her what she looked for in a man, and she replied with this, personality... things we have in comman, i could care less about looks, i love guys who have a sense of adventure.. and mystery,honest and they have to make me laugh and smile of  course ^ what can be derived from all that? Total Posts: 1 | Joined Dec. 2004 | Posted on: 4:39 am on Dec. 1, 2004 | IP AF Ed Newbie     Not much those are means values not end values (trance words). If you know how she feels like when she is with some who is adventurous you have something to go with. Total Posts: 3 | Joined Mar. 2005 | Posted on: 3:43 pm on Mar. 22, 2005 | IP

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