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sfblueeyes Newbie     Hi Guys, Last night online I tried to practice eliciting values and then echoing, but I did even worse than normal. I am guessing it’s because I just tried to jump right into eliciting values and didn’t have enough fluff talk.   An example of a conversion I had last night would be the following. I saw she liked Pulp Function so I opened with something related to that and we have a very brief conversation on the movie, then I moved on. SFBlueEyes: So how do you spend most of your time? Her: School, reading, writing, spending time in a park among the trees thinking. Her: What about you? SFBE: I spend most of my days wishing I had the time to spend some time in a park among the trees thinking. Her: :-) SFBE: So how do you feel when you are sitting among the trees? Her: Tranquil, I sometimes get sad, sometime I just feel empty and forget I exist. Her: What a weird question, why did you ask that? SFBE: I find that when people chat online, they focus on facts and it’s all kind of boring and mechanical, but talking about feelings/thoughts and people are able to get to know each other a bit better. SFBE: So why do you get sad? Her: I have it so good, my designer shoes and bags, and all this stuff and there are people who have nothing in the world, people who starve to death. SFBE: Yeah it’s terrible, we have it pretty good, but don’t you think that as long as you give some stuff back (donate, volunteer, what have you), it’s OK to not feel guilty about what we have Her: Sure, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t feel sad sometimes SFBE: I guess that’s true, but talking about feeling sad is, well, a bit depressing. Don’t you ever feel happy while your out there in the Sun? Her: Sure, sometimes SFBE: And what kind of things do you think about that make you feel happy? Her: I’d rather not share, it’s personal. Her: Too personal Her: Umm … I get a message that she has closed her IM window. So I am guessing she wasn’t willing to share her happy stuff with me because we didn’t have enough rapport or she just had issues, but it caught me off guard when she said it was a weird question and why I asked the question. Besides the lack of rapport, was my technique bad, was I too direct? Any ideas, critiques or advice? Thanks, SFBlueEyes Total Posts: 1 | Joined Oct. 2006 | Posted on: 4:33 pm on Oct. 13, 2006 | IP toub Newbie     hey man whats up ? excuse my bad english maybe i PUA should give you advice, but i'll start the thing so just that you know, i'm a RAFC so i'm learning this stuff just as you man i don't think your technique was bad at all, but i think it was bad for that one girl maybe she's more into sex!?!? and also i think you moved to fast. you gotta create some rapport first i think with more fluff talk and then move on to the elicting values and pattering or she will blow you off thinking its to personal when there is no rapport... so first approach, the movie thing was okey, then create some light rapport with fluff talk, remember her trance words and use them to start the EV... man you'll see soon enough if she's into that feelings stuff or more into sex, if she's more into sex then go KINO and try GM, yeah but i think going KINO over the net is hard to do :P and buddy don't mind at all, maybe she had a bad day, it's not your fault, it's her fault she losed you, but learn from some mistakes you made (Edited by toub at 11:36 pm on Oct. 16, 2006) ----- We love a lot of things in the hood But time goes on... and if we don't change a lot of shit Shit always gonna be this way, and that's a muthafucka fact! Total Posts: 2 | Joined Oct. 2006 | Posted on: 5:31 pm on Oct. 16, 2006 | IP

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