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Basic Newbie     Right now, I'm a recovering RAFC, still lacking most PUA skills, but I'm getting there.  About 6 months ago I ended a friendship with a girl that I liked, who I did all the typical AFC things on, paying for her, complimenting her, etc.  It really makes me sick looking back on it what a chump I was.  I discovered the PUA online community shortly after that.  Now I'm wondering, suppose I had discovered the PUA community while I was still involved with her, would it have been doable to completely turn things around with her, or do you think that once you're embedded in someone's head as just a friend, that running game on them is just not going to work.  The reason I ask is because I have a few hb female friends, who while I didn't pull any AFC style moves on them, my general lack of game over the years prevented anything from ever happening with them.  So just wondering if I should mentally next all of these girls, or consider them potential mates.     Total Posts: 3 | Joined April 2006 | Posted on: 9:05 pm on July 24, 2006 | IP Mean Newbie     There is no problem with taking a shot at them. Userly you need to start with giving them som space first. Like 2 moth or something. Then you can come back reinvented. Total Posts: 41 | Joined Aug. 2005 | Posted on: 5:17 am on Aug. 4, 2006 | IP BoatMyster Newbie     Mean is right, to an extent. If you're going to attempt an about-face, you should only keep in light contact with them for a month or two, and then reemerge while involved with another girl(s). Girls will sometimes look at a guy differently after she sees another girl attracted to him. Even then, your future with them may be doomed. Imagine that you have two relationship ladders, one is the friend ladder, and the other is the mate ladder. Men don't usually have a problem with jumping back and forth from ladder to ladder with certain girls. Women, on the other hand, once you get past a certain rung on the friend ladder there may be no turning back. Clearly some exceptions apply, but it is a pretty steadfast and frustrating rule of women. If you haven't really spoken with these girls a lot, or hung out with them individually, then there's a chance you haven't moved high up on the friend ladder. In this case, you may not have to break contact for a little while as previously mentioned, and you can see if you can run some successful game on them. Don't underestimate the usefulness of female friends though. They can help you look good, smell good, dress well, decorate well, and are always avenues of meeting other girls. It's always helpful to have a couple of them lying around    If you're not sure if you've moved too far into the friend zone with a girl or not, just go for it. Unless these girls are very close friends of yours, you've got little to lose, and a ton to gain. (Edited by BoatMyster at 5:53 am on Aug. 4, 2006) ----- If you don't love what you're doing...it isn't worth doing. Total Posts: 9 | Joined Aug. 2006 | Posted on: 5:48 am on Aug. 4, 2006 | IP

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