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Groucho Newbie     I don't know if this is the right forum for this, but the name seemed fitting. I have a small story to tell. I was using SS on this girl for about 5 days, less than a week and i was sure i was in, i had worked the patterns and everything right, using eye contact and winks etc, and lots of subtle kino. Yesterday we went to a formal dinner dance and i was getting all the signs, she even said we had to dance at the party afterwards. At the after party, i felt sure i was in, when i greeted her, she hugged me (short hug of course) and as she did so i ran my hand down onto her arse and let it linger there, and she made no resistance. So, I was 100% certain by now and as the night progressed, she was tired, so i got her up and on teh dance floor, but a slow movement , not even dance, where we were in eachother arms. Ever so slowly i utilised kino and whispered in her ear, and as i moved to (what would have been) a kiss, she said in my ear 'no, don't' and i was like 'have i been reading this wrong?' i asked her why. She said 'we are friends'. First of all, as far as i am concerned, men and women cannot be friends, so that excuse is always bullshit. I was so confused. To make matters worse, after this she actually hooked up with a guy (decidedly better looking and more smooth) who she is actually good friends with, better than me. This kind of hypocrisy angers me, and i know i will just move on because she is not worth it but my night was ruined after that. I did try out some other girls, but there was no success either. Any troubleshooting tips or Comments? My theory now is that i was doing everything right, and she was actually seduced but somehow rationalised in her mind that it can't work out because we are friends. Which i don't think we are, but should not matter anyway. I couldn't very well go ahead after she said 'don't....i mean do actions speak louder than words or does no mean no? ----- 'I make no excuses for my desires as a man. I move through the world without apology' Ross Jeffries Total Posts: 9 | Joined Dec. 2001 | Posted on: 6:58 am on Dec. 8, 2001 | IP Videodrone Newbie     Arr i feel yah man... been there, done that, moved on... (try having the girl "accidentally" rub ure pecker a few times, and THEN do that to you...) I suggest you do the same, theres plenty more, so just pick a better one, lol. ----- -Aaron Chamberz Total Posts: 17 | Joined Mar. 2002 | Posted on: 5:10 pm on Mar. 19, 2002 | IP Traveler Returns Junior Member     Hey Groucho, You posted a while ago, so this may be response more for the benefit of others reading his tale. I thought this would be a great place to talk about geographic strategy. In the world of romance, situations are everything. When we talk about geography here, we are talking about places still, but we are also talking about situations. For instance, is it better to have that first date in a quiet restaurant or a party filled with lots of competition and distractions? I hope you are seeing where I am going with this. Groucho, I noticed a few telling signs that while you used some great ss, you also made some major bungles that set you up for failure. 1-If she said you two are friends, you didn't state your intentions before this date. Guys, I almost NEVER recommend going to a party, dance, night club, or other place where there are a lot of distractions and chances for you loose your lady. Also, in such environments, chances re good your natural hunter's eye will wander to other women and give her ammo to attack you. If you are taking a lady into such a situation, make sure you have enough trust in each other that you feel no kind of insecurity. Unless she is a one-year plus loyal GF or your wife/fiancee, these situations are a recipe for disaster for many reasons. Remember guys-the first 3 months (if YOU CHOOSE to let it go on that long) you are under the microscope-even if it doesn't seem that way. Do not put yourself in situations where you might step on a landmine and more importantly, don't take her to places where your ss brothers might have the opportunity to try their techniques on her. This should be common sense, but I have seen way too many guys post about situations like this. Now some of the younger forum members might ask about dances, proms, etc. The answer is a little more complicated here. Proms are like weddings in the sense that some women have given themselves immunity from prosecution for acts of wonderful depravity (in other words, if something whild happens during prom night or even prom week or if she is even thinking about it, she won't have as much guilt and grief from other women). If you are an AFC and this is a "big night" at a very early stage in your relationship, I highly recommend a date or 2 before the prom so you feel more comfortable with her and she with you. If you build this night up really big and it ends with a kiss on the cheek and a carefully placed LJBF statement, you will be crushed. If you go to the prom and don't know where things stand, I recommend you use the James Bond strategy: Her-I understand you don't have a date for the prom yet. Would you be my date for the prom? You-- As "friends" or would you say it's a date? Her--(Waffling) Well....as friends, I guess.... You-(Doesn't matter to you!) That's OK. I still might let you take advantage of me (laugh), but I wanted to make sure you don't think I'm easy. Now dudes, I call this the James Bond method, because in reality, you are attending the prom "stag" with a date.  Don't be rude to her, but definately make it a point to have fun with other women there (dance with the prom queen, the court, and every woman you ever wanted to sleep with who is there!). I guarantee your date will feel competitive and may change her mind about things when she realizes you are an ss pro. Even if she doesn't, all the people at the prom will remember how cool you were. Just make sure you dance with your "friend" more than anyone else, or the story will be what a jerk you were. Cheers, The Traveler Total Posts: 75 | Joined April 2002 | Posted on: 8:47 am on April 26, 2002 | IP ex afc2 Junior Member     Thanks for that Traveller, good to see some experience members around so i can pick your brain. :D cheers Total Posts: 58 | Joined April 2003 | Posted on: 5:49 am on April 29, 2003 | IP dman Newbie     Girls in general do not wish to feel like sluts. as such they tend to put up resistence if not done right don't worry, possibly was just the wrong moment for it. over time you will get better at sensing the right moment. at the time you should have just continued on gaming her and tried again later. and then afterwards move along and be gaming others Total Posts: 11 | Joined April 2006 | Posted on: 10:33 am on Sep. 25, 2006 | IP

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