“Re: Latest MLTR theory. was: NYC: giving numbers vs scarcity” (by MrSex4uNYC) | PUA Archive | alt.seduction.fast

> Some questions about MLTR and NYC's particular application of Sven's
>theory:
>
> I have a GF and go out and do PU on a regular basis with the mindset
>that NYC describes in his posts about his MLTR (Sorry NYC, just using you as
>an example. I am sure you will totally shred my post to pieces if I presume
>to interpret you view incorrectly) .

my view is not important. what is important is what it means to you and how
you apply it in your own life using your own skills and strengths. you can't
speak for me like I can't speak for you. I will comment on your comments
though

>Unless I pick her up, have sex with
>her, and then add her to the woman I already have(my GF) I still only have a
>LTR and not a MLTR.

the way I understood the post and applied it to my personal life, MLTR is
DYNAMIC. it is not STATIC. what I mean by that is that whether or not there
is one chick or two or three or eighteen chicks involved... it is STILL MLTR.
if you don't see it that way, then when you are down to one chick, she will
BELIEVE that she is LTR with you, when in fact she is not. she is temporarily
the only chick you are seeing at the time, but that does not mean that later
tonight, you are not going to go out and meet another chick and begin a
relationship with her as well. to me, LTR is a state of mind COMPLETELY
SEPERATE from MLTR. when a guy is looking for a LTR, he is looking for ONE
GOOD WOMAN. he has a set of needs that he wants fulfilled, sexual or otherwise
and he chooses the best chick for the job. MLTR is more like being single, but
ACCEPTING a certain caliber of woman into your life on a special level. to
relate it to AFC-life, think of it this way...

you know the many many chicks that you know that you are not fucking? well...
there are several of them (M = multiple) and there is a hierarchy. some of
them you know by face, but not by name. some of them you know their names, but
don't socialize with them. some of them you socialize with, but you don't have
their number. some of them you have their number, but you don't call them when
there is a party. some of them you call when there is a party, but not to
shoot the shit. some of them you call to shoot the shit, but not to talk about
important things in your life. some of them you go places with on a regular
basis. some of them, you take out to dinner so the two of you can be alone...
this is how it is in MLTR. you are OPEN to the possibilities of ANY woman that
interests you in ANY way, but you still recognize the levels of value and
importance. just because there is only one girl that you take out to dinner
doesn't mean you aren't going to take another one to the carnival. it also
doesn't mean you aren't going to the beach and meeting NEW BITCHES altogether


LTR means that there is one chick that is aligned with you. in order for
another chick to enter LTR with you, the current girl has to VACATE the
position, or you have to kick her out first. MLTR means that your PRIMARY gets
the BEST of your time... NOT because you PROMISED it to her, but because she is
the BEST GIRL THAT YOU KNOW FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO DO RIGHT NOW. even if you
have ONE MLTR and several satellite bitches, if you meet another one worthy of
a higher status or perhaps REPLACING your primary as your best girl, you are
immediately open to that. there is no "I have a girlfriend" involved. you are
not taken... but you are not single either

look up POLYAMORY for a better understanding

>In this case I would have a GF and I still meet and
>talk to new women, get their numbers, chat online, meet for lunch, etc. but
>it is not a MLTR because I am not fucking them in an ongoing sexually
>centered polyamorous relationship.

oh really? what if one of your "talk to, get her number, chat online, meet for
lunch" bitches wants you to fuck her? hmmm? are you going to say "no. I
have a girlfriend"? or are you going to fuck her? assuming that you ARE going
to fuck her, that IMMEDIATELY means that you are fucking two girls at the same
time. what happens if you LIKE fucking her and you do it again... and again?
now you are fucking two girls simultaneouslty... assuming you don't dump your
girlfriend when you find better pussy. what are you in now? is it MLTR yet?
what happens when you are fucking three girls simultaneously? is THAT MLTR?
what happens when you find out on the phone or online that a new chick has more
in common with you than your GF? what happens when you are spending more time
with the new chick doing platonic things and you are now only getting with your
GF to fuck? is THAT MLTR?

assuming that you ARE NOT going to fuck her... what do you do all that other
shit for then? why do you have a girlfriend at all if you need to talk to and
hang out with all these other bitches?

MLTR is a state of mind. it is not a PHYSICAL OCCURRANCE. if you are fucking
one girl, you can either be in LTR or MLTR depending on what you are going to
do WHEN you meet the next girl. if you don't think there is a difference, tell
your GF that you are now going to be fucking another girl 3 days out of the
week you will be DUMPED because you did not sell her MLTR... you sold her
LTR and you told her that you were the type of guy to fuck one girl at a time.
OR do this... tell her that you are going to fuck this other girl now, so your
GF is LJBF and you can still hang out as friends, but she doesn't get any more
dick... see how THAT goes over

>I only have the attitude that if I meet
>someone better I will dump my GF and replace her with the new better one.

you TOLD her that? or that's what you are going to do?

>So this is not MLTR, right?

IMO, what you just wrote is NOT MLTR... it's SERIAL MONOGAMY!

>Instead it is just selecting the best female
>you meet and making her your primary (or ONLY chic you are fucking) GF?

if you are only interested in FUCKING one woman, then you don't NEED MLTR
you are in LTR and you have female friends. you would only be in MLTR if you
are interested in fucking whichever women that you meet that pass your screen.
fucking one girl and quitting her to fuck another one is something completely
different.

> I mean a true 100% pure MLTR seems pretty hard to balance out with most
>women. It is a fine balancing act to pull off, I guess that is why only the
>best can do it. NYC's version seems practical and realistic (like all of
>his advice, by the way).

if you read the post that I read, which is now reposted on the NG, you will see
that Sven covered this as well. as you find more and more in common with ONE
chick, and the sex is the same, you will end up spending more time with the
cream that rises to the top because you can do more (non-sexual activities0
with her and STILL sex her when you feel like it. believe me... it is a HASSLE
switching girls I would rather have ONE that I like to go to the movies
with AND go out to eat with AND fuck, than one that is good for movies and
fucking and another that is good for going out to eat and fucking... just as an
example. for me, personally, I select chicks on how much value I get out of
them AND how few NEGATIVES I get in the package. I would rather fuck a girl
that looks hot and is intelligent than a dummy that I can't stand to hear talk.
I would rather fuck a girl that looks hot and has a good personality instead
of a crabby bitch. when you add up the positives and negatives, you will lean
towards spending the most time with the BEST chick, and the others will have to
increase their value to you or accept that they lost the competition to the
better woman

then again... there are some of us that would LOVE to have several bitches at a
time... maybe even all of them in the same bed together that is a different
form. you are talking more about serial monogamy than MLTR. I don't think you
are interested in MLTR at all, since you said that you are open to fucking the
best bitch you can get at the time... instead of keeping the one you have now,
and STILL fucking the next bitch

>Example:
> I have a MLTR such as you have described below (ONE primary chic and
>OTHERS on the back burner, so to speak, in case my PRIMARY fucks up or I
>meet a new better PRIMARY) and she thinks I am monogamous.

BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! wrong answer

if a chick thinks you are monogamous, you are NOT doing MLTR IMO. I mean, by
the technical definition, if you have TWO SEPERATE GIRLFRIENDS that think you
are only with them, you ARE in a multiple LTR, but you are not fully
self-expressed. you are HIDING. you are LYING. there is nothing wrong with
this because this is not alt.seduction.morals, but in that case, I would credit
myself as a good LIAR and DECEIVER instead of a PUA. having two girlfriends is
as easy as having ONE girlfriend that you see twice as much :/ if you are
fucking two girls twice a week, it's the same thing as fucking one girl four
times a week... or fucking four girls once a week :/ so the fuck what? who
cares? where is the PUA skill? is it that you PUed two different bitches and
talked them into a relationship? so what? everyone here has PUed two bitches
at some point in their careers some AFCs have REPORTED getting numbers off
of several bitches SIMULTANEOUSLY! how hard is it then for someone who knows
what he's doing to meet two different bitches on different days and claim to
both of them that he is their boyfriend?

> In *HER MIND* she knows I meet and talk to other chics but she also
>believes that I am faithful her to her sexually and wouldn't violate that
>faith unless she fucked up or I met someone way better than her and left her
>for the new woman. She expects me to fuck her and ONLY her regardless of if
>I flirt with other women etc.

I find your arrangement with your TEMPORARY GF very interesting how exactly
did you set this up? did you tell her "look. I like you. I want to fuck you.
I am going to keep meeting pussy allright? when I find a better one, you will
never get dick from me again. do you understand your rights as I have
explained them to you?" WHAT KIND OF LTR IS THAT? hehe I am not going to
cheat on you, but I am working EVERY DAY on finding a better bitch so I can be
through with fucking your temporary ass hehehe

> In *MY MIND* I have incorporated NYC's definition of MLTR (as you have
>explained in detail in previous posts and I have summarized (correctly?) in
>the above paragraphs.

nope. serial monogamy... with her own hand on the guillotine...

even I offer more than that. girls KNOW I am not going to dump them just
because I find another bitch to fuck. heh

> BUT IN REALITY this is a only LTR WITH ATTITUDE and not a real MLTR
>because there is ONLY ONE female GETTING FUCKED regardless of my attitude of
>how easily she is replaced or what not.

that's right. LTR with ESCAPE CLAUSE this is her sex life... and it's
ending one minute at a time. she is NOT a special and unique snowflake. she
is not her job. she is not how much money she has in the bank...

> A PIMP is closer in line with what a real MLTR is than any monogamous
>relationship.

that's absolutely right. monogamy has NOTHING to do with MLTR. MLTR is being
single, yet accepting certain women into your life on a regular basis, yet not
an EXCLUSIVE basis.

>In the pimp's situation all of the women know about each
>other AND make him money (not that I agree with pimping women for money).

right. there are no illusions that he is only with her. they can SEE the
other bitches right there. he told them in the beginning who he was (or
perhaps AFTER he got her hooked on heroin) so there is no astonishment when he
brings her home and there are other bitches there already.

>The pimp has his group of girls that all live with him and wash his clothes,
>cook his meals, polish his nails, buff his shoes, etc. (thinking of scenes
>from that pimp movie: American Pimp, or Pimps Up Hoes Down(?) ). After they
>sit around gossiping all day they get out on the street and make the pimp
>some cash. Now I am not trying to say that MLTR is PIMPING or should be or
>anything like that. All I am saying is that pimping is more closely aligned
>with the true idea behind MLTR.

it is more closely aligned. now, take the situation of a girl getting what she
wants out of a relationship and having a man in her life that does all this for
her... but she DOESN'T have to sell her ass or suck anonymous dick... she
DOESN'T have to wash clothes, cook meals, polish nails, buff shoes...
NOTHING... except accept the fact that she is NOT the only woman in his life.
also consider that ACTUAL HOES have nothing better to do. they ENJOY being
with that pimp. if you can extract the beatings and all that other shit, she
either likes how he looks, or she likes living in his apartment, or she likes
how he fucks her, or she likes the drugs he supplies her... there is SOMETHING
(besides her mental deficiencies and LSE) that makes her stay with this pimp.
it is the same thing in MLTR. you can't pull it off unless you can please the
girl(s) that you are with. you have to have something that makes them BELIEVE
that having 30% of you is better than having 100% of the next man

> In a good MLTR you have several (3, 4 , or more) women that you are
>fucking (sex is a mandatory condition here)

of course

>in a sexually centered
>polyamorous relationship. It seems that all of the girls that make up the
>MLTR have to have a SEXUALLY CENTERED relationship to the man because HE
>DOESN'T HAVE TIME to spend doing things that guys in monogamous
>relationships has.

this is why you should understand that the cream rises to the top. there is
not enough TIME in a day to talk to several bitches on the phone, eat lunch
with several bitches, go to the movies with several bitches... the better ones
remain and the weaker ones fall off. eventually, you end up with one that has
the MOST value to you, and several others that you are still involved with, yet
they receive MUCH LESS of your time.

>The guy with the MLTR has very little time at all beaus
>he is onto the next rotation of his MLTR in the morning or later that day.

now you are talking about another different relationship-type. this is what
happens when you don't have a PRIMARY. the PRIMARY is the one that gets the
best stuff and the best of your time. if you are going to have a relationship
where you have to rotate bitches, you're better off spending time with ALL of
them at the same time, or you are going to run out of time in the day to do
anything else but fuck with bitches. in that case, you'd BETTER have them out
on the street making you money, because you're not going to have the time to do
that yourself. the POINT of MLTR is that you can do what you want when you
want with your selection of QUALITY girls. this is different from being
restricted to fucking ONE quality girl or being able to do whatever you want
with several bitches that failed screening and aren't worth a damn. you CAN
spend time with all of your MLTRs if you WANT TO... but you aren't REQUIRED to
because they know that you have a primary, and it's not THEM!

>The guy in this situation can't be bothered with doing the regular things
>that guys do with their GFs like meeting her family,

meeting her family? I never meet bitches' families hahaha for what?

>grocery shopping,

they do the shopping, you do the eating. they have to keep your energy high
for fucking

>going to the bookstore,

are you going to fuck them or read to them?

>taking her little sister's to the amusement part, etc.

you can do this anytime you WANT TO because... YOU ARE RUNNING THE SHOW!
think of MLTR as being single with several women AVAILABLE IF you want to spend
time with women you already know. if you don't want to do that, you can spend
time alone, with your friends, or meeting other bitches. it's all in the
setup. you can NOT be penalized for NOT taking someone somewhere because YOU
set the rules. if you want to do it, you do it... if you don't want to do
it... it doesn't happen... if she doesn't like it... she can be replaced by the
next bitch you are fucking. does that make sense?

>because he has his own life to manage AND get with the next woman who comes
>into ROTATION in the MLTR FERRIS WHEEL.

you are assuming that the girls have POWER in the relationship that they do not
have. imagine even you... when you meet better pussy, and it comes time for
you to dump your girlfriend, how much say is she going to have in the
situation? NONE! she has no leverage... no POWER because you already have
more of what you want her for. she represents NOTHING to you... an INFERIOR
model of the same product even you will not take her sister to the
amusement park because there are NO CONSEQUENCES if you don't do it. all she
can do is leave you... and you've already LJBFed her... so who gives a fuck?

> The MLTR is like a Ferris wheel (for those that don't know what a Ferris
>wheel is: do a search!). The guy gets in a carriage and takes a few trips
>around the wheel and then gets off. BUT he has to get right back on again
>into the NEXT carriage that is waiting with one of his other women that
>compose the MLTR.

think of one carriage as your current girlfriend. then imagine the future when
you meet better pussy and your current girlfriend is your LJBF/ex. now, when
you look at your girlfriend, you can see that she is nothing to you and you
lose NOTHING by displeasing her, so you don't have to get in her carriage. you
don't have to please her. all she can do is leave you and take ZERO value out
of your life. same thing with MLTR. when a chick leaves, she takes her pussy
with her... but by definition, you have MORE. who cares? bye! there is no
obligation for the PUA to supplicate in order to passively please his women...
he has to ACTIVELY please them sexually and otherwise. you are giving the
bitches too much importance as if they have a 50/50 relationship, when you
yourself are in a dictatorship where your girl gets booted as soon as you find
better pussy. did you ever stop and think that she LIKES getting fucked by
you? did you ever stop and think that she would rather be ONE OF YOUR BITCHES
than fuck some other guy... or even worse... be ALONE? did you ever think that
you don't have to stop fucking her to start fucking the next, better bitch?
MLTR is about POWER, VALUE and CHOICE.

>So it doesn't make sense to refer to a one woman in your
>MLTR as 'THE MLTR'. She is only PART of the MLTR. She is only part of a
>larger whole.

semantically, you are correct. there is no such singular person as "my MLTR".
it is better said "my PRIMARY" which you will still attempt to debate if there
are no other chicks involved at this point in time, but I hope you see now that
MLTR is a state of mind... a state of being that allows you to choose what you
will do with the next bitch from your own desires instead of social constructs
like "girflfriends" and "wives".

>If there at least three women that make up the MLTR then if
>she leaves the MLTR or is banned from the MLTR by the guy, the MLTR still
>remains intact. The difference is that now there are only two women that
>make up the MLTR instead of three. TWO is the magic number. If it drops
>below two then you no longer have a MLTR, just a LTR.

yes you do. as soon as there is another chick, she is added in to your life
IMMEDIATELY. you CAN NOT DO THAT with LTR... unless you are a cheater... and
you CERTAINLY can't introduce one to the other, because then you will be
revealing that your girlfriend is not really your girlfriend... just one of
several.

> This is a tough thing to accomplish. It can be tricky enough to
>convince just a few women to have sex with you in a short interval of time
>much less let them know about each other and agree to be part of the
>rotation.

there IS no rotation. you do what you want when you want... just like when you
were single. think back to the time before you got a girlfriend... when you
had no pussy on demand at all. do you remember how you felt being at a party?
do you remember how FREE you felt to fuck ANY bitch you got your hands on that
night? do you remember the excitement of scoring a new bitch instead of
knowing that regardless of how much flirting you do tonight, you have AGREED
(read: handed over your personal power) to only fuck one girl until you dump
her? when are you going to dump your girlfriend? as soon as you are ready to
fuck the new pussy? will your girlfriend kiss you goodbye as you go off to a
friend's party and wake up DUMPED because you fucked a better bitch last night?
does she go to sleep every night wondering about the status of your
relationship? has she told you ANYTHING about how she feels being "temporary
pussy?"

>NYC has gone into great detail into this aspect ( of why they
>would agree and how to get them to agree) in a very thorough way.
>
> So I am just trying to figure out what is the best way to use Sven's
>MLTR theory.

HOWEVER it feels congruent with who you really are as a person. if you are
into serial monogamy, keep doing that. if you are into threesomes with hot
bitches, do that. if you are into lying and conniving bitches into fucking
you, have a few simultaneous girlfriends that don't know anything about each
other. I am not putting down that lifestyle because I used to use it myself...
however, I ALWAYS had a primary that knew everything I was into because I
couldn't afford someone telling her about other bitches I was seen around town
with. the rest of them could go, but my primary was always important to me for
relaxation and looks, so she knew what was going on and the rest were in the
dark. all I am saying about that style is that I would NOT claim PUA skills,
but I would claim skills at LIES and DECEPTION... which is a part of this game
anyway

>In its pure form MLTR is like a high wire balancing act

no it is not. read it again. it is more like a filtering process. more value
= more time. less value relative to other chicks = less time. under a
particular threshold less time -> NO time. YOU are making the decisions about
what you do and who gets ANY of your time. YOU are in control because YOU have
the value and the power that is attracting these chicks in the first place.

>i.e. if you discount the pimp example. If anyone could get it to work NYC
should
>be able to. I am wondering is MLTR as I have described it just a lofty goal
>that is not possible for any long period of time. I have been able to do it
>for a maximum of a few weeks before the whole thing falls apart.

a few weeks is NOT LTR I don't think I could do the balancing act that you
THINK MLTR is for a couple of weeks myself. I have had several dates on the
same day, and if I had to do that every day, or even every weekend, there would
be no time to just stop... sit back... and assess whether what is going on is
really what I want to happen in my life or if changes are necessary... is it
really necessary to fuck three different bitches and get the same sexuality
from all three, or should I just fuck one three times? should I take three
different bitches to the movies this saturday, or take ONE GIRL and her little
sister to the amusement park all day? ALL the decisions in MLTR are up to
YOU... INCLUDING dissolving the whole thing and starting from scratch.

> Hey I am just trying to get this straight in my own mind and see what
>you guys think about it. I am sure any incorrect assumptions I have made
>will be quickly brought to light. Does this sound right or am I way off the
>mark with this MLTR business?

you are off the mark IMO on MLTR, but were actually describing Multiple
Supplication and Serial Monogamy.