OK, every now and then I get around to posting a lay report, but without some
prodding from Formhandle I wouldn’t have posted this, so thank him if you get
some good info out of it. This particular one happened on a recent business
trip to Japan.
Im calling this a Lay Report/Tutorial. This is a new format I think that we
should all try to report in to make things more helpful to guys who need to
learn. Believe me, it will help you learn too when you write your reports this
way and you go over what you did and piece together the things that made it
successful. Then you will be less likely to forget the flashes of genius you
had and make sure you incorporate them into your technique again later on!
So to start with, even before you read the report, here is a breakdown of the
things/techniques that made this successful: (This is the format I am talking
about that makes it a tutorial, as well as the way I break everything down in
report itself):
Keys to the Lay:
Tactics
-lost foreigner routine (approach appears innocent)
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set her at ease
-romance frame
-lack of “leaning”, I was always in control and qualifying her
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kino and anchoring her positive responses with kino
-“kino anchored motion inducement” or
KAMI, see report for explanation
-suspense building (not telling her what kind of book I had for her to read)
-built in sexual imagery from book
-coincidence frame (same day off, her station is near mine, she lives
close to
the hotel, I had been wanting to talk Japanese again, etc.)
-pre suppositions (that we have already decided to go to the hotel,
etc.)-gradual buildup of requests (leading). Building on consistency
principle, once she has said yes to email, its not so hard to say yes to
meeting later. Once she has said yes to meeting later, its not so hard to say
yes to meeting now. Once she agrees to meet now, its not so hard to agree to
drop by the hotel. Once she is at the hotel its not so hard to just stay
there. Once she has decided to stay with me at the hotel, its not so hard to
rationalize that she really is there cause she likes me and wouldn’t really be
adverse to sex, etc.
Physical:
-I was wearing a business suit. This gives a kind of Cialdini authority and in
Japan I have always had really good reactions from women when wearing a suit.
In Asia in general, I think you are going to get good reactions from women when
wearing a suit.
-She knew I was staying at a nice hotel.
Luck:
-She lived nearby and had the day off the next day
Gimmicks:
-Lost foreigner routine
-Use of Sony Clie PDA to get initial email address and phone numbers
This is one of the fastest lays I have ever pulled off in Japan. And it all
happened over the course of only one hour, and when I was least expecting it,
in fact I wasn’t out on the prowl, I was just returning from a long day of
work. I have found that some of my best work comes when I have the least
intent to try to pick women up. It happens when Im just going about my life
and see something that stirs a desire in me and I just go to work! My 2 hour
lay of the 20 year old Japanese girl in Boston was the same way (you can read
that post by searching for TPUA in the
mASF archive here, it was posted in
December of 2001 I think).
Anyway, it was about 11 PM and I was transferring between one subway to another
for the last leg of my trip back to my hotel. I knew where I was going, but
the guys in our rep company in Japan had been so kind as to write a little map
for me with station names on a napkin while we had been at dinner. Little did
they know that I was going to use it to get myself laid that night!
As I was walking I saw a Japanese girl (she was 25 years old, 8.5 on my scale)
with a fine body and nice hair in front of me. She was wearing a skirt that
was just transparent enough for me to make out that she was wearing G-string
panties. I decided I had to have that tonight, and instantly thought of using
the napkin as an opener about being lost. I knew at this time of night I
needed something initially innocent, and this was perfect.
So I just walked faster to catch up to her, pulled along side her, smiled, and
said in English “Can you tell me where this is?” pointing to the subway name on
the napkin. Of course it helped that I knew that was where she was going
anyway because of the direction she was walking. She reacted in a really
confused but generally helpful manner, seeming totally unable to speak English,
but pointing me in the right direction.
Here I remembered something from the recent
Double Your Dating» seminar in LA
with David DeAngelo (which was excellent BTW, recommended regardless of your
level. Jay and I will be writing up a review of this soon on the site. In the
meantime, you can also find links on the site to read reviews and buy his
Ebook) about leaning and pulling away. So instead of continuing the PU, I said
thanks, smiled, and pulled ahead of her on the escalators. Of course I knew
she would be behind me so I already had it planned to ask her again which side
of the tracks, but I wanted her curiosity to be peaked, and I also wanted to
pull away to make her think my intentions were 100% pure.
I waited until she came to a stop and fortunately it was on the side I had to
go anyway, so I knew I would have a little more time to work it in the train,
if I could get “the first 30 seconds” as Formhandle always calls it. I asked
which side of the tracks I needed to wait on in order to get to my hotel. This
told her that I was in a nice hotel nearby just in case she might be open to a
little adventure. Anyway, I got the reply “it’s the same way Im going”, then I
started asking her basic questions in English like “do you speak English?”,
etc. She answered with a little more English than before and seemed to warm up
a little, smiling more often. At some point I also found out that she lives
alone, not sure if it was here or later.
Anyway, I just went into speaking a little Japanese, confided to her that I
used to live in Japan, but that I was on a business trip, just trying to get
back to my hotel. I found out that she worked at a clothes store nearby, etc.
I find out that she is one station beyond me, and I remark that its
coincidental, she agrees and smiles, I
anchor by touching her arm near her
elbow. After some basic fluff like this, I say actually I am trying to
practice my Japanese again, and that its nice to have run into her and had a
chance to practice. I joke that I can teach her English too. I say Im serious
about improving my Japanese and that I even bought a Japanese PDA to help me
practice. Here I pull out the Sony Clie I bought and show it to her. Then I
use it to get her contact information. It just flows naturally since I can
also show her that she is the first entry ( I had accidentally wiped all my
data a few days before), it just looks like I am trying to learn how to use it.
First I get her email, then I say, “while you are at it, why don’t you put your
cell number in there too?” Of course she just goes along with this, since she
already gave me her email.
The train comes, we get on together. At this point I know I don’t have much
more than 5 minutes before my stop, so I am eliciting availability, not values.
I say “its really nice and coincidental meeting you like this.” She agrees and
smiles.
ME: “I have to leave tomorrow, but it would be nice if we could get together
before then. What are you doing tomorrow?”
HER: “Nothing, its my day off.”
ME: “Great, we should do something then”
HER: “OK”.
ME: “Sounds good!” I touch her arm again where I have been touching her often
when she was laughing, etc., firing off the positive anchor.
At this point I have got one key concession, its time to push for another
because we are close to my station.
ME: “Actually, tonight might be a better time since Im still not sure of my
flight time tomorrow. We could go somewhere around here and talk for awhile.
We both wont have to get up too early, so that should be OK, right?”
HER: (somewhat hesitantly) “OK”
ME: “So I can call you once we both get home, and we can figure it out”
Now this is not what I want to happen (she would get home and question her
judgements and turn off her phone, etc.), but again, I am leading the
situation, and getting gradual agreement to everything I say. Now I go in for
the kill, this is the crucial point. I have to get her to go with me now, and
to get off with me at my stop. I wait till we hear the announcement before my
stop.
ME: “But wait, Im not sure about…” Im implying that something will go wrong
with this plan by my tone of voice. “Look, it’s a little crazy, but lets get
off here for a second and discuss this more” She is hesitant, but I smile, and
as the doors open I touch her where I have been anchoring her elbow, but I also
apply a light pressure to get her moving out the door. This kind of thing is
so powerful I will give it an acronym: KAMI (Kino Anchor Motion Inducment).
It is a real killer, I use it all the time in situations where I need to get
the woman to act against her hesitation instincts. It’s a sort of break state
that causes her to unconsciously and naturally move in the direction of the I
want her to in much the same way a child would when following the gentle pull
of a parents hand. It combines the positive anchor and pleasant sensations to
make it all the more likely to succeed. I use it to get women into taxis with
me, etc., its gold. Think of it as a gentle nudge in the right direction J
So once we are out on the subway platform, I say “Look, here is what I think we
should do. I know it’s a lot to ask, but I just have about 30 minutes of work
that I have to do. I have to call the US, but if you don’t mind waiting while
I do that, then we can go have our drink. In the meantime, I will give you a
simple English book to read, its really interesting!”
At this point she is standing on the platform, and she is hearing in essense:
“I plan to take you back to my hotel but Im going to have to work, then we will
leave” This probably hit at her vanity a little, “Why would he take me back
and just work. I wonder if he finds me attractive? Will he make a move?” So
I further the suspense a bit by then saying, “Hmmm, actually the book is a
little bit embarrassing though now that I think about it, maybe I shouldn’t
show it to you. Do you have an open mind?” This also had the dual effect of
presupposing that she has already said yes to coming, now its just a question
of whether she has an open mind enough to read some book that might have some
questionable content. Im smiling all the while and looking at her a little
skeptically. (This part was something I was unconsciously incorporating form
some excellent material I had just heard at the
Double Your Dating» Seminar.
David had talking about asking women if they are single while looking at them
with a sort of skeptical look. Its all about a frame he talks about a lot
where you are qualifying them, not the other way around.) Anyway, she says
yes, she does have an open mind, and I start us walking in the direction of the
hotel while saying “OK, but I wont tell you the name of the book until we get
there”. Again, this is working on her curiousity, etc. while simultaneously
getting her moving where I want to go. Since she is presently more interested
in figuring out what I am talking about, her resistance is lessened and she
just goes along with the whole presupposed idea that we have already mutually
to go to the hotel together. Since Im smiling and the whole mood is light, no
warning bells go off in her head. She has a “mental escape hatch” too in that
she can excuse her own actions later because I gave her all kinds of good and
juicy reasons to go to the hotel that weren’t sex related.
So at this point, it’s a 5 minute walk to the hotel. The hardest part of the
PU is behind me, and now Im into a familiar mode that we can call
PLRM “Pre Lay
Relaxation Mode”. Basically you just have to be very natural about everything
you say and do on the way to the lay venue. There is this point in any same
day lay as you go from the decision point to your place that could get awkward
if she suddenly changes her mind. I usually comment on the surroundings a bit.
In this case I was telling her about the huge soccer ball in the lobby of the
hotel, and how there are so many foreigners there to see the world cup, but how
its too bad all I do is work so I couldn’t see the world cup, but that I
thought she would like the huge soccer ball, and that oh yeah, you will love
the interior of my room, they just redecorated all the rooms in the hotel, and
its got a cool flat panel display for a TV, and since you strike me as the
“romantic type” (setting a frame for later) you are going to love the view from
the room of the city lights, etc. etc.
All this keeps her mind busy so she cant talk herself out of anything, cause I
am always engaging her attention. In Japanese this is especially effective
because the listener is always called on to be polite and constantly respond at
the appropriate times with head nods, “uh huh” and “yes” equivalents, etc.
So with enough of this we arrive at my room. I act totally relaxed, offer her
to sit down, and get her a drink of her choice. She gets beer, I get water. I
hand her the book “1001 Sex Secrets Every Man Should Know”. It’s a small
pocketbook with really simple one or two sentence “secrets” that are just
comments from women about what they like or don’t like sexually. Its easy to
understand and she laughs a little, but goes ahead and reads while I set up my
computer. I engage her here and there so she doesn’t feel ignored. Then
before the call, I sit by her and ask if she has found any favorite ideas. She
says no, I tell her it is her job to find some good ones while I call the US.
Then I “happen” to notice she has small hands, and compare my hand size to
hers. This gets good kino, it’s a standard routine of mine. Then I tell her I
will read her palm. I almost never do this cause I have no idea how to read
palms, but I simply look at her palm and start laughing.
HER: “What?”
ME: “Well, the length of this line means…” more laughing.
HER: “What, tell me?”
ME: “Well, it means that you really enjoy sex! That is true, right?” I am
shaking my head up and down while I say this in the affirmative.
HER: (a little bashfully) “Well, yes…”
ME: That’s OK, cause of course I do too! And Im just joking, I don’t know
what that line means, but I could tell that you just really enjoy sex. Anyway,
find your favorite sexual thing to do, then show me after I get off this call.”
I figure this reading all about sex, then the talk about sex and the touching
has got her for sure, now I am fractionating and building the suspense. I call
my boss in the US, discuss business for 20 minutes, then hang up and get to
“work”.
ME: “Did you find one yet?”
HER: “A few”
ME: “Wait, you can tell me later. But I also can tell that you are a romantic
type as I said before, am I right?” I have never had a girl tell me “no” to
this one yet, so she of course is no different. Plus I have already planted
this suggesting earlier on the way to the hotel, so its sure fire.
HER: “Yes…”
ME: “OK, go stand by the window”
She goes to stand by the window, I go turn off all the lights and come over to
her. I touch her arm at the anchor, then nudge her closer to the window and
stand behind her and have her look at the city lights. I talk about movie
scenes with foreign actors, etc. and how they always kiss, etc. at this point.
ME: “But Im sure you haven’t yet kissed a foreign man in that way, right?”
HER: “No”
I go in for the kiss, no resistance, she kisses back damn passionately for a
Japanese girl. The rest is simple, I lead her to the bed, get her on top of me
grinding and lift up her dress so I can finally get my hands on that G-string
and everything else I want for the rest of the sleepless night. She thanked
me later for giving her what translates into English as “the ultimate night” J
So there you have it, start to lay a one hour seduction, with 20 minutes of
real work in between! While most of you probably wont ever be in Japan, you
can picture yourself in my shoes, saying the same types of things to any woman,
imagining similar success. Go back over the “Keys to the Lay” part and review
the pieces that made it successful. There is some underlying structure there
that can help anyone be more successful with women, I hope it helps all of you
who read it.
-TokyoPUA