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IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Here's another call for anyone in Montreal to contact me about being on my Montreal email list. There has been some preliminary interest in getting a group together to practice and work on skills. The email list would also let you know of any events that occur locally that may be of interest. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Here's another product to check out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UltimateSeduction Where are all my reviews of this stuff, guys? I am sure at least a few of you buy each item I mention here and could point the rest of us to the good stuff and away from the bad stuff. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII David: In case you didn't see it, the writer of "The Rules" is getting a divorce: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010327/en/ellen_fein_1.html IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Becky: Hey, Cliff your emails are for guys. What about us women? Unless they look like me, they are shit out of luck. LOL My Comment: I think that some women have a real charm that can (to a degree) overcome their looks, but I agree with you that most women unless they are attractive are shit out of luck. Fortunately, what is attractive to one can be different than what is attractive to another. I think that we have all seen ugly or plain people with attractive people of the opposite sex and I bet that there are things that unattractive women can do (other than attract golddiggers) to get good looking guys. There was some discussion of this on my list awhile ago, but not enough. Comments? Becky: How do men feel about full figured women? Do they find them to be more appreciative in a relationship and sexy in bed? My Comment: I think you need to be a little more specific about "full figured." Whenever I see that in a personal ad, for example, it means to me "fat." If you are talking about well endowed (but not fat) I think it really depends on the woman. There's a joke email going around with a photo of a really sexy woman and the joke is that some guy out there is glad to be rid of her -- so it isn't just their looks or the size of their tits that makes a woman a great partner. And, yes, when they are full figured (here I use it to mean "heavy") they are often more appreciative and express that with a lot of affection. Not always, though... Becky: I think a lot of men don't see the beauty on the inside unless the woman has great looks. They really miss out. A lot of men are looking for a woman like me and half the time they look like Forrest Gump and couldn't get a woman with such beauty. Well, so I thought until I saw your emails. Wish you had one for women to help them out. How does it work, is it what you say or act? What if a woman goes to bed with a guy the first nite? Is it then over before it begins? My Comment: I think in a sense we all need to have a spark, some chemistry in order to be attracted to someone. My experience has been that I have met some women who were very good looking but something about them didn't feel right (of course there were others that did feel very good). And I think women also need to feel or see certain things right away also to be interested. As for how it works, it is mostly in what you say although you have to act in a way that shows you are confident and cool. For me, it doesn't matter to me if a woman goes to bed with me the first night or not. My two longest relationships started off that way. The only reason I would have a one night stand is because I didn't enjoy it enough to repeat it. As a general rule, I know that the person I am with has probably as much or more experience in bed than I do, so what's with the acting innocent business? I know a lot of women think that this is not the best way to keep a guy around but I think that what is more important is not how quickly it happens but 1) the rest of the experience, meaning how the two people got along and how much they feel they actually got to know each other, and 2) that the guy doesn't get the impression that the woman just sleeps with anyone. It may seem that if a woman goes to bed with a guy right away that she's easy, but I think that is not necessarily the case. I realize I am talking from a male perspective and it is probably true that I want it both ways (in other words, go to bed with me right away but don't let me think you are always so easy). In the end, there's really no right way and no wrong ways, only different ways and ideas. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII GameMaster: I have a reply to this "you're awesome, can't see you" deal. Got an email from her explaining the reason. Seems she is engaged and about 4 weeks from taking the plunge. Thought she'd have a little diversion with internet personals before checking out. May be having second thoughts now unrelated to my "limited" beliefs! Still trying to figure that one out. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Ross: > The superhotties are just girls. The same as >7's. There is one big difference; they are used to people being intimidated >by their beauty. Believe me, their brothers, family, friends and BOYFRIENDS >were not. Their inner circle are on their level and laugh and joke and poke >them in the ribs. I am most definitely still on my sisters level, and poke >fun at both her and her boyfriend, just as they do to me. I think this is totally true, and here is a deeper truth: they have a set of anchors and responses for those who have kissed their asses and for those who are in the inner circle. So do the inner circle stuff (joking around, taking them unseriously, goofing on them) and the associations to you will be "inner circle". Anytime ANYONE has common experiences and uncommon experiences, those anchors tend to be quite separate and discrete and also quite rigid. So use them! > The 9's and 10's have LESS >REAL OPTIONS in men than the 7's but more sub-standard suitors. Why? If you >want to be part of their inner circle, you can not be intimidated by their >beauty. More guys are not intimidated by a 7's beauty than a 9's. Therefore >the 9 has less men to choose from. Guys who do not put them on a pedestal >are few and far between. Either arrogant assholes or guys at their level of looks/success. So if you come along totally different AND firing off the "inner circle" anchors AND can pass her shield-tests, BINGO..suddenly YOU are unique and valuable and rare. Do you know something funny......I eat breakfast and lunch sometimes at a local restaurant in Venice. One of the waitresses we will call Stacey is a real hottie. 29, but looks 22, super-hot bubble-butt, blonde hair and great friendly energy too. Every time I am in there, a guy has asked her out, offered her movie tickets, given her gifts (tulips most recently). I have never been in there when she has NOT been asked out or offered something. Now, I know from a girl who has been friends with her brother for years, Stacey does NOT have a borefriend. Why? I could guess, but one thing, from talking to her, is she is actually very bright and gets bored by most people. She calls them "sheeple". Now, I treat Stacey well enough, but what I offer her is mental stimulation. Different ideas to get her mind going. And I demonstrate I understand her world. Which has got her intrigued (she told me so quite blatantly). > What does a neg (or teasing) do? Demonstrates to >her that you do not have her on a pedestal. That you are not one of the many >sub-standard suitors. > >Therefore, picking up a 9 or 10, requires a statement of power (in that you >are her equal, and do not in any way worship her) such as a neg, then >treating her as if she is a 7. Simple as that. Great advice: a statement of power! I guess I negged Stacey by asking why she wore the same clothes every time I saw her......she denied it and said, "I wore this yesterday and again today because I felt like it, but I wear different things!" >"I want to find out if >there is more to this beautiful angel" sucks. Hold on! HOLD ON! HOLD ON! It sucks if it is done wrong! I keep telling guys as I have said all along, YOU NEVER DELIVER THIS AS IF IT WERE SERIOUS! You do it with a smile like you KNOW it is a total put on! It is NOT designed to compliment her but to appeal to her sense of humor! It is SO fucking corny and SO over the top, it is PURPOSELY designed to make her laff...it is making fun of all the bullshit over the top compliments she has gotten! I'll even roll my eyes when I deliver it as if saying, "Can you believe the crap you've gotten UP UNTIL NOW from guys?" 100% true..it DOES SUCK if you deliver it like you mean it! > Even with the single girls alone, there is a >probability of a fight (and the general crowd in a bar finds me confronting >for my arrogance even though I am not engaging them). Alex will tell you >that guys in a group of 5 offered me a fight because of the number close I >did when I went out with him after leaving you last Monday, and THEY DID NOT >KNOW HER. They just found me confronting to their sense of self. That is so stupid. How old are these retards? They want to fight you...to physically harm you because you are doing better than they are? They DESERVE to be stomped to death if you ask me! >My question to this is: why would a woman say that? Why would she want to >limit yourself to less worthy men? This mentality leaves me perplexed and >flabbergasted. Could you or the others and the women on your list elaborate >on this concept? It's so hard to get a straight truthful answer on this. >Believe >me, I've tried. She thinks of herself as shit and believes he'd only leave her like all the other guys did! So, she creates what she projects and predicts! Sick, sick, SICK! >Brother Diamond: >Hey there. I've been messing around with nominalizations. >and I don't exactly know what they are since I'm not in >NLP per se... I know what Bishop's nominalizations are but >could someone explain what they are for and some more >in case a woman doesn't give you any trance words to >use? A nominalization is a linguistic term: it refers to the activity of taking a process and turning it into a thing, thus removing control. Example: My fear of women keeps me from approaching them. "Fear" is really a process. It is something you do in your body and mind, not an object like a rock or a twig or a tree. In fact, there is no "fear" there is only the process of "fearing". We turn a nominalization back into a process by adding "ing". So, in the example, I would say to a student, "In what way is your fearing keeping you from approaching women?" >Rio: > >Has anyone else rented this movie yet?? and what were >your impressions?? I enjoyed the movie. Did you notice how the woman turned Duncan into a complete AFC by using SS language? She was talking to him about the character Don Juan, and what an authority Duncan respected, Kierkegaard, had to say. She said, Her: Do you know what Kierkegaard said about Don Juan? Him: No Her: He said Don Juan had to love thousands of women because he was afraid he could never truly be loved by ONE woman (Pacing his deep emotional situation, establishing her authority!) Her: Kierkegaard said that sooner or later, you have to take a leap of faith...and decide to LOVE THIS PERSON! (*word for word fuckin' quote, I think!) Boom...you could see him shift......that is the moment she got him! SS trumps Tao of Steve! But NONE of the reviewers of critics caught it! I did...and so did the student I saw the movie with...we both went, "Christ...did you just see that?" >Sometimes I think we get "nexted" because hot women expect to be >treated with "courtesy" by every guy (they literally think they are royalty >just because they look good) so when you don't give them what they want >they think you're a "jerk" or an "asshole". I think that is a good explanation why so many of these chicks are so angry. Their sense of entitlement either bores them (because they DO get what they want and that pisses them off...they are bored and want a challenge) or they get the occasional challenge and don't know how to handle it...they get confused! Poor widdle pussies! >I think hoop constructions are somewhat similar to NEGS (okay as I said "I >THINK" so don't flame me if you disagree even though I'd like to hear on >this) - however while NEGS should ONLY be used on 9's and 10's (I FULLY >agree with Mys on this), hoops can be layout along the entire scale (even >though you probably won't be trying to sarge a 4, would you?) and can even >be more effective on some women if performed correctly. What I've been experimenting with recently is looking for the woman's need to be needed and to be of service! Even some of the hottest women have a need to feel needed, so try asking her for some SMALL favor early on. Something that requires her to some way contribute her time, focus, effort, etc. Not quite a "hoop" per se, but similar and taps into the need to be connected and mother. >Also I'm wondering has anyone tried the Solar Plexus touch- has it worked >effectively? I was doing a bit of revision today, and came up upon it. >Wondered about timing on the raise, the touch.... Also, I thought a hand >squeeze anchor is slightly tough (especially in an awkward situation like a >restaurant or a retail store, whatever) so I'm wondering how effective you >people have found other anchors to be? I feel a lot more comfortable with >an elbow or wrist anchor (random comment: apparently if you put your fingers >around a girl's wrist while she's giving you a BJ, she would also get >tremendous "pleasure"...?) I think the difficulty is in your mind. How is a hand-squeeze tough? Just take her hand and squeeze it! >Casey: >(Commenting on Ross): > > No, it's more you are prepared, BEFORE the event, with sort of an > > "early warning radar". That is, an hour or so before something is > > scheduled with an HB, be prepared for the flake or bullshit in > > ADVANCE, including REHEARSING OUT LOUD what you are going to say, and what > > behaviors you are going to do. TRAIN THE WAY YOU FIGHT and you will FIGHT > > THE WAY YOU TRAIN! > >If I'm preparing for her bullshit before our meeting, what am I >saying to myself? (In other words, how am I training?) Prepare for specific situations. Like, "We have to make this an early evening". Have some canned responses ready. Such as, "No worries...we'll get back to my place ASAP!" or, "Whew...good. I was afraid you'd want more from tonight than I was comfortable with" (Thanks to Bro Bishop for this one!~) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Brother Diamond: I was going over the romantic hero theme and how Bishop creates it and brings it to life in his work with women. It got me thinking how it worked because when I first ran into this theme I absolutely loved it and now I'm into that direction with my ss. But seriously... has any guy ever thought about why this romantic hero works so well FROM A GUY'S PERSPECTIVE? I mean women love them because they can experience an adventure and experiences they normally couldn't in life with an AFC, right? But what propels guys to become this way... to become what romance novels are all about? To live the exciting life of an adventurer? Well, lo and behold if I didn't come up with an amazing answer to that answer!!! You see, I think the reason this theme works so well for men in SS is because a big part of us (guys) WANTS TO BECOME THIS IN LIFE ALSO right? I mean we all can recall a cool movie that had an exciting spy or adventurer that lived his life and a woman pursued him and his exciting life to win his heart right? Hell, even something like Total Recall if nothing else... I mean he didn't get a girl in the end but who hasn't said to themselves that they wish they could be Arnold and live an adventure like that in life? Doesn't that just make sense? Generally speaking... to use Major Mark's ideal of a propulsion system... it is women and how they are in our society that draw us to this adventurer theme and it is our own desires and hopes in life to become this person of excitement that also propels us into becoming it. I dunno, maybe I think about SS too much : ) maybe it's just a crappy theory .... IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Icerigger: >Rio: >I rented a copy of "The Tao Of Steve" and thought it >was enjoyable. The main character, Steve didn't go too >much in the details of the art of seduction». Here was >his basic rules: > >1. Remove all desire to have sex when you are with her >2. Do something excellent in her presence >3. Pullback (or retreat, or something that seemed >reminiscent of F.J. Shark's give a sample of yourself >then do the "takeaway") > >Steve didn't say specifically what he meant by doing >something excellent in her presence, though the >impression I got from the movie was that his appeal >was that he is good with pre-school kids, in one scene >where his "target" showed up to see him playing poker >with them (substituting crayons for chips). Actually, his name was Dex I think... he and his buddies model "Steve's". : ) However, the bit about excellence. It's simply demonstrating value to a chick. It took me a little while to figure out the cut to the poker scene. It was subtle. Dex is EXCELLENT at BLUFFING (thus the game of Poker.) He is a total bullshitter (but an entertaining one) and you see it demonstrated numerous times during the movie - "Oh, I'm a forensic anthropologist..." >Has anyone else rented this movie yet?? and what were >your impressions?? Yup, I liked it. It made me recall a few occasions where I was a "Steve" with HBs accidentaly (while really I was a full on AFC otherwise.) For whatever reason, I simply wasn't interested in these chicks (because they were married, engaged, etc. - I was an AFC remember?) and so didn't do any of the usual AFC shit to get in good with them. On top of it, I *WAS* interested in another chick who was NOT as attractive as the HB. And, the other chick was always a friend or someone in the same social circle - so my being interested in the competition was always obvious to the HB. That drove these girls ***NUTS***. Also, I was excellent with these chicks because I wasn't interested in them and therefore not UPTIGHT around them... which let my sense of humor really come to the forefront. One said that what she loved about me was that I could make her laugh so hard. Now if I can just learn to show that disinterest when I really AM interested in the HB... lol IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII TGB123: I've heard a lot of bragging in the gone days about and from women about 0 Night Stands. Need to make up my mind ok, I am 20, attractive and need to get some now. I am sick of being lonely jack and sour of relating to the bitches. I do herewith admit fear of asking babes to the restroom or anywhere... IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Ned: >> MindAuger: >> OMG here's something fucking amazing, check it out. >> I stumbled across this on an automotive website... >> How delicious is www.psychoexgirlfriend.com! >> http://www.psychoexgirlfriend.com/voicemails.html These guys appear to be guilty of not setting the opportunity frame. Doh! These voicemails only make sense from the 'dating' frame. As a useful exercise for the student (me too, hehe), go through all these clips and identify the attempts to use control mechanisms, as well as the attempts to set a relationship frame. Think about it like this: if she simply called him and said "OMG, I'm so horny for you, please can I come over to do the wild thing right now?" How long would it be before he called her back, and said either yes or no? Instead she says stuff like: "As a human being who once cared about me, please call me back." which sets him into a certain frame if he simply complies with her request. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Doc: For those interested in FOXHUNTING: I have spent the last 6 hours reading the ENTIRE online book of Roger's on www.cybersheet.com (it's about 100 + pages pasted into Microsoft Word). The guy who wrote it is basically a "chess master" but I liked most of what he had to say. Very thorough yet bits most of us probably already know. Some might be valuable to us such as the attraction rating scale that was devised known as CUPID - which seems to have been through quite a bit of research. Implementing this would give us a bit more "practicability" over a 1-10 scale!!! It could be slightly confusing for "newbies" but could effectively tell us exactly what we are trying to show and not state that the HB is a "10" or a "7". The online book is under the "library" section and it's free. Give it a read! I'm going to call up one of the "evil sisters" tomorrow (the stuck up one), if there's any quick advice I would love to hear it (I have never done any sarging over the phone, even though I have a few things planned I'm gonna be a rookie). Basically I'd like her to feel "immensely connected" with me and simply "cannot resist my commands" and feel "tremendous pleasure" to my "presence" on the phone. I won't see her for the next 2 weeks, so I want her to call me everyday till then (I know I'm really stretching this into being close to DEEP trance hypnosis but can it be done over the phone with the right words undetected?) I am hoping to reverse her thoughts and secure her on a date with my buddy when we return to university (I already have a modified SS pattern for this that I'm thinking of using which basically includes time distortion, ambiguity, and a lead in) but also would like to set her up for myself potentially (if it doesn't work out for my friend) and have HER help me convince the other evil sister to blow me. Hahaha hubba hubba But I'm pretty clueless how to get around this as I can't anchor over the phone, etc. (Besides perhaps making funny noises that she'll remember? Hey, if Pavlov used his bell, I should be able to use mine...to make noises of the midnight strike..?!? lol) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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