mASF post by "Neo-Rio"
posted on: mASF forum: Field Reports Discussion, January 1, 2002Ok, that's a bitter pill - but welcome advice.
Indeed, I think it's safe to say that I did indeed misjudge the experience
level of this chick. Come to think of it, SOI has worked on older women.
Also given the fact that I was treating her like a little kid towards the
end of the day worked better at raising her interest.
All good points taken.
> I never really bought into the SOI thing fully. It is counter to my
> intuition. I believe they have a time and a place (like when she is going
> flakey), but as a general rule, it doesn't work for me. So jump off now
and
> read an old thought on it from a post of mine "Re: De-lurking"
>
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=1&mn=982
> 36890390731
> Okay ... you understand why in that scenario the SOI would have fucked
> things up completely?
That one is blatantly obvious. He's giving the chick everything already.
What did I spend on this chick? Not a damn cent actually. How much time did
I waste? - a couple of hours tops.
And better still she came all the way out here while I twiddled my
thumbs....
> Another question: how old (or mature) was this girl? In my experience, the
> younger ones are more likely to do this than girls at mid 20s and above.
She was about 20. And yep, I think you are right here.
> Consider this: she is young and sexually inexperienced. Consider this: she
> doesn't get flattered like this very often. Consider this further: you
could
> have withheld flattery as bait to get her in bed. Consider this also:
> perhaps all the making out with her was flattery too. How about this one:
> she gains no additional flattery by actually fucking you. She is already a
> big girl. She is already like the girls in Cosmo magazine. She doesn`t
need
> to actually take all the risks involved in real sex. She is getting the
> rewards already. Consider this: young girls who are inexperienced in bed
are
> in PAIN during sex. Young girls are incapable of virginal orgasms and
> restricted to clitoral. How about this one: the only reason some young
girls
> will have sex is so that a man can validate them as a fully fledged and
> desirable adult woman. Guess what? You gave her all those things already.
Of
> course she would come around. Of course she would enjoy it. Of course she
> would accept all that flattery without giving anything in return. It is
HER
> CHARMS that caused all those SOIs and flattery, afterall, no? Isn`t she
the
> big girl now? Isn`t she the siren? Isn`t she the heartbreaker? Doesn't she
> drive the guys crazy just like the girls from Dolly magazine? Cant she get
> away with outrageous flirting? Didn't this whole situation get her heart
> pumping with the thrill of the chase and the danger of the situation that
> she got her self into? Isn't she the one in control ... look at how she
> could walk away from the situation. "I am not a little girl. I am like
> Brittany Spears." Okay, that said ... lets look within:
Yes, yes and yes. The alarm bells are ringing in my head.
I KNEW I should have pulled apart her sexual history. That would have been
the perfect thing to neg - as you said - because she is inexperienced. I
guess it's here I learn my lesson about why chicks often lie about their
virginity to guys - to appear as if they are in fact desirable and can push
the guy around.
I got it in at the end, but too little too late.
> <Neo-Rio> wrote in message
> > The cute white one was incredibly enthusiastic about coming down to my
> place
> > (a good 2 hours) to see me. So I was pleased, and I fully intended to
make
> > it worth her while (She is at least an 8). I SOIed her silly before she
> even
> > came down, indirectly, but she knew what the story was for today's
> > activities. She had no reason to doubt that at all. AND she came with a
> > smile on her face.
>
> That is the smile of a girl being flattered. THe smile of a young girl in
an
> adult situation. The smile of how much of a Cosmo girl she is.
Note to self: Next time, if chick follows through with SOI - elicit more
details of the actual experience. Find out exactly how many times she has
had it before and how she reacted. Spot the bullshit in between.
Note to self: Elicit sexual immaturity in young women.
Actually, my fuckup of not eliciting prior sexual experiences in this chick.
I skipped it and pushed too hard to get my dick wet. BIG fuck up on my part.
> > Meet her at the station. Kino and holding hands begins straight away. I
> feel
> > that this may be an easy lay - but I remember that chicks who come on
> easily
> > are hard to fuck. I guess she was no exception to the rule. I am holding
> > hands with her, no resistance. It is even reciprocal. She is dressed
> > somewhat conservatively (uh-oh).
>
> She doesnt even have to dress sexy to get all this attention. What a cosmo
> girl!
Note to self:- If a change is clothing is detected... ask why. Ask why a
chick would bother downgrading herself.....
(PS. the weather was cold, and it actually made sense for her to wear what
she wore.)
> > I decide to skip the coffee shop and go straight to my place. No problem
> > with this whatsoever. I figure I can elicit her a bit further there and
> get
> > her horny there rather than waste time at the coffee shop.
> >
> > Anyway, we get back to my place, and already kino is really good. I get
a
> > kiss on her and a toungue down. I try and move a bit further than that,
> but
> > she's laughing smiling, obviously enjoying it. Puts up a lot of
> resistance.
> > I ignore it for a while - and then I back off and try again later. I get
a
> > bit further this time. Now she is backing up altogether and saying that
> she
> > wants to have a look around outside. I ignore this for a while, and
stall
> > her. (I say I'm getting ready, go into the other room, wait ages, check
my
> > computer out, then go back to her feel her up. Cycle starts again.) The
> mood
> > is good, and I still feel I can fuck the chick. This goes on a few
times.
> >
> > After a while though, the chick gets herself up and actually puts her
coat
> > back on (Not before I've felt her crotch out a bit) I proceed to try and
> get
> > it off again, but it's not happening. I stall the whole time, and
> eventually
> > she starts rubbing my chest in the mood to have a look outside. (I sense
> > this is a shit test) So I rub her tits back.
>
> Now you are throwing flattery and attention at her like there is no
> tommorrow. She is doing her part well. The coyer she is, the more
attention
> she gets. Okay ... I am going to stop with a simple analysis for a second
> and tell you what I do with young girls (like 18 - 20). I break up the
make
> out sessions. I get up to go to the toilet in the middle ... and fuck
around
> a bit while I am there. She is sitting there in the couch waiting. Alone.
That's something I did. But not as ABRUPT as you are talking about. I
stalled her out while I went and wasted time doing shit. However, I didn't
break the mood of the make-out session in order to do this - like
deliberately fuck it up just so I could wash my dishes or something.
> Take aways. 10 minutes more with her, and I want to change the music. But
I
> cant find the disc. I leave her sitting there in her bra with her shirt
off.
> I break it up. Throw off her rythem. I NEVER SOI. EVER. One SOI will loose
> her. I tell her she is too little. I tell her she is not big enough to
suck
> a dick. Her: "I am so, I have given a lot of headjobs!" Me: No you havent.
> You are just a kid. Her: I have so. Me (pulling dick out of pants): "Okay,
> proove it!" What can she say? I still havent given her an SOI and she is
> sucking my dick. In my opinion people underestimate how little 18-21 year
> olds are. They are for the most part sexually inexperienced kids.
Especially
> those in first year of University. Man, they are straight out of high
> school. Could count the times they have had sex on one hand. Yet suddenly
> they are at uni with their big breasts and semi adult features, and acting
> like women. They aint. They are kids. Treat them as such and you do
better.
> (the 18 year olds in trailer parks are probably a differnet story. Give
her
> real sexual experience and the whole thing changes).
> I think I am done. My opinion on what went on here anyway, but I might be
> completely wrong. I suggest you revisit your SOI concept.
The concept is OK - especially considering that the SOIs were all primarily
sexual. I believe that without these she wouldn't have wanted to throw
herself into an "adult" situation in the first place.
What I failed to do here was realise that she was young, like you said, and
ELICIT her sexual experiences - and NEG her when I felt that she is lying
about it.
I did neg her quite a bit towards the end - but obviously I didn't dump on
her as soon as I could have - or in the way that I could have (Negging her
sexual prowess).
Anyway, since I usually do older women, I will keep what you said in mind.
Indeed your post is worthy of archiving for the next time I (or anyone else)
tackles the youth market.
Thanks, you've been a real help.
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