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posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, March 3, 2004

Its posts like this that actually make ASF worthwhile reading...

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<Mystery> wrote in message news:[email protected]
> STYLE vs. METHOD: Mystery on Building Your Own Identity
>
> I read an article recently by my good buddy Thundercat that said:
>
> "But what Mystery does, though teachable, is very much a style tailored to
> Mystery. He is successful at what he does because no one else can really
> imitate him. That's what makes Tyler so amazing to observe. Tyler does the
same
> things as Mystery, but WITHOUT the magic tricks. Yet he is still able to
create
> IMMENSE value for himself. How does he do this? Well, from what I've
gathered,
> his method is more relatable to normal guys like me, because anyone with
the
> proper skillset can use Tyler's methods to create value for themselves."
>
> Thundercat's misunderstanding between a person's customized style and the
game
> plan or method he uses to systematically convey his unique personality
concerns
> me. This is because only a few days ago did we share a 3:00am meal at a
diner
> after our visit to an exotic dance club together.
>
> During our meal Thundercat himself admitted that he doesn't possess a
strong
> identity as I do. I will attempt to resolve his misunderstanding between
STYLE
> and METHOD as well as reveal some insights on how to specifically
customize
> material to convey a unique identity (for both you and my friend
Thundercat).
> Once you customize your material to fit your chosen "strong identity" will
you
> no doubt make others who watch you work wrongfully assume it is your
particular
> identity that gets you the girls and not the method that powers the
conveying
> of it.
>
> (Thundercat's complete article may be found at
> http://www.thundercatseductionlair.com/2004/03/the_value_of_be.html#more:)
>
> As those who have taken a Mystery Method seminar know, MM consists of
three
> main areas:
>
> PART 1. A format (or game plan) which has 3 stages, each with 3 phases.
> PART 2. Mental tools to get you from phase to phase (isolation tactics,
kiss
> tactics, extraction tactics, etc).
> PART 3. Scripts and personality conveying material (content) to fill in
each of
> the 9 phases.
>
> While parts 1 and 2 (the MM format and it's tactics) don't change from
person
> to person, part 3 (personality conveying material) does. We each possess a
> unique identity. You are not me. I am a magician. My wing Style is a
writer.
> Tyler D. is a public speaker. Does this mean you have to be a magician, a
> writer, or a public speaker in order to attract women? Of course not! But
what
> you DO need is what Style, Tyler D. and I share in common: we each possess
a
> strong identity. Style, Tyler D. and I have each customized our material
to
> convey our strong and unique personalities. That is, in fact, the PURPOSE
of
> personality conveying material. It certainly would be counter-productive
to
> convey that you are a magician if you aren't one. Nor a writer or public
> speaker for that matter.
>
> Tyler D. and Style use the same game plan or method that I do. How do I
know?
> Because we adapted my original (and now out-of-date) FMAC method into a
> powerful algorithm together (M3). Both are former students of mine, turned
> teachers. And yes they have both taught me as much about the game as I
have
> them since we began. (Style lives in the same house as I, and Tyler D. is
here
> too, visiting.) While we all use the same method, we have customized the
> material so that we each have a different style. In fact, Tyler D.'s style
is
> still evolving. His identity has, for a long time, been one with few
attractive
> qualities: a student. This may be the reason why Thundercat, in
> misunderstanding the difference between method and style, has concluded
that
> Tyler D.'s material is more applicable to "normal guys" than mine. What
this
> reveals please me: The identity I have chosen is strong enough to confuse
even
> a close friend.
>
> What Style, Tyler D. and I do when we teach others the game is give
examples of
> field-tested personality conveying routines to students. Should our
students
> stick to this STOCK material forever? No way! What they should do is
identify
> who they are and swap out our stock examples for customized stories from
their
> real life as soon as possible. The reason they are given examples is so
that
> they can appreciate what constitutes a good personality conveying routine.
Some
> amazing routines are thankfully generic enough to share ("The Cube"
routine for
> instance), while others must by their very nature be unique to each
person.
>
> Like mine, some of Thundercat's material should possess a common theme. He
will
> use this material to draw his target into his world (and not into
Mystery's
> world or Tyler D.'s world). Thundercat's material must specifically suit
his
> identity. Each person who uses MM will ultimately swap out the stock
routines
> we teach them and use original material over time.
>
> I'd like to teach you (and Thundercat) an idea I had that gave me an
epiphany
> (and also allowed me to make out with the exotic dancer I met with
Thundercat
> that night when she later came over to visit me). It's a new concept and I
> discovered an amazing FORMAT for conveying your IDENTITY. This idea has
been
> revealed only to those in my private online community Mystery's Lounge so
far.
> This is what some had to say about it:
>
> CRAIG > "This is AWESOME!" <cra***[email protected]***.com[ ? ]>
>
> VEGAS > "This is a great post. I had a girl tell me recently that one of
the
> sexiest things that a man does is when 'he gets so excited and passionate
when
> talking about what he is doing or planning on doing in his life, that he
> stumbles on his words trying to get them out.'" <veg***[email protected]***.com[ ? ]>
>
> DONJUAN > "This is @#*$in great! It gives me a way to structure telling
her
> what I do in a way that is intriguing, fascinating, and interesting rather
than
> just telling her matter of factly or going CF with it. Also incorporating
> immediately ... as in 20 minutes from now." <don***[email protected]***.org[ ? ]>
>
> I am now revealing this idea outside of my private lounge for the first
time
> here:
>
> GROUNDING: HOW TO GROUND YOUR IDENTITY TO YOUR TARGET'S REALITY WITH YOUR
> BACK-STORY
>
> I'm sure you've found yourself in a set and have reached the point where
your
> target says, "What do you do?" You either give her your honest but lame
answer
> like, "I'm a student", or "I'm a system's administrator", or worse, you
try to
> circumvent the question entirely with "I'm an ass model."
>
> The problem is you don't have an attractive identity, or if you do, it's
not a
> strong one. Some guys will experiment with "I'm a rockstar", or "I'm a
> promoter", or "I'm a public speaker", but your target will either feel you
are
> lying (in the same way we believe an "actress" is likely a "waitress"), or
if
> they DO believe your evidence, they become intimidated when you get
weighed
> down by the stereotype they have of you.
>
> If instead of answering her question "What do you do" with "I'm " you can
> ground your present identity to her reality and harness the opportunity to
> convey a much richer personality. Here's how you do it.
>
> Instead say:
>
> 1. "Well when I was little I wanted to be a ."
> 2. "When I was a teenager happened." Tell stories about how you got from
1 to
> 3.
> 3. "Now I'm . Can you believe it?"
>
> Here is the applied format that I used to ground my identity to a recent
HB9's
> reality. It helped to attract her and build enough comfort to get her back
to
> my place. (Not the exotic dancer but another girl.)
>
> 1. What do I do? When I was young I wanted to be a magician.
> 2. Tell story of my first birthday party magic show and how the money was
used
> to see a Copperfield show. (5 minute story.)
> 2.1 Tell story of how my biggest audience scared the shit out of me and
how I
> went up and kicked ass. I really get into the fear of it all. (3 minute
story.)
> 2.2 Talk about my first real TV experience. (2 minute story.)
> 2.3 Tell her about moving to Hollywood and why. This is a "vulnerability
> routine" in C&T stage. (3 minute story.)
> 3.0 Tell her what is now on my plate - my WTF? underground internet show,
my TV
> reality show interest, the book I'm writing, and my seminars on various
topics
> such as social dynamics and wealth building. (5 minutes of stories.)
> 3.1 Tell her what I am planning on doing next - illusion show concepts,
> publicity stunts, etc. (5 minutes of stories.)
>
> That was at least 23 minutes of story-telling and I was holding this
beautiful
> girl long before I performed any magic. The reason magic works for me of
course
> is because I'm a magician. As Thundercat noted in his article, "Tyler does
the
> same things as Mystery, but WITHOUT the magic tricks. Yet he is still able
to
> create IMMENSE value for himself." This is, to me, compelling evidence to
> support that you do not need to use my style or do magic in any way to use
MM.
> Tyler D. performs no magic what-so-ever yet can still, by sticking to the
> method and running his unique personality conveying material, attract
women
> like moths to a flame. Just don't go running around telling women you
conduct
> workshops on social dynamics if you don't. Learn more about my good buddy
Tyler
> D. at www.realsocialdynamics.com. His close friend and business partner
Papa
> lives in my house.
>
> PAPA > "Outstanding post, bro. I've been just giving quick answers, like
> "professional partier" and then joking about it, but I like how you come
up
> with a way to circle around the identity value-conveying routines that the
girl
> can relate to you. I'll be working on this in my sets tonight for when
girls
> ask me what I do." <pap***[email protected]***.com[ ? ]>
>
> If I just come in and say "I'm a magician", my target really wouldn't feel
that
> we share commonalities or lifestyle. She would have to rely on
stereotyping. I
> would also not appear very humble. She would feel that I'm too different
for
> her and I would otherwise over-qualify myself. Some women it seems would
> actually reject a date with George Clooney because they don't understand
his
> lifestyle - they feel they lack commonality and this lack creates
discomfort.
> But what if he gave her his back-story and taught her what happened,
> step-by-step, to him to become who he is today? This is the concept of
> GROUNDING applied.
>
> By giving my target my back-story, I ground myself to her reality ("When I
was
> as a regular Joe") so that she could see how she too could be the type of
> person I now am ("This is who I am today") if only she were to make
similar
> decisions along the way. You can even later use this format to encourage
your
> target to ground HER life to YOU during the F2M attract phase by having
her
> stick to the format. Simply ask, "Woah. Back up. So what happened next?"
>
> Notice in my list of grounding stories above that the common theme is
"This is
> what lead me to become who I am today." Thundercat too must do this - once
he
> decides what his identity in fact IS. Does this mean he must steal my
identity
> to do MM? No. He won't be telling stories of his first birthday party
magic
> show. That would be a lie. He won't talk about how he learned the secret
to a
> card trick by beating it out of a classmate of his, or how years later
that
> classmate saw him on TV and said, "I can't believe your future changed
that
> day." No, he won't use my specific material. Nor will you. But both you
and
> Thundercat will use material from your own real life experiences as I do.
The
> format or game plan is the Mystery Method. The personalized MATERIAL you
use to
> fill in the format is what constitutes your style.
>
> CHEROKEE > "When I was on a day 2 with this girl the other week, I got
wrapped
> up in talking about my plans to become a , I was just rambling for god
knows
> how long... and the girl, in bed with me, later said this to me: 'I've
never
> seen a guy so passionate about something, when you were talking about ,
you
> just lit up... and watching you talk about it made me melt.'"
> <che***[email protected]***.com[ ? ]>
>
> If Tyler D. for instance says "I'm a public speaker", what does that mean
to
> his target? She can only go by an accepted stereotype and unless she
herself is
> a public speaker (commonality) he needs to explain how he became one. He
must
> explain that if she did the same things he did, she too would be a public
> speaker. If he were to say, "I travel the world giving lectures on social
> dynamics", he would likely over-qualify himself. If he instead said,
"Well,
> when I was in school I went to this seminar" and "I started to help the
> lecturer for shits and giggles" and then "I taught a little bit at the
> seminars", he would be grounding his reality to hers. He could then
continue
> with "I started traveling with them for fun during the summer" and then "I
put
> together my own seminar and conducted it for the first time with the help
of my
> friend Papa. It was exciting and I was nervous", and on and on all the way
to
> "Now I travel the world, people look up to me and I make mad cash ... can
you
> believe it? I never would have thought I could do it if you said I'd be
doing
> this 10 yrs ago", he would be grounding his reality to hers using my
grounding
> method and his own original back-story material.
>
> Now, how does one answer the deep question, "Who am I?" A friend of mine
told
> me, "You are what you repeatedly do."
>
> I do magic on a regular basis. I perform it almost every day, whether for
a
> beautiful woman or any other other person. Style writes almost every day
(and
> gets paid for it, making him a full-time professional). Tyler D. mostly
focuses
> on conducting seminars and workshops. What do YOU do on a regular basis?
> Besides being a social butterfly that is. Remember, the pick-up arts
exists to
> enrich your life, not define it. What stories do you already possess that
> convey who you have become today?
>
> SICKBOY > "Brilliant post! This structure makes cooler jobs seem cooler
and
> more important, and even not cool jobs seem that much better. The
underlying
> concept in this structure is that you're showing passion, direction, and
goals
> you set for yourself. Having a purpose and a direction is one of the most
> attractive things to people. I've known about this for sometime, but never
> found a way to incorporate it. The best part about this is that it doesn't
come
> off as qualifying yourself. I like this routine, I'm incorporating it
> immediately." <Sic***[email protected]***.com[ ? ]>
>
> GROUNDING REALITY is far reaching. It will change the way you M2F attract,
F2M
> attract, and build COMFORT but will not alter their basic structure. It
will
> also change the way you choose and structure routines, sequence them
(which
> routines you will use and when), and convey to your target the way you
handle
> challenges in your life.
>
> KOOPER > "this is awesome mys! this is hardcore money material mys and THE
> major part of my rapport building. come to think about it, this is like
the
> only part of my rapport building because it captures like everything about
you
> and the girl, and you have hours worth of conversational tangents this
way.
> great post!" <jow***[email protected]***x.de[ ? ]>
>
> So this is what you must now do to improve your game:
>
> 1. Figure out who YOU are by looking at what you DO repeatedly - something
you
> can say in a word or two. (ex: magician, writer, toy inventor, CEO,
hacker,
> rock climber, rapper, public speaker, traveler)
>
> 2. Come up with several stories that convey how you got from being a
normal kid
> to doing what you repeatedly do.
>
> 3. Practice telling these stories to others to make the stories
enthusiastic
> and natural.
>
> My next 2-DAY MM seminar is in NYC this weekend. I'll also do a FREE
2-HOUR
> lecture sometime during the Hollywood PUA Summit which is April 1 to 5 -
> everyone is welcome!
>
> Love Mystery
> www.mysterymethod.com»
>
> To Formhandle: You may post this as an article on your site if you wish.
See
> you at the summit.
>



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