mASF post by "scoob"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, March 3, 2004Welcome back Chem. These are some really insightful observations. It really is
helpful to take a 30-60 day break from these boards and detox from the
overanalysis. Lots of guys have major epiphanies during these self-imposed
vacations from mASF because it gives them time to internalize beliefs and to
see the matrix before them when out in the field. Less brain clutter = deeper
and more profound understanding of the whole dynamic of the game
On 3/2/04 1:33:00 AM, CheMistrY wrote:
>Hi Guys, took a short break
>but I'm back.
>
>I've been doing a lot of
>thinking and reading and field
>work here and there.
>
>Some observations from the
>field:
>
>On Club and Bar Sarging:
>
>Stacking openers and
>persisting/carrying the
>initial interactions is a must
>for several reasons. Most
>dudes who actually walk up to
>chicks in a club are drunk
>clowns. When you get blown out
>right away she thinking
>"Wow...here's another AFC beta
>drunk ass clown hitting on me,
>I'll just blow him out." It's
>like an "autopilot" response
>that TD talks about. You have
>to hang in there long enough
>she knows you aren't wasted
>drunk and you actually want to
>carry on a conversation. (BTW,
>stacking openers is money in
>any situation where you want
>to converse, you have to let
>people know that now you want
>to talk.)
>
As someone who used to eject prematurely due to nervousness you are absolutely
correct. Persistence through the awkwardness until you have sufficiently
attracted and can phase shift into rapport is the goal.
Just by having something interesting or unique to say will put you ahead of 95%
of the other guys who have approached her. Most guys will try caveman KINO
after a few shots of tequila, OR they'll use lame pickup linesor compliments.
Even "Hey, what's up?" is better than this, although it won't get you in with
SHBs.
>On Analyzing in the Field:
>
>Analyzing or talking about
>sarging is worst thing you can
>do in the field. It will
>totally ruin your state. You
>should be thinking "How much
>fun can I have tonight?" Not,
>"alright, I'm gonna run a
>Mystery Method» and then
>transition into a Gunwitch
>style sexual state."
Yes. Guys, you must learn to GET OUT OF YOUR HEADS when in a club environment.
Feel the music, check out the decor, relax and have a great time! Learn to run
on autopilot. You already know what to do and what to say IF you let go of all
the analysis and self-talk. You really do. It's encoded in your DNA. Me Tarzan,
you Jane, me fuck you while Cheetah watch.
>When you
>are in the field forget you
>were ever here. Don't talk
>about sarging or methods or
>strategy with your wings.
>That's what post sarge ASF
>analysis is for. As far as
>anyone else is concerned you
>are just a couple guys out on
>the town having a good time.
>You're not hardcore PUA
>sarging machines with an
>specific agenda. I've been
>focusing on having fun and if
>I start to "meta-state" and
>get too analytical I refocus
>on a few key affirmations
>like, "I'm here to have fun",
>"I'm the prize", "Women really
>want to meet me" etc. etc.
>
>
>On Alpha vs. Beta:
>
>I think I've finally hit on
>the true meaning of Alpha. The
>alpha guy is a guy that only
>competes with himself. He sets
>goals for himself is
>constantly raising the bar for
>himself. He is internally
>centered. He isn't constantly
>comparing himself against
>other people. For example, you
>walk into a crowded "sausage
>party" bar. There's like 20
>dudes and 5 chicks. The Alpha
>guy doesn't even consider the
>other guys as competition.
>Because he isn't competing
>with them, he is competing
>against HIS best. He just
>sarges on as normal. The Beta
>guy goes "wow, I can't compete
>in here, there's too many good
>looking, rich dudes" or
>overcompensates and goes "I
>need to show up every other
>dude in here." The fact is
>there is always going to be
>someone better than you in
>every facet of who you
>are...accept that.... but you
>aren't competing against them.
>You are competing against your
>best, not theirs. When you
>only compete against yourself
>then you are in your own mind
>ALWAYS ALPHA. When you set
>goals for yourself and you
>meet them, when you challenge
>yourself and succeed then YOU
>ARE ALPHA. No one can touch
>you. This shines through in
>your attitude and we all know
>chicks respond to attitude.
>So the next dude who asks "How
>many chicks have you guys
>laid?" I'm going to track down
>and beat over the head!!!
>Haha!
>
You know, it occurred to me as I read this paragraph that I don't even NOTICE
the other guys in the club anymore. I don't feel the need to compete with them
or to compare myself against any tangible quality they might have. This whole
alphaness concept gets discussed to death on here and there are lots of
misconceptions about what it really is. I think you've summarized it very well.
An alpha is his own man and strives to do the best that he can. He follows no
one and does not seek approval or validation. He knows his strengths and
accentuates them. He knows his weaknesses and works to improve them. He is not
arrogant nor is he controlling. Instead he is confident, composed, competent
and comfortable.
>On State and Frame:
>
>Having a positive state and a
>strong frame are key. They
>totally feedback on each
>other. If we have a good state
>and a strong and congruent
>frame then nothing can stop
>us. You don't always choose
>your state but you can
>definitely choose the frame
>that allows you to control
>your state. Women are
>constantly testing to see who
>has the stronger frame.
The hotter ones have fucking Ph.D doctoral degrees in shit-testing. Strange how
I never noticed that until my PUA path began.
>AFC's
>just abducate their frame to
>the HB.
And this incongruence is quite transparent to her. Hence the ejection of the HB
or the outright C&B.
>There state is
>overwhelmed by the presence of
>the HB and they can't hardly
>tie there shoes let alone
>control their state and frame.
>Women see this as weak.
They also feel the tension and anxiety that the AFC is experiencing. It makes
THEM uncomfortable. In order to maintain their states, the targets will
girlcode one another and extricate themselves from the tense PU attempt.
They'll go dance or go to the bathroom or will even open an AMOG in the
proximity in hopes that the AFC will take the hint.
>Get
>control of your state by
>sticking to your frame. Again
>your "frame" can be a short
>list of principles and
>affirmations that you keep
>repeating in your head while
>in the field.
>
>On controllng your thoughts:
>
>I've seen a lot of posts
>around here that are along the
>lines of "how can I control my
>negative emotions" and
>"always" think positively. The
>fact is that you can't control
>your thoughts. The more you
>try to control them the more
>they get out of control. This
>is one of the key concepts of
>many of the eastern meditation
>traditions. In order to rid
>yourself of negative
>thoughts/emotions you need to
>experience them and then just
>let them go. Don't try to
>suppress them. Feel them all
>the way through and then just
>let them float away.
>Meditation practice is
>excellent for learning how to
>do this. Plenty of great books
>on this so I won't go into
>details.
>
This might be worth looking into. I still can be my own worst enemy when I'm in
a bad mood or tired. Can you recommend a couple that you've benefited from?
>On resource, value and AFC:
>
>The true definition of an AFC
>is guy who either doesn't
>realize his own value or if he
>does realize his value then he
>gives it away for free. Women
>are attracted to guys that are
>high status and have access to
>resources. Almost everything
>about seduction gets back to
>demonstrating that you are
>high status and you have or
>will have access to resources.
>All methods get back to this
>in some way whether you are
>doing MM or GWM. Women want to
>be with winners in life, not
>losers.
By virtue of our extremely AFC society, women have tremendous power in
selection of a mate...whether it be for a one nighter or for an LTR. If you
can't demonstrate higher value to her you're at a disadvantage against all the
other guys who are competing for her attention. Simply by internalizing "The
Prize" mentality and body language she will see that you have something to
offer her, even if it is just rock solid confidence. Winners are
confident...they know that they can achieve their goals and are willing to
challenge themselves and to improve themselves until that goal is suddenly
before them. Sure it's good to have diverse interests, exciting life
experiences, a boisterous personality...but if you must start somewhere start
with building your confidence and inner game».
>Its an evolutionary
>imperative. The other really
>important key though that
>AFC's don't understand is not
>to give away those resources
>until a women has parted with
>hers. Women's key sexual
>resource is sexual access to
>her body, pure and simple. She
>should not recieve any
>resources from men
>(validation,snuggling, money,
>dinners, time, attention,
>favors) unless there is a
>sexual relationship.
>Unscrupulous women (most of
>them...haha) lure AFC guys
>into investing resources with
>their sexual appeal and then
>never deliver on their end of
>the bargain. As men we have
>been duped into thinking that
>we should abducate our
>resources willingly and hope
>that the chick likes enough to
>fuck us. In fact the guy that
>delivers resources without any
>negotiation whatsoever loses
>their respect. What they
>respect is a guy with high
>value, who knows his value and
>gives away very little until
>he gets what he wants. In
>fact, it turns them on. The
>PUA knows his own value.
>
>That's all my insights for
>now.
>
>Comments/criticism more than
>welcome!!
>
>
>
>
>
>"Recognize that you are 'the
>prize'."
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