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mASF post by "Big Guy"
posted on: USENet: newsgroup, September 9, 1999

Maybe this is obvious and I'm just not seeing it... but is it
supplication when...

You open the door for her?

Push her seat in for her as she sits down?

Light a cigarette/cigar for her (asked or unasked)?

Pick a flower and give it to her (or place it in her hair) while
walking in a park?

Buy a flower from a street vendor and do the same?

Lending her your jacket if she is cold?

These are things that I enjoy doing. But, I'm not sure if I am
expecting any reward for doing them. . I suppose given the
circumstance, it could be seen as supplicating.

Buying something for her kid/s?

Doing her a favor?

Doing her a favor when she has no one else to turn to?

I'm sure there are a ton more what ifs....

IMHO, it all depends on the situation/setting, attitude of the HB and
the attitude of the PUA/AFC.

If the HB is requesting drinks/favors/etc for the purpose of using the
guy, then yes, anyone who allows himself to be used (read: walked on)
like this is definately in a supplcating position. But if the HB is
genuinely in need (for example:needs a flat tire changed on a busy
street); is a PUA really going to take the position of "I'm not going
to "reward" you until there is gain in it for me. Of course not. I
would like to think that a PUA will be altrusitic and generously offer
his services... and of course use this as an opportunity for a PU.
Now... if you take the same situation and put in in a different
setting.... her car has been parked in the driveway for a week with a
flat and she asks you to change it for her... then its back to she's
trying to get you to supplicate to her. Situations and attitudes.

IOW, if she expects and receives something from you at no cost to her,
its supplication.

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:11:06 -0700, Sukinan <roo***t@sp***.org[ ? ]>

>It's supplication if you do it because you think it will get you some
>where or for some reason other than as a reward for something positive.
>It's NOT supplication if you frame it as a reward AND do it BECAUSE YOU
>WANT TO. Not because she asked you or you felt obligated.
>On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Scot Skinner wrote:
>> So you are out at a bar and a woman buys you a drink, if you return
>> the favor, in other words you buy her a drink, is that supplication? I
>> know you guys have the answer for this.
>Ken I

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