mASF post by "Real_Quiet"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, March 3, 2004On 3/22/04 2:13:00 PM, tigger wrote:
>Why “Fools Mate” is bullshit
>
>Here’s my disclaimer: This is
>going to piss some people off,
>and...ummm, yeah that’s it I
>guess.
>
>The term Fool’s Mate is used
>in chess to describe a game
>where a player wins the match
>(gets a checkmate) in very few
>moves, due to poor moves by
>the loser. Mystery I think was
>the one that started using
>this same term to describe
>lays which are fool-proof,
>where a guy gets laid just by
>being in the right place at
>the right time and having a
>dick. In other words, a fool’s
>mate is an easy lay requiring
>no skill on the part of the
>guy--- He gets the checkmate
>(sex) due to the girl’s poor
>moves (no ASD).
>
>What I find so interesting is
>that Mystery and his camp use
>HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of
>little moves. You’ve read
>their posts…you find in them
>AMAZING detail for the
>smallest of things. These guys
>have broken the game down into
>such microscopic, nearing
>nanoscopic, detail that they
>can scrutinize things that
>most PUAs on this board can’t
>even understand. I think it’s
>this reason that people
>worship them: results +
>knowledge beyond one’s own.
>They hear or see or read of
>the incredible results these
>guys get and then they read
>their analytical posts and
>can’t understand them, so they
>automatically ASSUME
>everything written is like the
>holy bible of seduction. The
>hero worshippers are unable to
>critically analyze the
>information, and thus unable
>to apply it correctly. It’s
>like a cult
>following---everyone trying
>ever so hard to master the
>thousands of moves that
>Mystery and TD and others have
>created or discovered. This is
>why the term Fools Mate came
>about---an unwillingness to
>accept that a guy can fuck a
>girl in significantly fewer
>moves and time.
>
>It just can’t make sense can
>it??? How could a normal guy
>who knows nothing about 25
>points, or nothing about neg
>theory, or nothing about
>ignoring the target, or
>nothing about peacocking, or
>nothing about social proof
>theory, or nothing about all
>the tiny intricate details of
>the pickup game that is
>Mystery Magic(tm)and Real
>Social Dynamics(tm)...how
>could this guy ever possibly
>get laid in less time than
>those masters of pickup???
>It’s just not logically
>possible is it??? The only
>answer it can possibly be is
>LUCK! This is what “getting
>lucky” is all about...that old
>term people used to throw
>around, about guys “getting
>lucky,” and just happening to
>run into that one girl who is
>willing to fuck any guy at
>that moment...hmmm, how about
>we just call this a “Fool’s
>Mate”???!!! That will shut up
>the people who question the
>masters. It will reaffirm to
>ourselves that the masters
>really are truly better than
>those guys who can get sex
>quicker. We’ll just lump all
>those lucky guys together and
>say they were all recipients
>of Fool’s Mate.
>
>Okay but what about those
>people who have had many lays
>with girls in well under the 7
>hour mark?
>(by the way, is any lay short
>of 7 hours now considered the
>official cutoff line between a
>Fool’s Mate, and “solid
>game.”)
>
>Let me propose to you
>something that has been
>brought up on this chatboard
>far too many times, but still
>needs repeating---SEXUAL
>STATE, SEXUAL STATE, SEXUAL
>STATE!
>
>Hero worshippers and heros,
>Consider this: What if, just
>what if, a person could do
>with a few seconds of eye
>contact, a few words, the
>right body language, right
>voice tonality, and right
>subcommunication, BYPASS 20 of
>your stacked openers, 15 of
>your routines, 6 of your
>peacocked items, 3 takeaways,
>50 C&F lines, and 2 DHVs???
>Wow, that would be something
>wouldn’t it?
>
>So what we’re saying here is
>that it’s possible for someone
>to do in one minute what it
>took you an hour or two of
>yapping your mouth to do? God,
>this guy must be like a
>professional basketball player
>or tall male model huh? How
>else could that be possible???
>
>I’ll tell you how.
>CALIBRATION. Going back to the
>point about the HUNDREDS or
>THOUSANDS of intricate moves
>these guys use…they are so
>routine based, and
>move-based…they are such
>walking encyclopedias of
>knowledge, that they focus way
>TOO much on the next move, on
>the next routine, on trying to
>“calibrate” the girl’s level
>of attraction, and
>“calibrating” their own value
>and worrying about whether
>they are TOO social proofed or
>too high value that they will
>blow themselves out or
>“calibrating” if she’s ready
>to be isolated or moved into
>rapport gaming. The problem is
>that they miss THE BIG
>CALIBRATION…the one that you
>only see when you are open to
>seeing it, and are fully
>sexually aware. The BIG
>calibration is being able to
>look at a girl (or talk to her
>for a couple sentences) and
>KNOW she wants to be fucked
>that night, or KNOW that she
>is open for a quick seduction.
>It’s not just jumping from HB
>to HB and running the exact
>same shit over and over and
>over. It’s going to the HB
>that you KNOW can give you
>what you want.
>
>One thing that is good about these guys
>is their consistency. It’s a step by
>step program, albeit one with too damn
>many steps. But the bottom line is
>lays...and in doing what they do, they
>may be able to game a girl enough every
>day or two, and spend seven hours to get
>a lay. But then there is my buddy who I
>wrote about last year couldn’t give a
>shit about any kind of takeaways or
>DHVs, etc, and he goes out and gets a
>chick to fuck him about 80% of the
>nights he goes out...and usually within
>a matter of hours, often WITHIN AN HOUR!
>How? Because he can look at the girls in
>a room, take a seat, lean back, drink a
>scotch, exude sex appeal, and wait for
>AIs, look at those girls giving AIs,
>figure out which ones show the most
>promise for easy lays, and then go for
>it. And his main opening topics involve
>sex and relationships.
>
>You can call that Fool’s Mate. I call it
>a different, more efficient style of
>pickup, that is uncomplicated by the
>thousands of little rules and steps that
>exist out there.
>
>And for those of you who REALLY REALLY
>REALLY think there is such thing as a
>fool’s mate…COME ON! How many times have
>you fucked girls by doing absolutely
>nothing??? When I’ve gone out peacocked,
>I’ve had girls offer to give me blowjobs
>while I was just standing there at a bar
>ignoring them, throwing a C&F
>disparaging comments their way every now
>and again…but THAT was the gaming. When
>I’ve used Grandmaster (which all of you
>hero worshippers need to try, just for
>the hell of it, to see what it does to
>girls), I’ve gotten girls ULTRA sexually
>excited in a matter of MINUTES. It’s a
>matter of calibration. If you are
>getting IOIs or AIs from girls, you have
>no reason to take forever with the
>seduction. Get it on! Try some new
>fucking shit of your own. Try making a
>move early. Try kissing a girl AS SOON
>as you can sense some sexual chemistry.
>It takes balls, but it’s worth trying on
>several girls for a day. Quit treating a
>pickup like it’s a little fragile piece
>of invaluable art that you have to treat
>just perfectly and perform exactly the
>right move at the right time, or that
>you have to use “solid game” on. That’s
>(“solid game”) another horrible phrase
>that needs to go---people keep using it
>and then talking about how they couldn’t
>get a number or kiss or lay…I’m sorry to
>tell, ya, but “solid game” should result
>in “solid” RESULTS. Pickups are NOT
>fragile little things!
>
>Now let me say this. I like reading TDs
>and Mystery’s archives and posts, and,
>believe it or not, I try some of the
>stuff they post, and use some of the
>frames they use. And I have nothing
>against them. In fact, quite the
>contrary. The level of discussion here
>would not be where it is without them. I
>appreciate the level of detail they
>bring. My problem is with the dudes that
>kiss their asses. It gets sooo annoying
>to see guys who are admitted virgins and
>KJs defending them or making claims on
>their behalf or advertising for them, or
>just generally being so sucked into
>their world that they cannot possibly
>believe that other methods can work. It
>gets annoying to see even other PUAs who
>are respected defending them and
>swinging from their dicks. For Christ’s
>sake, whatever happened to being your
>own man and thinking for yourselves?
IF I agree with this post Id be a hero worshiper. If I defend it Im in a camp
so either way Im fucked. So let me just say that this is a very objective
post....and it's dead on. Nice job but you got to understand that all the
"gurus" are gonna come running out of the woods on this 1. But your still
hitting a bullseye with this 1
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