mASF post by "esk6969"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, July 7, 2005On 7/13/05 8:23:00 PM, devilishly wrote:
Very good post, especially this part:
>Manipulation is a win-lose
>situation in which one person
>is trying to win and therefore
>tries to make the other must
>lose. But a win-win situation
>is not manipulation because
>obviously everyone wins and no
>one loses. It's called
>Seduction or giving in to what
>everyone wants.
>
>Women like sex and want to
>have lots of it. Sex is
>win-win when both parties are
>considered. So don't give her
>bad sex!
This all goes back to the core idea and mentality from Ross Jeffries: "I make
no excuse for myself or my desires as a man. I move through the world without
apology."
>So it comes down to the
>delivery of the routine. If
>the person giving the routine
>comes off as manipulative
>(supplication involved
>perhaps?) in order to get sex,
>etc.
It ABSOLUTELY is supplication, if the routine is based on the very
well-described difference between manipulation, and seduction, as above. If
it's about trying to manipulate, or "trick" her into the sack, it's a total
supplication because it places *her* as the prize.
OTOH, if it's about seduction, and is truly rooted in the mentality you espouse
above (which is EXACTLY the one you should have), that sex, especially sex with
YOU, is fun for both parties involved, then it NOT supplication.
This all comes down to a matter of context and intent. If you are truly
unapologetic for yourself and your desires, and truly see nothing "wrong" with
the natural, healthy desire for female companionship, then that is going to
come through. And likewise, if you are still subject to erroneous social
conditioning, and the idea that sex is "dirty" and is something that women
don't like, and therefore have to be tricked into (as it violates their
"virtue"), then that will come through as well.
Could be the same exact routine, DHV story, EV tactic (Cube, Strawberry
Fields), etc., but with completely different gestalts (and results).
"Get your validation from your life, not your women." - L&C
"Girls network" is like the Mafia with the difference that they use the tongue
instead of Beretta. - Franco
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