mASF post by "gunwitch"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, June 6, 2002On 6/3/02 4:44:53 PM, beerbonghangover wrote:
>I like this dude's posts as
>they challenge the ideas
>around here.
Thanks
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>>
>> Women when asked "whats SEXY in a
>man"? 9 of ten times say "confidence".
>>
>> Lets look at this. What do they
>mean? Why is "confidence" so SEXY?
>>
>> Cause they wanna fuck RIGHT AWAY,
>LIKE YESTERDAY. They KNOW that they
>want a
>> guy to come up and take em hard and
>fast they just cant come out and say
>it
>> without looking like a whore.
>>
>> BTW when they say they "LIKE a guy
>with a sense of humor" they arent
>saying
>> THAT guy is SEXY they are saying
>they LIKE that guy. THESE women are
>REALLY
>> trying to cover up thier desires.
>>
>> Get this same chik alone after not
>"making a funny" in her presence ONCE
>but
>> instead rubbing her legs and
>thighs every chance you got and youve
>got a
>wet
>> vage on your hands.
>
>OK. But I've come on hard and fast
>before. It doesn't ALWAYS work. Sure on
>easier chicks or UG's. But 8 and 9's
>don't even give you a chance. They'll
>flake, ignore you, go cold, etc..
I havent really found this. Id say ive been doin 7-8s with this tactic, one
8.5 - 9. I dont think they are used to guys coming on like this. Guys get
pretty nervous around these women if youve noticed. Also you HAVE TO ISOLATE
them. Get em into your demons lair and they feel obligated or something. NEVER
try to "punch out a your weight" with a chik in front of people or else shes
thinking "what will THEY think" instead of "i need this wet pussy fucked.
Imagine a chik thats a 5 doing this to you in front of friends VS in her
bedroom. Shedhave a better chance if nobody else was there, yes?
>> Confidence also shows that you
>have SOMETHING of value to hher or else
>oh
>my
>> god "how could you act like that".
>I didnt used to be capable of coming on
>> extremely strong UNTIL i got in
>better shape than almost any guy around
>and
>> realized "im the fuckin shit" "im
>better than other guys" "i DESERVE these
>> chiks to wax my pole".
>>
>> My excellent body of course SHOWS
>her something of value as well, but it
>aint
>> all that, its just enough for ME to
>feel good about moving on em like
>something
>> out of a porn scene. Some of you
>said this when i was on my "loos are all
>that
>> count" rants. Which IS true for me
>or any other guy who needs to look good
>> before getting confident enough to
>not apologize for being pushy towards
>sex.
>
>So are you saying looks count or don't?
I think they do about as much as they count to us. YOU WILL fuk a girl you
wouldnt ordinarily if she gets you alone and coms on strong enough i guarantee.
Thats when they dont.
>> Funny thought: You wanna learn
>good seduction tactics watch pornos.
>They
>get
>> em alone, look at em like "yeah im
>GONNA fuck you" get in close with KINO
>and
>> EC and say something to the effect
>of "lets do some fuckin" before they
>comence
>> to kiss close.
>>
>> Womens definition of confidence
>isnt acting nonchalant or cool and
>collected
>> its TRYING TO ISOLATE AND PLUG EM
>fast and furious. I am starting to think
>that
>> women and men operate almost
>identical given the right circumstance
>and
>> approach.
>>
>> Approach em as some strange
>computer that needs some special
>programming,
>as
>> the convention of this NG and SS
>suggests and BOOM she becomes a
>difficult
>> entity. Approach her like shes a
>horny desperate guy needing to get laid
>and
>> youve got her TRUE nature figured
>out.
>
>SS seems a little convoluted but I think
>this NG stresses kino and different
>ways of inducing excitement in the
>target. I think this is all that matters
>is that they want *excitement*.
Being groped and lusted after by you isnt exciting? I think it is, you're a
man, you have a penis, you can eat pussy, you fuck different from any other guy
with your own techniques right? THATS exciting.
>> ANY other strategy is amateur CRAP
>and is apologetic.
>>
>> I realize that ther is a certain
>entertainment value of studying
>seduction and
>> analyzing its complexities, but
>whats the REAL goal. TO GET LAID ALOT,
>whenever
>> you want by whoever you want.
>
>Are you laying 8-10's? Or are your
>choices 6-7's like some of us?
Ive gotten a few 7-8c one 9, five 6-7s and a 4 (hey i was drinking on
ephedrine a no no fo sho bro)since starting this, im talkin not even a month
ago though. I even use it on 2 LTRS ones a 5 one an 8, we dont do anythng but
fuck anymore, I show up and start up right away.
>> When RJ ad other seduction gurus
>started writing thier stuff they thought
>> "hmmmmm if i tell guys women think
>MUCH differently than they do, theyll
>> believe it when i say guys looks
>dont count at all" "cause if they DO
>think
>> like us then LOOKS are ALL that
>counts and guys know this".
>>
>> Thing is they DO think like us and
>this is why LOOKS dont count.
>
>What?
I mean these guys who write this stuff say looks ont count for the most
complicated (brain wiing, soial conditioning based) reasons on the planet when
in reality just about anyone will fuck anyone if no one will find out. Simple
as that.
>> How many of
>> you if isolated with a chik thats
>say a 5 looks wise(little fat, kinda
>ugly
>> face, ok hair or something) whos
>doing everything she can to get your
>pants off
>> and suck your cock are gonna say to
>yourself "WHOA shes not good enough
>> looking?" PLEASE we'd ALL fuck her.
>
>I've had this happen many times and
>didn't fuck them. Now I have many
>buddies who have but it's just not going
>to happen with me. Maybe like two
>6's can have me at once or something.
What are you fuckin prince of the moon, ya stuck up bastard j/k. No really
though of curse some people have AMAZING high standards but not most especially
women who rarely get an oportunity to be a whore in private with a stranger.
"sex with a stranger" is 7 of 10 womens biggest unfullfilled fantasy.
>> Women are the same. Diference is we
>pump
>> and dump, while women are SOOOO
>conditioned they try to make any ugly
>fuck
>they
>> happen to bang their LTR for fear
>of being a "slut who has ONS with ugly
>guys".
>> NOPE at that point you become
>"special" in some way to her that she
>will
>make
>> up for you. Loving, deep, caring,
>good in bed, funny, intelligent blah
>blah bla
>> even if you arent.
>
>Thing is some of us are more talented,
>intelligent, funny, outgoing, etc..
>You're telling me this doesn't get us
>anywhere? I mean you have to be smart
>in some way to be a smart ass. And smart
>asses will get more. Actually I've
>gotten more play since dumbing down my
>game so maybe you have something
>here.
Totally. Use whatever YOU are an expert in as an example, with me its fighting
and martial arts, the simplist tactics delivered with the most commitment and
power work best despite what youve see in action movies. Im sure whatever field
you are an expert in was complicated at first UNTIL you realized the "simple"
way of doing it that only experts know. Its like most computer glitches can be
fixed easiest by turning the computer off and restarting it. Some guys sit on
the phone with the service dept all day instead.
>> Thing is this is hard to sell and
>isnt as enthralling or entertaining as
>doing
>> mental exercises and 12 hour
>seminar discussions on the subject.
>
>I agree and don't care for being
>hypnotized. Feeling good about yourself
>comes from results.
True.
>> Do you wanna get laid? THEN try to
>fuck em. Simple as that. Dont try to
>> demonstrate value, or convince her
>or make her imagine it, just get em
>alone
>> and try to fuck em.
>
>What about social proof? I KNOW this
>shit is important. And playing the
>girls off one another. And making your
>life sound really exciting? And
>having something unique that she wants
>to know more about. You're telling us
>this stuff means nothing?
Not in this strategy it doesnt seem to yet. Maybe i got a hot streak goin but
i dont believe in luck. I know it goes against the nor in this forum but thes
things dont seem to matter when you come on strong enough.
>> We would all be better off trying
>to find a model or how to isolate women
>and
>> how to convey extreme sexual
>interest and aggression than what we do
>at
>this
>> point.
>
>I agree. Let us know what you're coming
>up with. I'll put my two cents in.
>Like I grab their wrist and bring them
>in another room with me. Kino, kino,
>etc.. But I knew I was in with these
>6's. But you're telling me I can *bam*
>do this with a 9 and get laid tonight?
Id say yes. Maybe if you are hideous then no, but if you are even just a
little fat or have a big nose or something i bet you can go out and get
something. If you snub your nose at less than a six you might just be
attractive enough. If you are totally fuckedup looking trying to break a dry
spell go for even a 7 or something.
>> THIS is what ive learned so far
>with this strategy
>>
>> I'VE found "im having a barbecue
>later wanna come back to my place" WHILE
>im
>> already kinoing and ECing her up
>close and personal works well at GYM and
>on
>> street. While "Lets save a little
>money and have some drinks back at my
>place"
>> WHILE already KINOing and ECing her
>up close and maybe already having kiss
>> closed her works at the bar. If not
>ill NEXT, but havent had to yet.
>
>You're always getting laid with this?
>Like 100%?
Since 2-3 weeks ago. Hasnt failed yet, ill report if it does. Ithought it was
just a hot streak or that my new body was doing it but i started to see the
pattern of what i was doing naturaly without any "game" being done on purpose.
>> You know youve got a horny
>pushover on your hands when as you KINO
>and EC
>them
>> right up close they look down and
>smile and giggle alot.
>>
>> About the best opener on street is
>standard introdutions, sneaking into
>KINO
>> slowly during short conversation
>followed by "i like you alot i wanna
>know
>you
>> better" with blatat kino and HUNGRY
>EC. Follwed by attempt to isolate.
>>
>> Sounds scary to some of you im
>sure but it works. MY friends have all
>told me
>> i look fuckin NUTTS doin this shit
>so blatant and fast on the street but
>its
>> like i tell them "whats she gonna
>do hit me with her purse or tell store
>> security on me lol"
>>
>> GYM opener is roughly same only
>with GYM chat instead of "from round
>here"
>> type of shit.
>>
>> AT the bar i hardly even talk, as
>talking go me really nowhere most times
>at
>> the bar anyway. THOSE GIRLS ARE
>THERE TO FUCK FOR SURE. They just never
>get to
>> caue they got some asshole TALKING
>to em instead of trying to fuck em. Get
>em
>> on the dance floor to get KINO and
>EC going then hit em with the "have
>some
>> drinks back at my place"
>>
>> FUCKIN JAMES BOND STYLE NIGGA!
>
>Because of this post I'm going to be
>closing earlier from now on, otherwise
>Gunwitch will already be having her in
>the bathroom stall.
>
>beerbonghangover
>
>
Key is to start closing as SOON as you meet em IMO. Caveman style baby.
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