The Top Pickup Artist Forum On The Internet: Fast Seduction 101

mASF post by "hotlab"
posted on: alt.seduction.relationships, March 3, 2005

On 3/31/05 9:32:00 AM, esk6969 wrote:
>On 3/31/05 6:10:00 AM, hotlab wrote:
>>On 3/30/05 11:24:00 AM, zarathustra_fi
>>wrote:
>>>
>>>Solution: don't buy into her frame. DO
>>>WHAT YOU WANT and TELL HER IT PLAIN.
>>>
>>
>>That would be a poor partnership... more
>>like a master-slave relationship... but
>>to each his own.
>
>That's not how I took it. It's been
>fairly widely agreed, at least here on
>ASF, that the male must always maintain
>the dominant role in the relationship.

Yes, that's true... but it is a shortcut for those who aren't able to evaluate
the dynamics of an interaction with a woman in real-time. The shortcut works in
more cases than it doesn't work. This is it's benefit... it's cost is that in
some cases it doesn't work at all which leaves you absolutely clueless. And
chances are that it doesn't work with the more confident, non-submissive women.

Anyway here's a better way to evaluate an adequate reaction in any given
situation, one that requires a little more work on your part.

Everybody's actions in a given situation are determined by evaluating the pain
and pleasure resulting from this actions, both long- and short-term. This
evaluation is very personal and based on beliefs about what is considered to be
painful or pleasurable... it is based on personal values.

So if a woman doesn't want to fuck you it's that simple that in this moment she
holds some beliefs which tell her that fucking you will be more painful than
pleasurable. If you would know her beliefs you could anticipate, weaken or
change them to your advantage.

Also it is possible that being dominated is more painful than pleasurable for a
woman. And of course being dominated might also be more pleasurable for her.
This is the reason why all these shortcuts propagated here only work
statistically, but not in a special situation with a special woman.

And one of the most important points is:

What do you want? Is it pleasurable for you to dominate a woman for your whole
life? Then go for it.

For me it is not. I prefer companionship in addition to sexual ecstasy and I
got such a woman.

Knowing what is pleasurable or painful to her requires listening to her, going
into her frame to a degree or "Entering her spirit" as Robert Greene, author of
"Art of Seduction" puts it. You have to use your perception.

Awareness is true power that you can use to lead her without overtly
demonstrating dominance.

I'm interacting with a woman right now that I will marry soon. The prospect of
this marriage will be painful for her, because she will loose contact to
family, friends and her culture. But it also will be pleasurable for her
because of all the illusions she has about it. This is like a scale which at
present is tipped into my favour. But at any moment the scale could tip to the
other side... I can't even control this, because other people that influence
her are involved. The only possibility I have is to influence her constantly
using my awareness of what is painful for her and what gives her pleasure.

hotlab