mASF post by "rocker44"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, December 12, 2004

The DYD outer game stuff for the most part assumes that the guys don’t have the
skillset to project value onto themselves around women. Most of his techniques
use creative ways to get around this fact like asking chicks for their emails
after 2 minutes before he can screw anything up and strategically conveying
value over a few emails. He's also a big fan of internet personals and IM
sarging. This kind of thing is frowned upon here on ASF because its not the
most efficient way. This is alt.seduction.FAST after all, not
alt.seduction.after_three_weeks_of_emails. DYD is basically a way to get loser
guys laid right now and it's not going to turn you into a PUA.

Personally I'm not a big fan of teaching new guys who are entirely socially
un-calibrated C&F. It's very touchy and its almost and art form and its easy to
get laid without it. It's taken me 3 years now to calibrate it and become fully
congruent with it.

C&F and C&P done properly should be very indirect. Its like Deangelo teaches,
treat her like your bratty little sister. You keep this up until you're getting
a lot of IOIs from her, then you qualify her and move into rapport just like
any other pickup. Its modeled after naturals in the field, its just toying
around with girls. Its like if you had a girlfriend and three fuck buddies who
were all HB9s at home and honestly didn't care at all about this girl in front
of you, how would you treat her when she acted interested in you? That's what
C&F is about.