mASF post by "ox"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, June 6, 2005

On 6/3/05 11:32:00 AM, formhandle wrote:
>Dimitri wrote:
>
>>...
>
>This could have been a good
>thread but somehow got turned
>into a discussion about type
>of game in the context of
>teaching versus an overall
>look at the process.
>
>Frankly, all you guys (I'm not
>singling you out Dimitri, my
>focus is broad) who work to
>get paid teaching PU to others
>can talk and talk and talk
>endlessly about how good your
>skills are or how good your
>teaching methods are but I
>lost count how many times my
>thoughts drift to "OK OK
>you've got to market yourself,
>you've got a business, yadda
>yadda, but the people I
>actually want to hear from in
>this context (of biz promo)
>are guys who've taken your
>program who (before it) were
>barely getting laid or not at
>all and then starting actually
>getting laid more & on their
>terms with the kind of girls
>they like." In terms of
>placing value on yourselves,
>teaching, promoting, etc, it's
>like automobile commercials.
>Toyota doesn't make
>commercials with the message
>"Our cars suck". So it's like
>empty content to everyone when
>the goal is self-promotion.
>Let your students do the
>talking in that regard. I
>want to hear from them - and I
>don't mean the guys who
>finished a program just a week
>prior and wants to post his
>experience and we never hear
>from him again. I mean guys
>who had real issues before in
>terms of social skill or PU
>ability and went through your
>programs and had a real
>improvement that lasted and
>how he was able to do that.
>
>What I hope you guys would
>desire to talk about, like
>anyone else on the site, is
>just stuff you do yourself in
>the field and there is no
>point in saying "My way of
>doing things is the right way,
>all others be damned." Every
>time I read that I think the
>person posting is full of
>himself. His method may be
>great but nobody has all the
>answers.
>
>I could subtract all the "this
>way is better than that" posts
>from mASF and the forum would
>not lose anything valuable.
>
>Seriously, I would encourage
>people to skim the Reviews
>board and take a look at lost
>of threads and then think "OK,
>so many reviews of all these
>guys, but how many of the
>people who reviewed these guys
>had problems before and are
>now getting laid regularly on
>their terms?" Seriously - I
>encourage people to dig
>through the review board to
>find guys who've had just that
>kind of improvement.

i do. i was getting laid before the boot camp with loverboy and i am getting
laid more consistantly now...

>
>I can barely find any. If
>they are out there, they're
>not sharing what happened to
>them and that is exactly the
>kind of people I am interested
>in hearing from.

probably busy getting laid or something. for me it is a pain in the ass to
write fr/lrīs here. i take about an hour and a half to write them. i do it for
the clarification of ideas, the sarges and the motivation from the
board(sometimes flame).

And I don't
>want to hear "Before I took
>this I sucked, now I rock"

yeah. you are gonna hear it from me. i rock now. i have been pulling ass
everyweek after the boot camp with lb. i dont know how it happened. i only know
it is happening. it is incredible even for me. it turned out during the
bootcamp that my tonality was off. i fixed that. my inner game was off after
rejections. i fixed that. a huge inner game improvement was to see "how it is
done" as oposed to "reading how it is done". i believe you dont get that from
the board. kind of a "see it to believe it". now when i read archives i get
more depths because i understand what the puas are talking about.
i didnt suck before the bootcamp with lb. but i am way better now. i
specifically asked him to teach me indirect and group approaches. he only did
what i asked him to do. fair enough. Paid or not paid this pu teachers here are
doing a service for money. i believe students can get better after a bootcamp.
i am sure most lack the consistency to try this night after night. thatīs why
they dont get results.
bootcamps help the students. no question about it. to say the contrary, it is
absurd.

, I
>want to hear exactly what
>changes the guy made, the kind
>of behavior he adjusted, the
>process he went through, his
>experiences, and ultimately
>the path he went through that
>incited the change both inside
>& outside which got results
>for him.
As i type this one of my fbīs did my shopping and clean my house after i fucked
her last night...well. this is the kind of results we want....and pay for.
true i would like hotter girls. who doesnīt? i lay girls between 5-8 range. but
again as an afc i couldnt even approach a fattie.




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