mASF post by "giordino"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, May 5, 2005

On 5/2/05 10:53:00 AM, Design wrote:
>Our first instinct might be to
>label these failures of
>calibration. In some cases,
>that's true. More commonly,
>these are errors of KNOWLEDGE.

100% Agree.

>Let's take a basic basic
>example. Openers. How many
>people here really understand
>the distinction between direct
>and indirect openers? How
>many people really understand
>the relationship between
>direct and indirect openers
>and opinion openers? (Here's
>a tip: if you think opinion
>openers are necessarily
>indirect, you're wrong.) How
>many people really understand
>the reasoning behind going in
>indirect?

Not many.

Direct = Assuming value and instantly conveying interest in the girl off the
opener. Even so, in my experience, you need to manufacture an opportunity for
the girl to impress you, so you can SOI for a reason other then the way she
looks. This is because to be congruent with being high value, you CANNOT convey
that you are easily impressed.

Indirect = Building value through a "spontaneous" interaction in which the girl
gets interested in you, then you in her. Complicated pre-interaction plan
mapped out to allow for isolation once target becomes interested. Difficult to
learn, but highly effective.

Opinion openers = Both direct OR indirect.

If you roll in totally serious and say "excuse me guys, I need to ask you
something very serious, it's important that you think about this question
before you respond, because your and my safety is at stake... flossing - do
you floss before you brush, or brush before you floss?" This is a direct
opinion opener. The girls KNOW why you are talking to them=> you conveyed
DIRECT interest in them with your obvious approach.

Conversely, "who lies more" (if it's properly rooted and delivered) is an
INDIRECT opinion opener because the girls believe you are actually interested
in what they think. The reason for the conversation is because you need A
females opinion. You aren't neccesarily hitting on HER/THEM.

Of course, negs are congruent reinforcement for your disinterest during a
indirect opener => in a club the girls will regard your approach as direct no
matter what you say. I often use Style's "hey, cool hair, is it real?" as a
club opener for this very reason.

At the end of the day, as long as your shit is ISP (implicitly social proofed)
AND congruent from start to finnish, you will be successful FAR more then most
men.

>If you can't (correctly)
>answer these questions, you
>won't be able to use the
>tools.
>
>Or how about another basic
>concept: Cocky & Funny. What
>is C&F? How is it distinct
>from playful teasing? What is
>its relationship to the three
>classifications of rapport?
>Why is the humor element so
>important? What is it meant
>to accomplish?

Please expand.

I can answer some of these, however I am curious to know why the humor element
is important. Something to do with hormonal release and humans forming bonds I
suspect?

>If you can't (correctly)
>answer these questions, you
>won't be able to use the
>tools.
>
>I anticipate a backlash from
>the minimalists among us.
>Look, if you want to just be
>alpha and sex girls, fine by
>me. But if you use outer game
>tools and tactics and you're
>finding that you're not
>getting the results you want,
>take some time to think about
>whether you really understand
>the tools you're using.
>
>Design
>
>--
>Life By Design
>http://designexists.blogspot.c
>om

giordino