mASF post by "kr0d"
posted on: mASF forum: Field Reports Discussion, July 7, 2005

On 7/17/05 2:46:00 AM, Iron_Rinn wrote:
>
>I've got another mistake to
>learn from.
>Suggestions will be welcomed.
>
>I was at a bar downtown,
>chilling w/ a couple buddies,
>when I noticed a 2-set. HB 8
>with a UG. I cold approached
>directly and moved quickly
>into a couple routines I’ve
>stacked. I directed most of
>my attention to the UG in an
>attempt to get the target’s
>attention and create some
>jealousy. Unfortunately, the
>UG locked onto me and –
>although she may have been
>attracted to me – the HB
>started to back off.

lol see what happens when you
give your attention to UGs like that
Rather leave it to a wingman.
Did you use any negs on Hb8?

I could
>sense that the more I tried
>for HB’s attention, the more
>distant she became and the
>more UG locked in.
>Unfortunately by the time I
>reached a certain point there
>were no positive returns for
>focusing attention on the UG.

Maybe if you were more socially proofed
a bit more she might have paid attention to you.
Looking at you as the prize.
But by you fighting to get her attention
you demonstrated low status. Making her the prize.

>
>It was around this time that
>the HB and UG got together and
>started giggling about a
>couple guys they saw. They
>said they really wanted to
>talk to one of the guys in
>particular but were too shy.
>They pointed him out to me, he
>was a good looking guy but –
>from afar – didn’t seem to
>have any game. They kept on
>talking about how cute he was
>and how much they wanted to
>meet him.
>

I've had this happen to me, it's a chick test
to see how you react, more then likely you failed.
Your body language was more low status. I can put
money on it. When they said that, you thought in your
head hmm what the hell? what do i do now?



>Oh, crap. What the hell do I
>do?
>

>Here is where I made my
>mistake:
>
>I figured that if I tried to
>ignore their comments or argue
>with them, I’d come off as
>“try-hard”. Instead I figured
>I’d take a gamble on the guy’s
>lack of game. I said I’d
>introduce them, but the HB
>would have to buy me a beer.
>She jumped at the suggestion.
>I figured that the guy would
>blow himself out of the set
>and I’d come off as higher
>status for having the
>confidence to introduce them.

Man you set the guy right up for the pickup
you clearly gave away your power on that 1.
You weren't getting the girls attention, yet
you introduce her to the guy she's got her eyes on.


>
>No such luck.
>
>I introduced the HB and the UG
>to the guy and his friend. He
>was very nice to me and seemed
>rather shy. The HB was about
>to buy me my beer, but instead
>he volunteered to buy it for
>me and we all obliged. The
>two of them went to the bar to
>buy my beer as I leaned back
>smugly against the wall
>awaiting my drink.
>Unfortunately, by the time the
>two of them returned they had
>hit it off fairly well. I
>talked with the two of them
>and felt that I was getting
>some IOI’s from the HB. I
>tried to blow the guy out of
>the water but it clearly
>wasn’t working. The more I
>tried to blow him out, the
>better he looked. The more I
>laid back, the more he moved
>in.

BIg mistake was to wait around?
I would have more then likely
approached another set, so when hb8
comes rolling back she would see
all those others girls giggling around me ;]

>
>The guy left to go to the
>restroom, and I gave it a
>final shot. I told the HB
>that I was going to find out
>what she was really like by
>running the cube. She was
>into the idea. ½ way through
>the cube, the guy returned
>and, as I was giving her the
>interpretation, the dynamics
>shifted to my explaining the
>interpretation to both the
>girl and the guy. I started
>to feel like the two of them
>were getting closer together
>and I was just providing their
>entertainment.

I think you were trying overly to hard
to get this girls attention, rather the
other guy was laying back, and you were
still trying to win her attention over.

Women can see this.



>
>I told them I was going to
>hang with my friends for a
>while. (Figured my absence
>may increase HB’s interest in
>me.) I returned 15 minutes
>later to find them making out
>in the corner of the bar.
>

You probably raised her buying temperature,
where he more then likely had control of the frame.

Your absence only made it easier for the guy to blow
you out. He could have probably said this.

Guy:Yea this guy's strange, thank god he gone.
HB8:Yea you're right.

The guy tooled you man.
You seemed to become his friend.
Remember to be the alpha male.

>Lessons learned:
>
>-This learning process is a
>hell of a lot of work. By
>studying my setbacks I can
>improve my skills.
>-I ejected too early. This is
>a major sticking point for me.
>I come from a background of
>low self esteem so at the
>first sign of perceived
>disinterest from the girl, I
>leave. I need to practice
>staying in the set until I am
>getting laid or am forcibly
>removed (hopefully the former)
>-Do not bring OTHER GUYS into
>the set. It will only hurt my
>cause.
>-If another guy takes over my
>set, take more active steps to
>get rid of him.
>
>Question:
>
>What is a better way to deal
>with this situation - where
>the target expresses interest
>in a random guy in the bar?

Answer:
Become socially proofed!
Walk into the bar with a girl
in your hands. So every1 else
sees this. Try it and watch
how other girls give you SOI s